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In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.

(A) population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
(B) population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
(C) population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
(D) population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
(E) population, compared with 20 percent in 2000

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/07/us/foreign-born-in-us-at-record-high.html

While the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, their percentage in the population is not. In the 1910 census, that group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000, a spokesman for the Census Bureau said.

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I will rather totally ignore this ‘compared with’ and ‘compared to’ stuff as I understand that the GMAT is not much concerned with this trivial. But in this topic, the issue is essentially one of comparison. Let us see.

In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000. ( ideally this isn't a very perfect topic, with a comma conjugating two independent clauses)

A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000 ........ Wrong logic;
When did the comparison occur? In 1910 or in 2000? The text suggests that the comparison occurred in 1910, some 90 years earlier about something that is going to happen in 2000. What kind of logic is this?


B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent …Wrong comparison…comparing a percentage to a year

C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000. …wrong … The group did the comparing in 1910 about something that is going to happen in 2000


D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent ….. Wrong comparison; comparing a year with a percent.

E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000. Right choice; the comparison occurs in 2000

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In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.

A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000


I will provide OA later on. pls pm me if I forget about it.

IMO B,

A - Incorrect because 'When Compared to' is Unidiomatic.
C - Incorrect because 'It' does not have a clear antecedent ( 'It' could refer to population or group )
D - Incorrect comparison between 'Population in 1910' and '20 Percent'
E - Incorrect comparison between 'Population in 1910' and '20 Percent'

B - Correctly maintains the comparison i.e Population of the group in 1910 is compared to Population of the group in 2000. Additionally 'when' is correctly used to modify a Time Period (i.e year 2000 )
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Here the percentage of the population in 1910 is compared with a percentage in 2000 and hence the use of compared with rather than compared to. Eliminate A and B.

In C, the group seems to be comparing, not the intended purpose of the passage, while in D, year 2000 is being compared with a percentage

E is the best
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Answer choice A and B are out as I prefer compare with.
Compared X to Y: Compare to stresses similarities.
Compared X with Y: Compare to stress differences.

C and D are out because they can be inferred to modify population.
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I really doubt that the gmat will EVER require the distinction between "compare to" and "compare with" to eliminate a wrong answer.

OA is E.

A- when is wrong here
B - unnecessary use of 'it'
C - this is a COMMA + -ING modifier.
these modifiers modify the ENTIRE PRECEDING CLAUSE
D - like/unlike used to compare noun/noun phrase, also, the preposition "with" isn't parallel to anything.

E- nice and parallel in 1910 ...in 2000
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I think its more a matter of writing style than a grammar 'rule'. If you search on the net you will find many different explanations - just goes to show that there may be no universal standard.

But check this out - this follows "with" for differences; "to" for resemblance

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/compare ... ared-with/
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In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.

A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000


First, GMAT does not make any distinction between "comprared to" and "compared with", as such. So we cannot make any decision based on those differences.

Second if we check the construction is (simplified):
while the number of residents is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the

population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.
A) wrong. This group made up 35 percent when compared to 20 percent in 2000. We should have used compared to directly. Check the following, though not the best construction.
The number of Asians in my class [ now ]make up 50% of the class compared to 10% of the class two years back.

population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
B)wrong. Here the comma is unnecessary. Also it attempts to compare group (in terms of percentage of population) with year (2000). So not a clean construction.
this group made up 35 percent of the population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent

population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
C) wrong. Here comparing is not a gerund (not used as a noun) but a participle. Also as it is followed by comma it would try to modify the whole preceding clause. So that is wrong.

population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
D) Wrong. First wrong comparison, second improper use of like.
this group made up 35 percent of the population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent

E) Correct.

this group made up 35 percent of the population, compared with 20 percent in 2000.
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Compare to is Unidiomatic.

Correct Idiom is compared with.

However do not use "compare to" vs. "compare with" to eliminate answer choices. instead, find some other criterion on which to make the decision.

lets us look at A-
A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000

the "when" here kills this answer choice.

remember that you have to read very literally.
if you read the "when" literally, then you'd be saying that the 1910 immigrant group made up 35% of the population WHEN THEY WERE COMPARED to 20 percent (of something we haven't even specified) in 2000. of course, this makes no literal sense whatsoever.


B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent

nothing to which the pronoun "it" can refer.


C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000

this is a COMMA + -ING modifier.
these modifiers modify the ENTIRE PRECEDING CLAUSE, and the verbal (in this case "comparing") is attributed to the subject of the preceding clause.
therefore, according to this answer choice, "this group" actually compared "it" (we're not sure what "it" is) with 20 percent - and did so in 2000 (even though they were in 1910).



D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent

"unlike 2000" suggests that there is a direct comparison between "this group" (the subject of the preceding sentence) and the year 2000. that's a nonparallel comparison.
also, the preposition "with" isn't parallel to anything.



E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000

valid comparison between two percentages.

note the parallel constructions "in 1910" and "in 2000", and also note the lack of the fatal alterations of meaning that exist in (a) and (c).

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In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.
A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000

Please can some explain how to recognize the difference between compare to and compare with and also point some more questions of this type on the forum....would be of great help. Thanks.


Penn State says this:
To “compare to” is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially different natures:

In appearance, ripples in ocean water can be compared to frosting spread on a cake.

To “compare with” is to suggest resemblances between things that have essentially similar natures:

Despite their different capacities, RAM can be compared with ROM in that both involve memory storage.

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IN A and B, "when compared..." and " as compared..." are adverb clauses, which maybe are ellipsised. we are comparing noun phrases "35 percent..." with "20 percent..." , so the use of adverb clauses are not suitable.

"when compared" and "as compared" are nearly alway wrong on gmat because they are not idiomatic.

whenever we see comparision, ask ourself " we are comparing nouns or verbs". this asking help us realize the compared elements.

"compared with/to..."is adjective phrase and must refer to a noun. "compared to/with..." can be far from the noun modified though this farness is not prefered. however, this farness is not wrong automatically. we can see this farness in many OA in many questions in og and gmatprep
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Explanation for choice E

In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.

A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
wrong idiom "when compared to"

B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
wrong idiom "as compared to"

C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
population cannot do the action of comparing. "Comparing ..." incorrectly modifies the preceding clause

D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
compare a percentage to year

E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000
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In the United States, while the number of foreign-born residents and their children is higher than ever, the percentage of the population they represent is not, in 1910 this group made up 35 percent of the population when compared to 20 percent in 2000.

A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000
B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent
C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000
D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent
E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000


Imo E

Split 1: Compared to VS compared with
Compared with is used to compare two similar things .
Compared to is used to show similarity between two dissimilar things


A use of " when "is wrong as it is used to modify time .
B use of when is wrong and population is compared to 2000
C present participle modifier "comparing" incorrectly modified the entire clause and does not have correct comparison.
D population is compared with 2000 use prepositional phrase starting "with" seem to suggest that there was additional population.
E correct
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A. population when compared to 20 percent in 2000 => when compared to shows its true only when compared
B. population as compared to 2000, when it was 20 percent=> year is compared - as compared to is undesirable
C. population, comparing it with 20 percent in 2000 => inocrrect usage of ,ing modifier
D. population, unlike 2000, with 20 percent=> unlike used incorrectly, with 20% non idiomatic
E. population, compared with 20 percent in 2000=> perfect
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Hello GMATNinja
Request you opinion here with respect to compared with, used to compare two similar things and
Compared to, used to show similarity between two dissimilar things.
Can i reject answer based on this ?
Also, i read somewhere that When compared to/with are incorrect idiomatically.
Although i do remember this rule, i am hesitant in rejecting choices based on this.
can you please clarify ?
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