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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

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I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.
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09 Nov 2009, 11:06
....uses XXX(annual roadside counts) along bla bla[strike](for)[/strike] (to) [strike]monitoring[/strike] monitor

also "population changes" is WRONG
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09 Nov 2009, 11:11
That was not the point

original answer was AS ... AS... OR MORE ....

OA is : MORE !
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09 Nov 2009, 11:19
I think the confusion is coming from the use of "as many as" vs. "as many as ..or more than...". I think pierrealexandre77 is basically stating that "as many as" is not the same thing as "as many as...or more than..." While I agree with you that it does change the meeting, I think "as many as or more than" is incorrected grammar and sounds very awkward.
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09 Nov 2009, 11:22
11MBA,

I have currenly worked on 566 SC question... and I promise this "as many as, or more than" was the correct result of at least 5 or 6 SC question... It is then grammatically correct

The thing is... according to my experience, I chose an answer of this type... but I was wrong because the OA changed the meaning... that's confusing
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10 Nov 2009, 18:05
pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

[Reveal] Spoiler:

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

I would choose A, as I am very suspicious of C. The original sentence, whose meaning we cannot change, says that it should be possible for 250 species of birds to be monitored. But in choice C, we can't have that (unless there has been an error in the transcribing of the problem). Also, "changes in the populations" seems worse than "population changes."
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

[Reveal] Spoiler:

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

I chose C for this problem. Let me try to explain the difference between B and C:

b) population changes of ----> the noun here is "changes", so it's wrong to say "changes of" is wrong because not idiomatic
c) changes in the populations of -----> "populations of" is idiomatic

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03 Dec 2009, 08:37
I also hesitated between B and C. Option B retains the original meaning, but suffers from an unidiomatic phrase. C, on the other hand, has the correct idiom, but loses the original meaning.
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17 Dec 2009, 19:45
I narrowed to B vs C. But i agree that the OA i.e C seems to be wierd. C is changing the meaning of the sentence.

As per B : as many, or : this means >= i.e greater than equal to 250 bird
As per C : of more than : This means > i.e greater than 250 bird

On the contrary, i agree that "changes in populations" is more appropriate than "poulation changes"

What do people say about "populations"
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13 Jan 2010, 14:23
B uses unidiomatic expression: as many. i think it needs as many as to completer comparision

That's why i chose C but i am still confused b/w b and c in meaning

Change in the population vs. population changes
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15 Jan 2010, 14:40
pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

[Reveal] Spoiler:

I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

C

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

D and E are incorrect because the routes don't do the monitoring.
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of Correct.... to monitor and no 'as many as more' present....
(D) that monitors population changes of Incorrect.... to monitor.. should be used..
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
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I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

In GMAT.... as many as or more is not correct and hence GMAT gives you the liberty to correct this....! Refer Manhattan SC Guide...
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Hi,

I think there is some problem with the phrase - changes in the populations.

It should be changes in the population.
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07 May 2010, 22:53
ykaiim wrote:
Hi,

I think there is some problem with the phrase - changes in the populations.

It should be changes in the population.

populationS is correct because this is a reference to the different populations of 250 or so species - thus, plural
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This is a tough one. Thanks for all the discussion!
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(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
for monitoring---incorrect idiom

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
as many -- incorrect idiom

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
Correct

(D) that monitors population changes of
" that " illogically refers to established routes ( seems routes are monitoring the changes)

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or
" that " illogically refers to established routes
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Good work and best way to learn.

Keep this momentum.

dixitraghav wrote:
(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
for monitoring---incorrect idiom

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
as many -- incorrect idiom

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
Correct

(D) that monitors population changes of
" that " illogically refers to established routes ( seems routes are monitoring the changes)

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or
" that " illogically refers to established routes

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18 May 2010, 22:40
yes C for me too

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

here "as many, or more" ...is wordy and redundant ....thus we should eliminate this choice
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Is there any idiom that follows something similar to as many as, or more, or would you just say "greater than"? or "more than"
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