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I prefer D. Would is preferred over will as we are talking about future from the past.

Not happy with the overall sentence though. Analyst has estimated that few stores have experienced sales declines. When you use have, you indicate with certainty. When you estimate, you should use may, not have.

This was exactly my doubt, how come are they talking "have" !!
Does any one here have a resolution around this?
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mk96, the use of "may" and "estimate" will kind of be doing the same job here. Estimate already tells you that whatever follows may/may not be 100% accurate. Not really an error IMO.
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One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year.

(A) declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(B) declines in sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(C) up to fifty percent in declining sales but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s

(D) sales declines of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s

(E) declines up to fifty percent of sales but predicted that the industry as a whole will have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s


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The sentence reports one analyst's views about the liquor industry's sales performance this year: there will be large declines in sales in a few liquor stores, and this year's sales volume will be close to last year's sales volume.

A. This choice is incorrect because it refers to sales themselves rather than to declines in sales. Furthermore, it compares a volume of sales with a year.

B. This choice incorrectly uses would have maintained after the simple past predicted.

C. The phraseology have experienced up to fifty percent is incorrect, since a percent cannot be experienced. The phraseology up to fifty percent in declining sales fails to indicate clearly that sales declined by fifty percent from the previous year.

D. Correct. This choice correctly refers to declines, uses the correct would maintain, and correctly compares this year's sales volume with last year's sales volume.

E. This choice incorrectly uses will have maintained after the simple past predicted.

The correct answer is D.
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in some question i have read that"predicted" itself used to show possibility and no need to use "would" again".....use of "will" is correct.... but here in option "D" ....both " predicted" and "would" is there....isn't it redundant.

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in some question i have read that"predicted" itself used to show possibility and no need to use "would" again".....use of "will" is correct.... but here in option "D" ....both " predicted" and "would" is there....isn't it redundant.
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Interesting...if you can dig out that question from your memory, I would be very interested in looking at it.
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avigutman - Hi - a quick clarification :

Context :
Today is October 15th 2021
Annoucement date : August 1st 2021


1) John announced that he would work hard.
2) John announced that he Will work hard.

Based on the visual

Sentence # 1 -- does the presence of the word "would" imply the action [working hard] to the blue bit only on the number line ?

I thought the would implied the action (working hard) is ONLY SOMEWHERE between Annoucement date (August 1st) < working hard < Today's date (nowhere Past Today's date, i.e. yellow highlight)

Sentence # 2 -- i thought the "Will boxed the time line of the action (working hard) between Today's date < working hard < infinitum in the future (the action DID NOT occur during the blue highlight)

Is my understanding wrong ?

I think perhaps sentence # 1 or sentence # 2, the action [working hard] CAN fall in either bucket (yellow or blue highlight)

The only difference is the probability

Would (irrespective if action taking place in the blue or action taking place in the yellow) -- 50 % surety
Will (irrespective if action taking place in the blue or action taking place in the yellow) -- 100 % surety
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avigutman - Hi - a quick clarification :

Context :
Today is October 15th 2021
Annoucement date : August 1st 2021


1) John announced that he would work hard.
2) John announced that he Will work hard.

Based on the visual

Sentence # 1 -- does the presence of the word "would" imply the action [working hard] to the blue bit only on the number line ?

I thought the would implied the action (working hard) is ONLY SOMEWHERE between Annoucement date (August 1st) < working hard < Today's date (nowhere Past Today's date, i.e. yellow highlight)

Sentence # 2 -- i thought the "Will boxed the time line of the action (working hard) between Today's date < working hard < infinitum in the future (the action DID NOT occur during the blue highlight)

Is my understanding wrong ?

I think perhaps sentence # 1 or sentence # 2, the action [working hard] CAN fall in either bucket (yellow or blue highlight)

The only difference is the probability

Would (irrespective if action taking place in the blue or action taking place in the yellow) -- 50 % surety
Will (irrespective if action taking place in the blue or action taking place in the yellow) -- 100 % surety
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jabhatta2 Your understanding is only partially correct. Here's a pretty good explanation of the different uses of will/would:
https://writingexplained.org/will-vs-would-difference
Unfortunately, it's not very straightforward.
Fortunately, I don't recall ever having to decide between two answer choices with will/would as a deciding factor.
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Hi DmitryFarber - In the non-underlined part - i noticed "have experienced" is paired with "Estimated"

Given there is a past tense verb [Estimated] -- shouldn't it be Analyst etsimated THAT stores "would experience"

Why isn't there a "would" with "experience"

Just curious,

Do these 3 sentences, give different implications ?

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Sam Estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced a decline in sales
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Sam Estimated that this year a few liquor stores will experience a decline in sales
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Sam Estimated that this year a few liquor stores would experience a decline in sales.
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One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year.

(A) declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(B) declines in sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(C) up to fifty percent in declining sales but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s

(D) sales declines of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s

(E) declines up to fifty percent of sales but predicted that the industry as a whole will have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s


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is the usage of 'will' correct in A?
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I still cannot understand between "will" and "would" in this question.
Analyst predicted that the industry as a whole .....would........... correct
That meant whenever we talked about the word of the third person, we must use "would" rather than "will"?
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One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few Updated on: 18 Jan 2022, 05:17
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I still cannot understand between "will" and "would" in this question.
Analyst predicted that the industry as a whole .....would........... correct
That meant whenever we talked about the word of the third person, we must use "would" rather than "will"?
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would is the past tense of will

When a future event is mentioned from the point of view of the past event, the future event is represented by "would" instead of “will”

E.g. John mentioned that he would need Tony’s bike sometime during the next month
Here the action of needing the bike is in the future with reference to the past event “mentioned” hence would need

E.g. Google announced that it would soon launch its version of VR headsets
 Here the action “launch” is in the future with respect to the past action “announced”

Would is used to demonstrate:
• Expectations about the future
• Hypothetical condition
• Assumption

Key words: Estimate, assume, predict

https://gmatclub.com/forum/analysts-and ... 21757.html In this official sentence a prediction is made. BUT here the prediction is made in the present and not in the past hence we use the tense "will" and not "would"
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I still cannot understand between "will" and "would" in this question.
Analyst predicted that the industry as a whole .....would........... correct
That meant whenever we talked about the word of the third person, we must use "would" rather than "will"?
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Hello Teitsuya,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, this sentence refers to a future event from the perspective of a point in time further in the future; thus, the correct verb form is the simple past tense verb "would".

We hope this helps.
All the best!
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Could you please help? There are not much in-detail explanation from experts in this question and other questions from GMAT Advanced question book like questions from OG or verbal review


One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced [declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year.]

(A) declining sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole will maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(B) declines in sales of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year

(C) up to fifty percent in declining sales but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year???s

(D) sales declines of up to fifty percent but predicted that the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year???s

(E) declines up to fifty percent of sales but predicted that the industry as a whole will have maintained a volume of sales fairly close to last year???s

I eliminate (A) and (B) because both are trying to compare a volume of sales to last year.

I eliminate (E) because the analyst "predicted".. so "would" is more appropriate.

I have no idea how I can eliminate (C) and (D)
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in some question i have read that"predicted" itself used to show possibility and no need to use "would" again".....use of "will" is correct.... but here in option "D" ....both " predicted" and "would" is there....isn't it redundant.
Please help.
Interesting...if you can dig out that question from your memory, I would be very interested in looking at it.
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Hi EducationAisle,

1. Although this was posted long way back, i also think that ''predicted'' and ''would'' in the same sentence is redundant:
Below is one OG example. Here as explained by experts, ''would'' is redundant.

Ques: At the end of 2001, motion picture industry representatives said that there were about a million copies of Hollywood movies available...

Incorrect (D): online, and that they expected the increase of piracy as high-speed Internet connections would become more widely available

Correct (E): online, and that they expected piracy to increase as high-speed Internet connections became more widely available


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2. Although i got this ques correct, i request you to help me understand the verb tense used in non-underlined part of the question:

''One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced....

If estimation was made been made in the past, why are we using ''present perfect''?

Present perfect is used to connect past to present, but the estimation was done of the something already completed(experienced declining sales) right?
And if the estimation is about future, the why not use ''would''(future in past)?

Thanks :please:
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Incorrect (D): online, and that they expected the increase of piracy as high-speed Internet connections would become more widely available

Correct (E): online, and that they expected piracy to increase as high-speed Internet connections became more widely available

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Refer to this post on why the usage of "would" is incorrect in the above sentence.

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2. Although i got this ques correct, i request you to help me understand the verb tense used in non-underlined part of the question:

''One analyst of the liquor industry estimated that this year a few liquor stores have experienced....

If estimation was made been made in the past, why are we using ''present perfect''?

Present perfect is used to connect past to present, but the estimation was done of the something already completed(experienced declining sales) right?
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Agree with you. I would have been more comfortable with "has estimated". Let's see what others have to comment on this.

Thankfully both estimated and have experienced are in the non-underlined portion and so, GMAT is not really asking us to make a choice on the basis of these tenses.

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Oh no...the intent is clear "this year a few liquor stores have experienced declining sales" is a thing of the past, while "the industry as a whole would maintain a volume of sales fairly close to last year’s" is a prediction about the future and hence, the usage of would.
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in some question i have read that"predicted" itself used to show possibility and no need to use "would" again".....use of "will" is correct.... but here in option "D" ....both " predicted" and "would" is there....isn't it redundant.
Please help.
Interesting...if you can dig out that question from your memory, I would be very interested in looking at it.
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I was also in the same perception, but there is one more thing to it.
Here's the question: https://gmatclub.com/forum/analysts-and ... 21757.html

SO the theory is prediction done in the past-> followed by past tense (would)
prediction done in the present -> followed by future tense (will)
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SO the theory is prediction done in the past-> followed by past tense (would)
prediction done in the present -> followed by future tense (will)
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Yeah...but this is a very classical usage of "will/would" and is true for all cases (and not just prediction):

Mike said that he would work hard.

Mike says that he will work hard.
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