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Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did outside the pinelands.


(A) so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did

(B) so fast, and in some parts even faster than, those

(C) as fast, and in some parts even faster than, those

(D) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those

(E) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did


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Before we jump into this one: the sentence is clearly trying to compare the increase in land values in the pinelands to the increase in land values elsewhere. If we’re trying to compare those two things, a phrase like “as fast as” makes perfect sense, but if we say “so fast”, there’s actually no comparison happening: in this context, “so” basically means “very”, and just stresses that the increase was substantial.

With that in mind…

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(A) so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did

… “so fast” doesn't convey the correct meaning, since we’re trying to compare the increases inside pinelands to the increases elsewhere. We’d need to use something like “as fast as”, not “so fast.”

Plus, the phrase “what they did” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. In this context, the verb “did” refers back to the verb “rose”, and “they” seems to refer to “land values”, so that gives us: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than what [land values rose] outside the pinelands.” That makes no sense at all.

So we can eliminate (A).

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(B) so fast, and in some parts even faster than, those

The phrase “so fast” still doesn’t make sense in (B) – see above for more on that issue.

Plus, “those” is a plural pronoun that refers back to “land values.” So if we replace “those” with “land values”, we get: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost so fast, (…modifier blah blah…), land values outside the pinelands.” That makes no sense, either.

(B) is gone, too.

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(C) as fast, and in some parts even faster than, those

This is getting closer, but the comparison still isn’t complete: we need this to say “as fast as”, not just “as fast.” If we replace “those” with its referent (“land values”), that gives us: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast, (…modifier blah blah…), land values outside the pinelands.” That doesn’t work.

And even if you think that the “than” inside that modifier (“and in some parts even faster than”) somehow applies to the rest of the comparison, we still have a problem: you can’t say “as fast than.”

So we can ditch (C).

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(D) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those

This one seems to work! If we once again replace “those” with “land values”, we get: “…land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, (…modifier blah blah…), land values outside the pinelands.” Great, we can keep (D).

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(E) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did

(E) has a variation of the same problem we saw in (A): the phrase “what they did” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. In this context, the verb “did” refers back to the verb “rose”, and “they” seems to refer to “land values.”

So that once again gives us: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than what [land values rose] outside the pinelands.” And that still makes no sense at all.

So (E) is out, and we’re left with (D).
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Can someone provide a detailed explanation of why D and not E?


I'm just trying to explain why not E....

"Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did outside the pinelands. "

Notice there is a missing comma after "than."
Iimagine the comma and remove modifying clause:

"Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as what they did outside the pinelands. "

Now remove preposition "of":

"Last year, land values rose almost as fast as what they did outside the pinelands."

Does this sentence sound correct to you still?

No.... That's why D
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Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did outside the pinelands.

(A) so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did
(B) so fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
(C) as fast, and in some parts even faster than, those
(D) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those
(E) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did

I'm getting D...

Narrow down to D and E because the idiom requires "as fast as".
Eliminate E, because it implies that the whole phrase "land values in most parts of the pinelands" are also rising outside the pinelands, which is a contradiction.
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Can someone provide a detailed explanation of why D and not E?
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Before we jump into this one: the sentence is clearly trying to compare the increase in land values in the pinelands to the increase in land values elsewhere. If we’re trying to compare those two things, a phrase like “as fast as” makes perfect sense, but if we say “so fast”, there’s actually no comparison happening: in this context, “so” basically means “very”, and just stresses that the increase was substantial.

With that in mind…

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(A) so fast, and in some parts even faster than what they did

… “so fast” doesn't convey the correct meaning, since we’re trying to compare the increases inside pinelands to the increases elsewhere. We’d need to use something like “as fast as”, not “so fast.”

Plus, the phrase “what they did” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. In this context, the verb “did” refers back to the verb “rose”, and “they” seems to refer to “land values”, so that gives us: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than what [land values rose] outside the pinelands.” That makes no sense at all.

So we can eliminate (A).

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(E) as fast as, and in some parts even faster than what they did

(E) has a variation of the same problem we saw in (A): the phrase “what they did” doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. In this context, the verb “did” refers back to the verb “rose”, and “they” seems to refer to “land values.”

So that once again gives us: “land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than what [land values rose] outside the pinelands.” And that still makes no sense at all.

So (E) is out, and we’re left with (D).


Hi GMATNinja,

I am not a native speaker. Please excuse me if you find my question dumb, but I am not finding the above sentence weird at all. Will you please elaborate a bit more ?

To confirm "land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than [land values rose] outside the pinelands." Is this sentence correct grammatically ?
if yes , how is "What" changing the meaning or making the sentence weird.
If no, What's wrong with this (without "what") sentence ?

Though I was able to guess the right ans , I want to be sure about my selection (as you mentioned :))

Please help me !!!

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Hi GMATNinja,

I am not a native speaker. Please excuse me if you find my question dumb, but I am not finding the above sentence weird at all. Will you please elaborate a bit more ?

To confirm "land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than [land values rose] outside the pinelands." Is this sentence correct grammatically ?
if yes , how is "What" changing the meaning or making the sentence weird.
If no, What's wrong with this (without "what") sentence ?

Though I was able to guess the right ans , I want to be sure about my selection (as you mentioned :))

Please help me !!!

Thanks
Teja

Good question, Teja! It's funny, the same issue came up on this Verbal Guide question about the gyrfalcon. So I'll borrow a little bit from my post on that thread. :)

Here's the phrase from (A) again, with "they" and "did" replaced by their referents, "land values" and "rose":

    “...land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than what [land values rose] outside the pinelands.”

If we could remove the word "what", that sentence would be fine. But "what" is definitely a problem. When it's used as a pronoun in a non-question (technically, a relative pronoun if you like jargon), it's basically a singular phrase that means "the things that." So these two sentences (stolen from my post on the other thread) would be OK:

  • "What I did after drinking 17 beers last night was regrettable." --> In other words, "the things that I did last night [were] regrettable." Grammatically, that works fine.
  • "Mike couldn't believe what he saw on the beach in Chile." --> Mike couldn't believe "the things that he saw" on the beach. That also works fine.

So let's apply that to the question in this thread. Rewriting (A) again, replacing "what" with "the things that":

    “...land values in most parts of the pinelands rose… even faster than [the things that] [land values rose] outside the pinelands.”

Pretty bad, right? :|

I hope this helps!
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I have one doubt :

Correct Answer: Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those outside the pinelands.

Doubt :
Here we have ',and' before 'in some parts'. According to MGMAT SC we use ',and' when we have list of items or we have two clauses connected by 'and'. But here it performs neither of the two functions.
So what is ,and doing here? Someone please explain ?
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I have one doubt :

Correct Answer: Last year, land values in most parts of the pinelands rose almost as fast as, and in some parts even faster than, those outside the pinelands.

Doubt :
Here we have ',and' before 'in some parts'. According to MGMAT SC we use ',and' when we have list of items or we have two clauses connected by 'and'. But here it performs neither of the two functions.
So what is ,and doing here? Someone please explain ?




Hello sunitagitu,

I will be glad to help you with this one. :-)

In the correct answer choice of this sentence, the phrase and in some parts even faster than is added information that has been inserted between the expression as fast as those outside the pinelands.

This added information has been enclosed between two commas - the comma before and and the comma after than. The sentence intends to say the following:

Land values in most part of the pinelands rose almost as fast as those outside the pinelands. Land values in some part of the pinelands rose even faster than those outside the pinelands.

The idiom faster than has been inserted between the as fast as idiom to convey the intended meaning.

If we remove this added information from the sentence, the two commas will also disappear. So the comma before and does not really belong to and. The comma pair has been used to enclose an added information that starts with and.


Hope this helps. :-)
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