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# John: You told me once that no United States citizen who supports

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A. Extreme Decision. Wrong
B. Good choice, let's keep going.
C. He does challenge John's position
D. Its hard to pin point any statement, at best we can say the logic derived in incorrect
E. Extreme Decision. Wrong

(B) is the only relevant option and is our answer.

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John: You told me once that no United States citizen who supports union labor should buy an imported car. Yet you are buying an Alma. Since Alma is one of the biggest makers of imports, I infer that you no longer support unions.

jhon conclude that harry no longer supports the union because
Harry is buying alma and alma is one of the biggest makers of imports
by saying this John assumes that the car that harry is buying is imported (not made is united states)

Harry: I still support labor unions. Even though Alma is a foreign car company, the car I am buying, the Alma Deluxe, is designed, engineered, and manufactured in the United States.

in this statement, harry refutes that assumption by saying the car he is buying is made in the United States

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Harry's method of defending his purchase of an Alma is to

A. disown the principle he formerly held - No one disowned any principle here

B. show that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption - Because Alma is a large importer, John assumed that Harry was buying an imported car from Alma. This assumption is false.
Just because Alma is an importer, it is not necessary that the car that Harry is buying is also imported. Harry points out this mistake in assumption

C. contradict John's conclusion without challenging John's reasoning in drawing that conclusion - Harry does challenge John's reason by challenging his assumption.

D. point out that one of the statements John makes in support of his argument is false - Harry did not falsify any statement that John said. John did not specifically say that Harry was buying an imported car. John simply assumed that Harry was buying an imported car from Alma because Alma is a huge importer.

E. claim that his is a special case in which the rule need not apply - No exceptions or special cases were pointed out. Harry only negated John's assumption.
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Can somebody please explain why E is wrong? The explanations stated above weren't much convincing since he mentions a spacial case might not necessarily applies for John's assertion. Thanks
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Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.
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Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.

1). What assumption do you think John himself has stated? Make sure you understand what the GMAT means by the word 'assumption.' The 'assumption' of an argument is an UNSTATED premise that MUST BE TRUE for the argument to 'hold.' If an assumption of an argument is false, the argument basically falls apart.

2). Harry does disagree with John's conclusion, but does challenge John's reasoning.

Why does John think Harry doesn't support unions? Why does Harry respond the way he does?
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ReedArnoldMPREP wrote:
Tanchat wrote:
Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.

1). What assumption do you think John himself has stated? Make sure you understand what the GMAT means by the word 'assumption.' The 'assumption' of an argument is an UNSTATED premise that MUST BE TRUE for the argument to 'hold.' If an assumption of an argument is false, the argument basically falls apart.

2). Harry does disagree with John's conclusion, but does challenge John's reasoning.

Why does John think Harry doesn't support unions? Why does Harry respond the way he does?

1) Then, John doesn’t provide an Assumption, right? Then, why B told “a false unstated assumption”? If Assumption is not stated, why it’s false

2) because John assumes that the car is imported and Harry buys it. Then, John infers (concludes) that Harry is no longer support unions.
Harry contradicts the John’s conclusion that Harry still supports union because he buys the car designed and manufactured in US

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Tanchat wrote:
ReedArnoldMPREP wrote:
Tanchat wrote:
Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.

1). What assumption do you think John himself has stated? Make sure you understand what the GMAT means by the word 'assumption.' The 'assumption' of an argument is an UNSTATED premise that MUST BE TRUE for the argument to 'hold.' If an assumption of an argument is false, the argument basically falls apart.

2). Harry does disagree with John's conclusion, but does challenge John's reasoning.

Why does John think Harry doesn't support unions? Why does Harry respond the way he does?

1) Then, John doesn’t provide an Assumption, right? Then, why B told “a false unstated assumption”? If Assumption is not stated, why it’s false

2) because John assumes that the car is imported and Harry buys it. Then, John infers (concludes) that Harry is no longer support unions.
Harry contradicts the John’s conclusion that Harry still supports union because he buys the car designed and manufactured in US

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Notice that you yourself wrote: ' because John assumes that the car is imported.'

John doesn't 'provide' the assumption, he *makes* the assumption. Harry (and you) have realized John is *assuming* the car is imported (without stating that he is assuming that). Harry points out that this unstated assumption is false--the car is in fact not imported; it is made in the United States.
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ReedArnoldMPREP wrote:
Tanchat wrote:
Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.

1). What assumption do you think John himself has stated? Make sure you understand what the GMAT means by the word 'assumption.' The 'assumption' of an argument is an UNSTATED premise that MUST BE TRUE for the argument to 'hold.' If an assumption of an argument is false, the argument basically falls apart.

2). Harry does disagree with John's conclusion, but does challenge John's reasoning.

Why does John think Harry doesn't support unions? Why does Harry respond the way he does?

ReedArnoldMPREP Hello expert, I cannot understand why C is wrong. I think the two persons just have a disagreement of the definition about “makers of imports” VS “imported car”; but this has nothing to do with John’s reasoning. Could you explain further? Thanks
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Mavisdu1017 wrote:
ReedArnoldMPREP wrote:
Tanchat wrote:
Dear expert,

I have 2 questions

1) what does a false unstated assumption? John literally stated the assumption. Why unstated assumption is correct?

2) Why is C incorrect? John inter that Harry is no longer support unions. < This is the conclusion, isn't it? And Harry does disagree John's conclusion.

1). What assumption do you think John himself has stated? Make sure you understand what the GMAT means by the word 'assumption.' The 'assumption' of an argument is an UNSTATED premise that MUST BE TRUE for the argument to 'hold.' If an assumption of an argument is false, the argument basically falls apart.

2). Harry does disagree with John's conclusion, but does challenge John's reasoning.

Why does John think Harry doesn't support unions? Why does Harry respond the way he does?

ReedArnoldMPREP Hello expert, I cannot understand why C is wrong. I think the two persons just have a disagreement of the definition about “makers of imports” VS “imported car”; but this has nothing to do with John’s reasoning. Could you explain further? Thanks

It's not a disagreement over definitions, it's about whether or not Harry is buying a car that has been imported. John is assuming that because Alma is one of the "biggest makers of imports," that the Alma-car Harry is buying must be imported. There's no disagreement on the definitions of "makers of imports" or "imported car." John is assuming that a car bought from a company that 'makes a lot of imports' must be an 'imported car.' Harry points out that the car he is buying from Alma is *not* an imported, something John was clearly assuming.

C is wrong because Harry does challenge John's reasoning. John reasons that 'because you're buying from Alma, one of the largest makers of imported cars, you don't support unions.' Harry is challenging that reasoning--"I am buying from Alma, but I'm not buying an imported car. You are assuming that since I'm buying from Alma, I'm buying an imported car."
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Hi experts,

I realize that this question is discussed in great length on this form, and I understand why Choice B is correct. Not to overthink this, but isn't John still supporting a company does not support union labor, even if his particular car is made in the United States?

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Hi experts,

I realize that this question is discussed in great length on this form, and I understand why Choice B is correct. Not to overthink this, but isn't John still supporting a company does not support union labor, even if his particular car is made in the United States?

It's true that the profits derived from Harry's purchase may go to a company that doesn't support union labor, but really, what company does support union labor? Unions support union labor, not companies.

Thus, the point isn't about whether the company that manufactures the car supports union labor. The point is about whether Harry supported union labor. Regardless of what the company supports, since "the Alma Deluxe, is designed, engineered, and manufactured in the United States," it could be made entirely with union labor. Thus, in buying the car, Harry could be supporting union labor.
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Bunuel wrote:
John: You told me once that no United States citizen who supports union labor should buy an imported car. Yet you are buying an Alma. Since Alma is one of the biggest makers of imports, I infer that you no longer support unions.

Harry: I still support labor unions. Even though Alma is a foreign car company, the car I am buying, the Alma Deluxe, is designed, engineered, and manufactured in the United States.

Harry's method of defending his purchase of an Alma is to

A. disown the principle he formerly held
B. show that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption
C. contradict John's conclusion without challenging John's reasoning in drawing that conclusion
D. point out that one of the statements John makes in support of his argument is false
E. claim that his is a special case in which the rule need not apply

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We need to read the stated principle carefully: No United States citizen who supports union labor should buy an IMPORTED CAR.

John:
Alma is one of the biggest makers of imports
Conclusion - You no longer support unions.

Harry:
Alma is a foreign car company
Conclusion - I still support unions

What is Harry's method of defending?

A. disown the principle he formerly held

He does not disown the principle.

B. show that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption

Correct - He shows that John's argument assumes that because Alma is a foreign car company, the car Harry is buying is an imported car. This is false because the car Harry is buying is made in US. So Harry shows that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption.

C. contradict John's conclusion without challenging John's reasoning in drawing that conclusion

He does contradict John's conclusion but he does not give in to John's reasoning. He challenges John's reasoning by saying that foreign car company does not imply "imported car". The car can still be US made.

D. point out that one of the statements John makes in support of his argument is false

No. Harry does not point out that John's any statement is false. All John's statements are accepted by Harry but he points out a false assumption John makes in his reasoning.

E. claim that his is a special case in which the rule need not apply

No. He does not claim that the rule need not apply to him. He applies the rule to himself too. He clarifies that his car is indeed US made and not imported.

Hi KarishmaB, thanks for the explanation, your explanations always help. But to me it seems like the assumption John made is that 'The car Harry is buying is an imported car (this is an assumption) as Alma is biggest importer (that is a premise)'. And Harry counters the argument by saying that even though Alma is biggest importer, the model he is buying is made in US.
Am I correct or is there something I missed?
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KarishmaB wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
John: You told me once that no United States citizen who supports union labor should buy an imported car. Yet you are buying an Alma. Since Alma is one of the biggest makers of imports, I infer that you no longer support unions.

Harry: I still support labor unions. Even though Alma is a foreign car company, the car I am buying, the Alma Deluxe, is designed, engineered, and manufactured in the United States.

Harry's method of defending his purchase of an Alma is to

A. disown the principle he formerly held
B. show that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption
C. contradict John's conclusion without challenging John's reasoning in drawing that conclusion
D. point out that one of the statements John makes in support of his argument is false
E. claim that his is a special case in which the rule need not apply

CR21661.01
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We need to read the stated principle carefully: No United States citizen who supports union labor should buy an IMPORTED CAR.

John:
Alma is one of the biggest makers of imports
Conclusion - You no longer support unions.

Harry:
Alma is a foreign car company
Conclusion - I still support unions

What is Harry's method of defending?

A. disown the principle he formerly held

He does not disown the principle.

B. show that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption

Correct - He shows that John's argument assumes that because Alma is a foreign car company, the car Harry is buying is an imported car. This is false because the car Harry is buying is made in US. So Harry shows that John's argument involves a false unstated assumption.

C. contradict John's conclusion without challenging John's reasoning in drawing that conclusion

He does contradict John's conclusion but he does not give in to John's reasoning. He challenges John's reasoning by saying that foreign car company does not imply "imported car". The car can still be US made.

D. point out that one of the statements John makes in support of his argument is false

No. Harry does not point out that John's any statement is false. All John's statements are accepted by Harry but he points out a false assumption John makes in his reasoning.

E. claim that his is a special case in which the rule need not apply

No. He does not claim that the rule need not apply to him. He applies the rule to himself too. He clarifies that his car is indeed US made and not imported.

Hi KarishmaB, thanks for the explanation, your explanations always help. But to me it seems like the assumption John made is that 'The car Harry is buying is an imported car (this is an assumption) as Alma is biggest importer (that is a premise)'. And Harry counters the argument by saying that even though Alma is biggest importer, the model he is buying is made in US.
Am I correct or is there something I missed?

Yes, that is what the assumption is. John assumes that Harry is buying an imported car only because Harry is buying a car of Alma (a foreign company).
But Harry is buying the Alma Deluxe which is made locally, not imported.

With the globalisation, a company originating in country X could be manufacturing products all across the world. It could set up plants in other countries and manufacture and sell there itself. Those goods will not be called imports in those countries because they were made locally.
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