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dear experts,

although I picked up D -- proof that, I am afraid that the use of "proof of", "proof for",
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From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

A. for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand
B. for a card in the dealer's hand to be identified by subjects with thought transference
C. of subjects able to identify with thought transference a card in the dealer's hand
D. that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference
E. that subjects are capable to use thought transference for identifying a card in the dealer's hand


Answer analysis:

A) This sentence sounds pretty good other than the preposition "for," which usually indicates an intended recipient. Because the subjects of this experiment are not intended to receive, or benefit from, the results of the experiment, this does not make any logical sense. We also notice "for" being replaced in 3/5 of the answers.
B) Same issue as A. The card is neither the recipient nor the beneficiary of Rhine's claims.
C) Not bad, probably the second best choice, but the word order is suspect. It should say "to identify a card in the dealer's hand with thought transference." In other words, the direct object of the verb should precede the modifying prepositional phrases.
D) Correct. "By" is the best preposition to describe a method or process using a gerund (-ing). "I was able to find my brother by shouting his name into the crowd" sounds better than "I was able to find him with shouting." The "with" construction works only if "with" is preceded by a noun rather than a gerund. For example, "I was able to sink the free throw with a flick of my wrist."
E) "are capable to use" is incorrect. It should say "are capable of using."
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Please note: as in many cases, the GMAC does not provide the best possible answer here. The best possible answer would use the template "proof of A who could use B to C." In other words, it would address the issue of word priority (placing key phrases earlier in the sentence) by placing the phrase "thought transference" earlier in the sentence.

Correct answer: From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference.

Best answer(s): From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof of subjects able to use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand, or of subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.
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both "proof +of noun" and "proof +that-clause" are correct idioms.
but we need a logic relation between two entities to make an idiom logic and correct

proof of his existence
is correct
poof of him
is incorrect

this is most basic thinking of GMAT SC.
in our problem, "proof of card, or of subject" is not logic. that is all. nothing more.
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From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

A. for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand
B. for a card in the dealer's hand to be identified by subjects with thought transference
C. of subjects able to identify with thought transference a card in the dealer's hand
D. that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference
E. that subjects are capable to use thought transference for identifying a card in the dealer's hand



I was stuck between 'D' & 'E'.

Can someone throw some light for meaning in option 'D' as I thought that " by using thought transference " in option 'D' is ambiguous.

Its as if Rhine was using thought transference.
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Hi,

Let me try solving your queries:

Sentence: From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Josheph Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

Option D: In Option D " that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference" is a clause. Subject of the clause is "subjects" and verb is "could identify". "by using thought transference" logically refers to the Subject ("subjects") of this very clause - it provides information about how the action was performed.

Option E: "Capable of" is the appropriate idiom when you want to show "an achievable result by an entity". Example - You are capable of scoring above 700; good test takers are capable of keeping their cool, etc.

In the same breath, let me also mention that "able to" in option C is not wrong, it's how its used is wrong. If the choice C had read something like this - subjects being able to.. then the "able to" usage would have been correct. (I'm not delving into the entire choice, just talking about "able to")

SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT

When the following verbs are used as reporting verbs, they usually need to be followed by a "that" clause, which contains the details of what is being reported.
CLAIM, ASSERT, REPORT, PRESENT, STATE, SUGGEST, PROOF, etc (not an exhaustive list)

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From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

A. for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand
B. for a card in the dealer's hand to be identified by subjects with thought transference
C. of subjects able to identify with thought transference a card in the dealer's hand
D. that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference
E. that subjects are capable to use thought transference for identifying a card in the dealer's hand



I was stuck between 'D' & 'E'.

Can someone throw some light for meaning in option 'D' as I thought that " by using thought transference " in option 'D' is ambiguous.

Its as if Rhine was using thought transference.
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New post 26 Jun 2017, 22:57
If we vertically scan first few words of answer choices, we can see split of ‘for’ , ‘of’ and ‘that’. We use ‘that’ to state something.
Read the portion before underline part ‘claimed statistical proof’. Here we need ‘that’ because ‘parapsychologist Joshep Banks….’ is stating. Eliminate A, B and C.
In option E, ‘capable to’ is wrong idiom. Correct idiom is ‘capable of’. Eliminate E.

Hence C is the correct answer.
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From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

A. for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand

- As Joshep Banks Rhine is claiming a proof here, the usage of "for" will be inappropriate if you read the entire sentence. Reading the sentence with "for" means we are explaining what the proof is for and not explaining what the proof is.

B. for a card in the dealer's hand to be identified by subjects with thought transference

- As Joshep Banks Rhine is claiming a proof here, the usage of "for" will be inappropriate if you read the entire sentence. Reading the sentence with "for" means we are explaining what the proof is for and not explaining what the proof is.

C. of subjects able to identify with thought transference a card in the dealer's hand

- As Joshep Banks Rhine is claiming a proof here, the usage of "of" will be inappropriate if you read the entire sentence. Reading the sentence with "of" means we are explaining what the proof is of and not explaining what the proof is.

D. that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference

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E. that subjects are capable to use thought transference for identifying a card in the dealer's hand

"capable to use" is incorrect should be "capable of using"

Hence, Answer is D

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Though answer choice D is correct but than it is in passive voice. Can we mark answer with passive voice
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A, and B - Incorrect ... proof for.. definitely out
C - of and unnecessary elongation of sentence
So D and E: left
D - could identify is much better - Correct
E- are capable to use... incorrect
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If option E says - that subjects are capable of using thought transference for identyfying a card in the dealr's hand.
Then option E correct nly or both the options are correct i.e. D and E .
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From an experiment using special extrasensory perception cards, each bearing one of a set of symbols, parapsychologist Joshep Banks Rhine claimed statistical proof for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand.

A. for subjects who could use thought transference to identify a card in the dealer's hand
B. for a card in the dealer's hand to be identified by subjects with thought transference
C. of subjects able to identify with thought transference a card in the dealer's hand
D. that subjects could identify a card in the dealer's hand by using thought transference
E. that subjects are capable to use thought transference for identifying a card in the dealer's hand


a specialty of english is that each noun can go with a preposition or that-clause to make idiom
proof of +noun
is an idiom
this dose not mean any noun can stand after "proof of" we need a noun which make the idiom meaningful
proof of subjects" is nonsense.
proof of passion for gmat" is logic.

proof can go with that- clause. this is an idiom. though this idiom is hard to believe . it seem that "proof of +that-clause" is better . but a preposition never go before that -clause.
so , remember "proof +that-clause" is idiom. end of story.
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