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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.


(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of

(D) that monitors population changes of

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or


I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.

Originally posted by pierrealexandre77 on 09 Nov 2009, 10:50.
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of Correct.... to monitor and no 'as many as more' present....
(D) that monitors population changes of Incorrect.... to monitor.. should be used..
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or - INCORRECT .... as many as or more... is not correct!
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

Official Answer: C


I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.


I chose C for this problem. Let me try to explain the difference between B and C:

b) population changes of ----> the noun here is "changes", so it's wrong to say "changes of" is wrong because not idiomatic
c) changes in the populations of -----> "populations of" is idiomatic

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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

Official Answer: C


I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.


C


(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or

D and E are incorrect because the routes don't do the monitoring.
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I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.


In GMAT.... as many as or more is not correct and hence GMAT gives you the liberty to correct this....! Refer Manhattan SC Guide...
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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
Wrong. "use X to monitor Y" is correct. "use X for monitoring Y" is not correct when we want to convey purpose of action.

(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
Wrong. "as many, or more than" is wrong. ==> Correct structure is "as many as, or more than".

(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
Correct. "use X to monitor Y" is correct. Infinitive conveys better meaning than gerund.

(D) that monitors population changes of
Wrong. "that" modifies the CLOSET noun - established routes --> wrong because routes can't monitor population changes.

(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or
Wrong. Same as D.

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pierrealexandre77 wrote:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

(A) for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of
(B) to monitor population changes of as many, or
(C) to monitor changes in the populations of
(D) that monitors population changes of
(E) that monitors changes in populations of as many as, or


I'm quite confused with this SC question. It seems that OA is modifying the meaning of the original sentence.
as many as or more than is not equal to more than...

Even if the contruction seems good, i'm really surprised such a question could have validated a change in the meaning.


I stumbled upon this golden post in MGMAT.
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/foru ... 17266.html

It says - as many as would imply less than or equal to 250 whereas more than would imply greater than 250. Thus, A is not saying anything. Therefore the original sentence is illogical!
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Can you clarify why option d and e are wrong. I understand that the "to+verb" is used to express purpose but some of the posts here mention that the "that" seems to refer to routes. However "that" is a singular pronoun and as such can only refer to the survey.
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@daagh : please check, whether "changes in populations of" is correct.
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@daagh : please check, whether "changes in populations of" is correct.




Hello IIMC,


I am not sure of you still have the same doubt. Here is my two cents nonetheless. :-)

The expression changes in the populations of has been used in the correct answer choice of the said official sentence. This means that it is a correct expression.

The word populations has been used to refer to population of more than 250 bird bird species, each species having individual population.


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egmat

Can you clarify why option d and e are wrong. I understand that the "to+verb" is used to express purpose but some of the posts here mention that the "that" seems to refer to routes. However "that" is a singular pronoun and as such can only refer to the survey.




Hello rishi02,


I know this a very old doubt. However, the reply may just help someone who may have the similar doubt. :-)


When that is used as a relative pronoun modifier to modify the preceding noun entity, it can modify both singular and plural noun entity. When used just as a pronoun to refer to a noun or a pronoun in the sentence, that acts as singular pronoun and as such refers only to a singular noun entity.


In the official sentence in discussion, that has been used as the noun modifier in Choices D and E.

In both these choices, that is meant to modify the noun entity annual roadside counts along established routes. So essentially, that modifies the plural noun annual roadside counts**. Hence it must take plural verb. But in Choices D and E, that takes singular verb monitors. Hence, we do have SV number agreement error here.



** Here, we see the case of far-away noun modification by the noun modifier that that modifies the noun entity placed a bit far-away from the modifier. This is absolutely correct modification. How this modification works has been covered in great details in our very popular article named Noun Modifiers can modify a slightly far-away Noun in the following link:
https://gmatclub.com/forum/noun-modifiers-can-modify-slightly-far-away-noun-135868.html



Hope this helps. :-)
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Since monitors is followed by 'that' in choice D, I'm sure that 'that' is not referring to routes. From the meaning point of view it is clear that it is the Breeding Bird Survey that's monitoring the changes in the populations of 250 bird species.

How can 'that' jump over a verb 'uses'. Is this the reason that this choice is incorrect ?

Please help me with the reason for eliminating choice D. generis

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Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside counts along established routes for monitoring of population changes of as many as, or of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.
(D) that monitors population changes of

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Since monitors is followed by 'that' in choice D, I'm sure that 'that' is not referring to routes. From the meaning point of view it is clear that it is the Breeding Bird Survey that's monitoring the changes in the populations of 250 bird species.

How can 'that' jump over a verb 'uses'. Is this the reason that this choice is incorrect ?

Please help me with the reason for eliminating choice D. generis

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I'm sure that 'that' is not referring to routes.

True. But that IS referring to counts.
Counts are tallies.

In the noun phrase annual roadside counts along established routes, the main noun is counts.
-- Annual and roadside are adjectives.
Every year on the side of the road, machines or people conduct (take) counts of birds.
-- along established routes is a prepositional modifier of counts that tells us where these counts (tallies) are located.
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From the meaning point of view it is clear that it is the Breeding Bird Survey that's monitoring the changes in the populations of 250 bird species.

Careful. The Breeding Bird Survey is not itself a monitoring device.
How does the Breeding Bird Survey actually DO the monitoring?
You missed the word uses.
. . . the Breeding Bird Survey uses [annual roadside counts along . . ]

X uses Y to Z.
-- The BB Survey uses counts to monitor birds.

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How can 'that' jump over a verb 'uses'. Is this the reason that this choice is incorrect ?

The word "that" does not jump over any verb.
That refers to counts.

Verbs such as use require an object. ("transitive verb")
Wrong: To monitor species, the Bird Survey uses.
Correct: To monitor species, the Bird Survey uses counts (tally systems).

Here is (D) in the sentence:
Organized in 1966 by the Fish and Wildlife Service, the Breeding Bird Survey uses annual roadside COUNTS [PLURAL] along established routes that monitors [SINGULAR] population changes of more than 250 bird species, including 180 songbirds.

Count is rarely a noun except in phrases such as head count.
Counts, plural, may sound even more strange in its noun form.
Counts are tallies—action nouns.

We might not know that counts is a noun.
But it cannot be a verb; it has no subject, and we need a direct object for uses.

Hence we know that somewhere between uses and that, there must be a noun.
Uses requires an object, a something.
That is a pronoun that refers to a noun.

The Bird Survey uses
annual roadside counts along established routes
to monitor bird species.

The word counts is plural.
That refers to counts.
That is a relative pronoun, similar to who.

The verb in a relative [pronoun] clause must always agree with the antecedent of the relative pronoun.
-- That monitors is incorrect. The verb monitors is singular and does not agree with plural counts.
-- Wrong: Counts that monitors. Subject verb disagreement.
-- Correct: Counts that monitor.

Eliminate D on the basis of subject/verb disagreement.
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