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02 Jan 2019, 08:13
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.
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02 Jan 2019, 09:12
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prahul5 wrote:
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.

Parul, you are at the right forum.
Leverage GMAT club vast set of questions. You can use timers and can also use sections to concentrate on your weak areas.
search on gmat club and you will find error logs that will help you track your progress
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02 Jan 2019, 09:14
prahul5 wrote:
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.

Hi Parul, What is your verbal subsectional percentile? if you share your ESR, experts will definitely help you in where to focus to get a higher score in Verbal.
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02 Jan 2019, 09:24
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prahul5 wrote:
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.

prahul5

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02 Jan 2019, 09:26
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I am new in GMAT (2 months so far); and there are some notes I can tell:

1- don't answer with time constrain. take your time in analyzing each choice and try not to answer unless you have clear justifications why you choice is correct and the others are incorrect. later, when you develop your confidence, start timing your answers.

2- go back to the conceptual background of verbals. seek YouTube channels and tutors and take your time to grasp it.
(for example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_3r8nn ... TV&index=2)

3- use the search tool on gmatclub to choose your topics.
(https://gmatclub.com/forum/search.php?view=search_tags)

4- focus on solving easy and middle difficulty questions more than high difficulty ones.

5- try reading an English novel to increase your reading speed and comprehension (try making it a habit).

good luck.
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02 Jan 2019, 09:32
Hi Rahul, which section in Verbal is bothering you the most?
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02 Jan 2019, 10:04
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prahul5 wrote:
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.

Hi prahul5,

Welcome to GMATCLUB! First of all Congratulations on a great score. For verbal, I would highly encourage you to consider e-gmat verbal online or the e-gmat verbal live course. They are both amazing courses especially designed for non-natives. They offer almost 25% of their courses for free so you can try out their free trial to decide which one you want to go for. Plus the e-gmat Scholaranium which is included in both the courses is one of the best verbal practice tools in the market. You can easily track your progress in that you can identify your strengths and analyze and improve on your weak areas.

Further taking multiple mocks might help. Apart from the GMATPREP, Manhattan GMAT tests and Veritas Prep Tests in my experience have good verbal and Quant section and will certainly help you point out and improve your weak areas.

Further another advantage of taking many mocks is to build up your stamina. Apart from the GMATPREP tests, taking practise tests of any major GMATPREP company ought to do that.

Hope this helps. All the best.
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02 Jan 2019, 12:43
Hi prahul5,

First off, a 680/Q50 is a strong score (it's right around the 85th percentile overall), so it could be enough to get you into your first-choice School. As such, a retest might not be necessary. There's certainly no harm in retesting though - and it sounds as though you're not facing any immediate application deadlines - which is good.

Before I can offer you the specific advice that you’re looking for, it would help if you could provide a bit more information on how you've been studying and your goals:

Studies:
1) How long have you studied?
2) How have you scored on EACH of your CATs (including the Quant and Verbal Scaled Scores for EACH)?

Goals:
3) What is your goal score?
4) When are you planning to apply to Business School?
5) What Schools are you planning to apply to?

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02 Jan 2019, 13:41
prahul5 wrote:
I recently gave the GMAT and scored a 680 Q50, V31. I had used only the OG and Manhattan books for verbal. I rarely practiced Quant, but gave a lot of attention to verbal.
I want to achieve a higher score and as I am right now in 3rd year of engineering, I have ample time to prepare.
Any suggestion as to what material and strategies I should follow to improve my Verbal score.

Since you have the luxury of time, I would recommend joining a verbal course of your choosing because the self study option for verbal has not materialized. Most of the courses have free trials, so it would make sense for you to test them all out and then decide accordingly.

Best wishes!
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02 Jan 2019, 18:32
Hello EMPOWERgmatRichC

I had studied for roughly 1 month, on an average 1 hour a day, and last 20 days before the exam I studied for 10 hours a day. So total 50-55 days

In my Gmat official practice exam I scored
1st exam 660 Q50, V27 (8 days before test day)
2nd exam 690 Q50,V 32 (3 days before the exam)

Target score: above 760 points
I am planning to apply for HBS 2+2 or Yale Silver scholars program.
I will be sending in my application in April 2020
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02 Jan 2019, 22:12
Hi prahul5,

Many Test Takers spend 3 months (or more) of consistent study time before they hit their 'peak' scores. Based on what you describe, you studied lightly for 1 month, then 'crammed' for the last 20 days. Thus, it's likely that you just have not put in enough time and effort to have scored higher yet. Going forward, you should NOT plan to spend 10 hours/day studying - that's far too much time - and over the long term would likely lead to 'burn out' (which is something that we want to avoid.

As an aside, the 760+ score is the 99th percentile - meaning that 99% of Test Takers never score that high (regardless of how long they study or the number of times that they take the GMAT). Thankfully, NO Business School requires a score that high - so it's important to realize that the score that you "want" and the score that you "need" are not the same thing.

Since you clearly have plenty of time before you plan to apply to Business School, you can approach this next phase of your studies however you like.

1) Going forward, how many hours do you think you can consistently study each week?

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04 Jan 2019, 10:36
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Hi Prahul5,

First off, 680 with a Q50 is pretty awesome, my friend. Nice work!

Regarding how to improve your verbal skills, since you scored a V31, you should follow a linear and structured study plan so you can learn each topic individually, starting with the foundations and moving to more advanced concepts. For example, when studying Critical Reasoning, you need to ensure that you fully understand the essence of the various question types. Do you know the importance of an assumption within an argument? Can you easily spot a conclusion? Do you know how to resolve a paradox? Do you know how to properly evaluate cause and effect? Do you know how to properly weaken or strengthen an argument? These are just a few examples; you really need to take a deep dive into the individual topics to develop the necessary skills to properly attack any Critical Reasoning questions that you encounter.

As you learn each Critical Reasoning problem type, do focused practice so that you can track your skill in answering each type of question. If, for example, you incorrectly answered a Weaken the Argument question, ask yourself why. Did you make a careless mistake? Did you not recognize the specific question type? Were you doing too much analysis in your head? Did you skip over a keyword in an answer choice? You must thoroughly analyze your mistakes and seek to turn weaknesses into strengths by focusing on the question types you dread seeing and the questions you take a long time to answer correctly.

Sentence Correction is a bit of a different animal compared to Reading Comprehension and Critical Reasoning. There are three aspects to getting correct answers to GMAT Sentence Correction questions: what you know, such as grammar rules, what you see, such as violations of grammar rules and the logic of sentence structure, and what you do, such as carefully considering each answer choice in the context of the non-underlined portion of the sentence. To drive up your Sentence Correction score, you likely will have to work on all three of those aspects.

Regarding what you know, first and foremost, you MUST know your grammar rules. Let's be clear, though: GMAT Sentence Correction is not just a test of knowledge of grammar rules. The reason for learning grammar rules is so that you can determine what sentences convey and whether sentences are well-constructed. In fact, in many cases, incorrect answers to Sentence Correction questions are grammatically flawless. Thus, often your task is to use your knowledge of grammar rules to determine which answer choice creates the most logical sentence meaning and structure.

This determination of whether sentences are well-constructed and logical is the second aspect of finding correct answers to Sentence Correction questions, what you see. To develop this skill, you probably have to slow way down. You won't develop this skill by spending under two minutes per question. For a while, anyway, you have to spend time with each question, maybe even ten or fifteen minutes on one question sometimes, analyzing every answer choice until you see the details that you have to see in order to choose the correct answer. As you go through the answer choices, consider the meaning conveyed by each version of the sentence. Does the meaning make sense? Even if you can tell what the version is SUPPOSED to convey, does the version really convey that meaning? Is there a verb to go with the subject? Do all pronouns clearly refer to nouns? By slowing way down and looking for these details, you learn to see what you have to see in order to clearly understand which answer to a Sentence Correction question is correct.

There is only one correct answer to any Sentence Correction question, there are clear reasons why that choice is correct and the others are not, and those reasons are not that the correct version simply "sounds right." In fact, the correct version often sounds a little off at first. That correct answers may sound a little off is not surprising. If the correct answer were always the one that sounded right, then most people most of the time would get Sentence Correction questions correct, without really knowing why the wrong answers were wrong and the correct answers were correct. So, you have to go beyond choosing what "sounds right" and learn to clearly see the logical reasons why one choice is better than all of the others.

As for the third aspect of getting Sentence Correction questions correct, what you do, the main thing you have to do is be very careful. You have to make sure that you are truly considering the structures of sentences and the meanings conveyed rather than allowing yourself to be tricked into choosing trap answers that sound right but don't convey logical meanings. You also have to make sure that you put some real energy into finding the correct answers. Finding the correct answer to a Sentence Correction question may take bouncing from choice to choice repeatedly until you start to see the differences between the choices that make all choices wrong except for one. Often, when you first look at the choices, only one or two seem obviously incorrect. Getting the right answers takes a certain work ethic. You have to be determined to see the differences and figure out the precise reasons that one choice is correct.

To improve what you do when you answer Sentence Correction questions, seek to become aware of how you are going about answering them. Are you being careful and looking for logic and details, or are you quickly eliminating choices that sound a little off and then choosing the best of the rest? If you choose an incorrect answer, consider what you did that resulted in your arriving at that answer and what you could do differently in order to arrive at correct answers more consistently. Furthermore, see how many questions you can get correct in a row as you practice. If you break your streak by missing one, consider what you could have done differently to extend your streak.

As with your Critical Reasoning and Reading Comprehension regimens, after learning a particular Sentence Correction topic, engage in focused practice with 30 questions or more that involve that topic. As your skills improve, you will then want to practice with questions that test you on skills from multiple Sentence Correction topics.

Ultimately, if you are unable to learn and practice in the manner described above, you may consider looking for additional verbal prep resources. If you are unsure of which resources to choose, check out some reviews here on GMAT Club. You also may find my article with more information regarding
how to score a 700+ on the GMAT helpful.

Feel free to reach out with any questions.

Good luck!
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04 Jan 2019, 19:39
Thankyou ScottTargetTestPrep

The approach you have shown is very detailed and I will work it out in my prep.
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04 Jan 2019, 20:17
For improving your verbal score, I would suggest you to do Veritas and the question bank (official gmat site) to get your score up!
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