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Hello People,

I am pleased to report a score of 710 Q48 V38 AWA 6 IR 1. While preparing for the test, I would search for other posts to see the correlation between X CATs and the real GMAT. However, I could find only old posts and these posts did not contain real time data. Having gotten a decent score, I would like to show you a comparison between my mock scores and the official exam. Please use this post as a guideline only.

REAL GMAT 17 DEC 2015 710 Q48 V38

Lets Start!

Kaplan

Kaplan 1 720 Q51 V37- Dont remember the dates.
Kaplan 2 710 Q50 V36
Kaplan 3 680 Q50 V34
Kaplan 4 700 Q50 V35
Kaplan 5 650 Q48 V34

AVG KAPLAN -700

Pros:
1. The look and feel of the mocks is very similar to the look and feel of the GMAT Test.
2. In the official exam, the first 10 questions are simple, the core starts from the 11th question. Kaplan follows a similar strategy.
3. Questions are good and match those of the official test.

Cons:
1. Even when you make a lot of mistakes, you will still score high on their tests. I was hovering around 650-670 but my Kaplan average was 700. So shave 30 points off your Kaplan average score to predict your official score.
2. The RCs were mind boggling. I could never understand their RC.
3. Few SC and CR were copied from GPSC and GPCR. (If you haven’t done GPSC and GPCR, you should)
4. AWA topics are damn easy
5. IR is not as intense as the IR on the official exam

Manhattan

MGMAT 1 650 Q42 V37 Aug 8
MGMAT 2 640 Q41 V36 Aug 12
MGMAT 3 670 Q47 V35 Aug 18
MGMAT 4 590 Q42 V31 Aug 19
MGMAT 5 680 Q47 V35 Aug 23
MGMAT 6 670 Q45 V37 Aug 27

AVG MGMAT 650

Pros:
1.Manhattan is known for its brutal quant. Seeing tough quant questions in its mocks makes you feel invisible during the official exam.
2.The Verbal is top notch. Manhattan SC is slightly easier (not easy) but very close. Manhattan CR uses the same logic that you would use to solve GPCR.
3.Verbal and quant solutions have awesome explanations.
4.If you consistently touch 700+ on MGMAT then you are ready to bang.

Cons:
1.Manhattan IR is really tough.
2.Some quant questions are extremely dense, require a lot of interpretation and are time consuming.
3.Few SC and CR questions copied from GPSC and GPCR.

Veritas

Veritas 1 620 Q45 V31 July 17
Veritas 2 470 Q43 V12 Sept 4
Veritas 3 620 Q45 V31 Sept 28
Veritas 4 620 Q46 V29 Oct 2
Veritas 5 620 Q44 V32 Oct 21
Veritas 6 620 Q44 V35 Nov 6
Veritas 7 620 Q44 V32 Dec 9

Pros:
1. Few good questions and questions that will teach you tricks.
2. Veritas SC pushes you to the limits, again this is good for the official exam.
3. Finally they have a ‘reset tests’ option.

Cons:
Although I like Veritas Prep Karishma’s solutions, I used to get really demotivated with their mocks.

1.Few CR questions were testing LSAT Logic ( All/Any/ Some/ None stuff )
2.A lot of their quant questions were testing pattern recognition. If you are bad at pattern recognition, then buckle up. Personally I hated their pattern recognition questions.
3.Many questions are copied from GPSC and GPCR.
4.A lot of their solutions didn’t seem convincing to me. I had to always cross check Buneal’s solutions.
5.The algorithm is flawed. See I have V38 but could never cross V35 on their mocks, I could never go beyond Q46 in their mocks either. I had to postpone my exam twice because I was so demotivated with my Veritas Scores.

Final Verdict:

Kaplan: Know that your scores would be higher on Kaplan Mocks. Rating 3/5.
Manhattan: Quant is slightly tough. Verbal is good. Best indicator after GMAT Prep ( Prep 1,2,3 and 4 ) Rating 4/5.
Veritas: Don’t get demotivated with your Veritas Scores. Rating 3/5.

So,
If you have ample time. Start with Veritas, then Kaplan and then Manhattan.

If you have just enough time. Start with Kaplan and then Manhattan.

If you want challenging tests. Do only Manhattan.

If you want to learn really cool techniques and push yourself. Do GMAT CLUB TESTS ( If you want 48+, practice them atleast twice ). I did not mention GMAT CLUB TESTS because I used Quiz mode and did not take full length tests. GMAT CLUB TESTS ( QUESTIONS ) are NECESARRY. No matter what you do, make sure you do GMAT Club tests. Either buy them or get kudos .Rating 10/5.

Final Advice.
1. Best friends to make during your GMAT preps are Buneal from GMAT CLUB, Ron Purewall from MGMAT Universe and GMAT GURU NY from BTG.
2. Stay positive and calm your nerves.
3. Have clarity of thought (You will need to ditch some questions in the official exam to stay on track)
4. GMAT is not a test of aptitude rather a test hardwork, persistence and dedication.

Hope this post helps.

*Request GMAT Takers to pitch in their scores.

Cheers,
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Hey! congrats on your score, and for this debrief.
I have been looking for such review of CATs especially the ones you mentioned.
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MK1480 wrote:
Hey! congrats on your score, and for this debrief.
I have been looking for such review of CATs especially the ones you mentioned.
Good luck!


Thank you. You could also check out 'Magoosh's quant question bank' for extra questions. I really liked their quant questions. Dont know about their verbal though.

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Hi,
huge congrats to your score! I just took the GMAT and had a very similar experience with the scores obtained during the mocks. I also scored a 710 in the real thing (Q47 V41). During my prep time, I scored around 700 in Kaplan CATs, took the free MGMAT and got 620 (due to my struggles with Quant). Just a week before the Test Day, I took Veritas mock test and scored a 620 which totally stressed me out. My Verbal (which is my strength) was V33 so I think that there must be something wrong with their algorithm.

Kaplan CATs scores:
CAT 1 (Diagnostic) 560 Q36 V31
CAT 2 660 Q46 V34
CAT 3 710 Q47 V41
CAT 4 720 Q47 V38

Manhattan Practice Test: 620 Q38 V36

GMAT Prep Tests:
Prep Test 1: 730 Q48 V42
Prep Test 2: 690 Q47 V38

So overall, I recommend Kaplan as well, since it has a very similar layout as the real GMAT and Manhattan for its challenging Math problems and great time management analysis (who says timing strategy will come along is so wrong, it needs practice!)

Thanks for the post! Too bad I didn't see it before my test day, it would have calmed me down, but I think there is no such comparison of the mocks on the forum so I think people will find this useful!

Good luck with everything,
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anna.brezinova wrote:
Hi,
huge congrats to your score! I just took the GMAT and had a very similar experience with the scores obtained during the mocks. I also scored a 710 in the real thing (Q47 V41). During my prep time, I scored around 700 in Kaplan CATs, took the free MGMAT and got 630 (due to my struggles with Quant). Just a week before the Test Day, I took Veritas mock test and scored a 620 which totally stressed me out. My Verbal (which is my strength) was V33 so I think that there must be something wrong with their algorithm.

So overall, I recommend Kaplan as well, since it has a very similar layout as the real GMAT and Manhattan for its challenging Math problems.

Thanks for the post! Too bad I didn't see it before my test day, it would have calmed me down, but I think there is no such comparison of the mocks on the forum so I think people will find this useful!

Good luck with everything,
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Congratulations. Great score!

Do post your mock scores on this post so that it will help future test takers. And did you notice that most of the mocks are testing problem solving skills but the official exam is the only exam that is testing decision making skills? I could understand this only when I sat in the exam.

Ron from MGMAT says that 'It doesnt matter if you can solve a question in 3 mins, what matters is what you decide to do when you see such dense questions-solve it or let go of it'.

Bottom line, the official exam was a totally different experience.

All the best with your applications.

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Congratulations. Great score!

Do post your mock scores on this post so that it will help future test takers. And did you notice that most of the mocks are testing problem solving skills but the official exam is the only exam that is testing decision making skills? I could understand this only when I sat in the exam.

Ron from MGMAT says that 'It doesnt matter if you can solve a question in 3 mins, what matters is what you decide to do when you see such dense questions-solve it or let go of it'.

Bottom line, the official exam was a totally different experience.

All the best with your applications.

Regards,
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Hey, added my scores.

Totally agree with Ron, I struggled with getting stuck at some challenging questions and then running out of time. The 'let go' approach really needs to be practiced just as much as other strategies.
However, my test day experience was not that different from that of GMAT mocks. Anyway, glad it is over haha.

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Thanks for posting your scores!

Is there any strategy that you deployed for improving quant & verbal scores? I am also having similar scores as your first kaplan CAT1.



anna.brezinova wrote:
Hi,
huge congrats to your score! I just took the GMAT and had a very similar experience with the scores obtained during the mocks. I also scored a 710 in the real thing (Q47 V41). During my prep time, I scored around 700 in Kaplan CATs, took the free MGMAT and got 620 (due to my struggles with Quant). Just a week before the Test Day, I took Veritas mock test and scored a 620 which totally stressed me out. My Verbal (which is my strength) was V33 so I think that there must be something wrong with their algorithm.

Kaplan CATs scores:
CAT 1 (Diagnostic) 560 Q36 V31
CAT 2 660 Q46 V34
CAT 3 710 Q47 V41
CAT 4 720 Q47 V38

Manhattan Practice Test: 620 Q38 V36

GMAT Prep Tests:
Prep Test 1: 730 Q48 V42
Prep Test 2: 690 Q47 V38

So overall, I recommend Kaplan as well, since it has a very similar layout as the real GMAT and Manhattan for its challenging Math problems and great time management analysis (who says timing strategy will come along is so wrong, it needs practice!)

Thanks for the post! Too bad I didn't see it before my test day, it would have calmed me down, but I think there is no such comparison of the mocks on the forum so I think people will find this useful!

Good luck with everything,
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MK1480 wrote:
Thanks for posting your scores!

Is there any strategy that you deployed for improving quant & verbal scores? I am also having similar scores as your first kaplan CAT1.


Well,
I went through the Kaplan Guide Book and adopted their strategies (it suited me pretty well). At first, I just forced myself to deploy the strategies no matter what time it took me to solve the problems (especially with verbal). Later on, I started to 'stress myself' with the clock ticking, just timing myself within every single problem to see how much time it took me and also to learn to let go when it's time.
As for Quant, I went through the Math Workbook which helped me refresh the basics (my knowledge was really poor at the beginning) but still deploying the Kaplan strategies.
Later on, I started with official GMAT questions to get used to the real type of questions I might see on Test Day. Starting two weeks before my Test Day, I did a mock test every other day to get used to the length and exhaustion (that was probably the greatest challenge for me) and improve my timing and decision-making.

Hope this helps :)
Good luck with your prep, let me know if you would like to know anything else,
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see the breakdown of quant scores veritas and gmat prep awarded me. greater accuracy, harder questions. still q43. I cant get over q43 in vertias.

i ve traced all the questions to the gmat club to recheck the level of difficulty. so the benchmark is representative. i also have the questions with links saved in excel. questions are arranged in order.
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see the breakdown of quant scores veritas and gmat prep awarded me. greater accuracy, harder questions. still q43. I cant get over q43 in vertias.

i ve traced all the questions to the gmat club to recheck the level of difficulty. so the benchmark is representative. i also have the questions with links saved in excel. questions are arranged in order.


Shasadou thanks for posting.

But how is it possible to get Q49 with 17 mistakes? I thought Q49 was 8-10 mistakes.
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shasadou wrote:
hi

see the breakdown of quant scores veritas and gmat prep awarded me. greater accuracy, harder questions. still q43. I cant get over q43 in vertias.

i ve traced all the questions to the gmat club to recheck the level of difficulty. so the benchmark is representative. i also have the questions with links saved in excel. questions are arranged in order.


Shasadou thanks for posting.

But how is it possible to get Q49 with 17 mistakes? I thought Q49 was 8-10 mistakes.


I see a hidden assumption in your question =) either I lie or mistake or the software errs. :lol: you can see the 37 questions in order in my debrief post. open gmac 2 sheet in my err log 650-q43v36-plateu-210516.html
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Alchemist14, thanks for the review! I would like to share an official response from Stacey Koprince, our Senior Manager of Academics:

Thanks so much for your feedback about our materials. I would like to add one comment.

We are very careful not to copy questions from any official source material. We do, of course, study the source material carefully in order to produce questions that are "GMAT-like" (ie, that mimic the real test in appropriate ways), but we have quality-control checks in place to ensure that writers are not copying straight from official sources.

Of course, standardized tests do follow general patterns (hence the name standardized!), so it's not uncommon to recognize similar aspects in different problems. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that one question reminded someone of another question - I see those connections among official problems all the time. The ability to recognize those connections is one important aspect of doing well on this kind of test.

If you do find something on one of our tests that you think too closely resembles something that you saw elsewhere, we would definitely like to hear about it; please let us know. If anything slips through our "safety nets," we will take immediate action.

Congratulations on your 710!
p.s. I agree that our IR is too hard. We're working on it. :)
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DmitryFarber wrote:
Thanks so much for your feedback about our materials. I would like to add one comment.

We are very careful not to copy questions from any official source material. We do, of course, study the source material carefully in order to produce questions that are "GMAT-like" (ie, that mimic the real test in appropriate ways), but we have quality-control checks in place to ensure that writers are not copying straight from official sources.

Of course, standardized tests do follow general patterns (hence the name standardized!), so it's not uncommon to recognize similar aspects in different problems. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that one question reminded someone of another question - I see those connections among official problems all the time. The ability to recognize those connections is one important aspect of doing well on this kind of test.

If you do find something on one of our tests that you think too closely resembles something that you saw elsewhere, we would definitely like to hear about it; please let us know. If anything slips through our "safety nets," we will take immediate action.

Congratulations on your 710!
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It's crazy hard. I get 3/4 on MGMAT and 7/8 on GMAT Prep. So maybe just double the score? There, problem solved! :-D
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I see a hidden assumption in your question =) either I lie or mistake or the software errs. :lol: you can see the 37 questions in order in my debrief post. open gmac 2 sheet in my err log 650-q43v36-plateu-210516.html


Wait, were you taking GMAT Prep CATS or GMAT Club CATs? If it was the latter, I think their scoring algorithm is way off. My first (and last) GMAC CAT I missed two verbal questions total (one 600 and one 700) and I got a V39. Not possible. For comparison, I've been getting V45-51 on GMAT Prep missing 5-0 questions. I don't know how much faith I'd put in the GMAC CAT.
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GMAC = Graduate Management Admission Council, the makers of the GMAT. So GMATPrep is the GMAC test.
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Kelzie01,

GMAC = Graduate Management Admission Council, the makers of the GMAT. So GMATPrep is the GMAC test.


That makes sense. Was thinking GMAC = GMAT Club!
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Thanks for your post Alchemist14 its quite demotivating hitting constant stagnation in the Veritas tests.
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