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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   03 Mar 2016, 04:32
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Let’s see it this way. You are referring to the structural placement of the pronoun that. I have tried to explain through the meaning. What happens when the word just prior to the pronoun happens to be not so appropriate in comparison to some other potentially eligible choice? In my opinion, both the inanimate fixtures and furniture and the bygone styles are not dynamic enough to reverse a bygone trend and resurrect it. On the contrary, a live and kicking market can do the trick.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   03 Mar 2016, 09:24
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I have a query here. Can "THAT" refer to the far away noun "THE MARKET" as the case here? Can you please help me on understanding the usage of THAT here, in this sentence.? Thanks.

daagh has already explained this from multiple perspectives.

Adding further, that, when used as a relative pronoun, can in fact refer to quite faraway nouns!

Following is an official question:

Written in ink or engraved by stylus, more than 2,000 letters and documents on wooden tablets excavated at the site of the old roman fort at vindolanda in northern England are yielding a historical account of the military garrison in the first and second centuries that is as vivid in its details of personal life as that gathered from Pompeii

Notice how that is modifying a really faraway noun: historical account.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses the usage of that, its application and examples in significant detail. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id, I can mail the corresponding section.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   03 Mar 2016, 20:28
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I have a query here. Can "THAT" refer to the far away noun "THE MARKET" as the case here? Can you please help me on understanding the usage of THAT here, in this sentence.? Thanks.

daagh has already explained this from multiple perspectives.

Adding further, that, when used as a relative pronoun, can in fact refer to quite faraway nouns!

Following is an official question:

Written in ink or engraved by stylus, more than 2,000 letters and documents on wooden tablets excavated at the site of the old roman fort at vindolanda in northern England are yielding a historical account of the military garrison in the first and second centuries that is as vivid in its details of personal life as that gathered from Pompeii

Notice how that is modifying a really faraway noun: historical account.


p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses the usage of that, its application and examples in significant detail. If someone is interested, PM me your email-id, I can mail the corresponding section.


Thanks EducationAisle.
From a grammatical standpoint, If we see a 'that' pronoun, should we ignore the nouns in the prepositional phrase preceding it ? Or there can be counter examples where that can actually refer to the noun in the preceding prepositional phrase. I have come up with an example below.

I bought a house in the town that is close to the sea beach

It causes some ambiguity right? Is house close close to beach or is it that it in a town that is close to the beach?
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If we see a 'that' pronoun, should we ignore the nouns in the prepositional phrase preceding it ?

Not at all. There is pretty much no role of prepositional phrases, when you're looking at finding out the antecedent of that.

As I mentioned in my previous post, if you could PM me your mail id, I can send you the relevant section from our book. I can guarantee that you would never again go wrong with the usage of that :).

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I bought a house in the town that is close to the sea beach

It causes some ambiguity right? Is house close close to beach or is it that it in a town that is close to the beach?

I would say that it's very clear that the town is close to the sea beach.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   24 Jul 2016, 18:18
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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.
(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring

The answer is (B). I have no problem with the meaning of this choice, but what is things antique. I can't understand its meaning or its structure: Noun + ADJ ???


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I think a comma is missing.
Out of America's fascination with all things , antique

Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

Out of America's fascination with all [u]things is subordinate clause
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   25 Jul 2016, 15:50
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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.
(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring

The answer is (B). I have no problem with the meaning of this choice, but what is things antique. I can't understand its meaning or its structure: Noun + ADJ ???


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I think a comma is missing.
Out of America's fascination with all things , antique

Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

Out of America's fascination with all [u]things is subordinate clause


The sentence is alright, comma is not required. The meaning of this sentence is as follows:

A market has grown out of America's fascination with things THAT ARE antique.

It is stylistically acceptable to omit "that are".

Second, "Out of America's fascination with all things" is NOT a clause at all - there is no verb in this part. It is a prepositional phrase.

Moreover this sentence becomes even more tricky because of the subject-verb flip. The subject "a market" comes AFTER the verb "has grown".
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   13 Oct 2016, 06:03
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To understand this question in its logical perspective, one needs to appreciate that the shows themselves create the interest by virtue of their sensational nature and therefore people throng to see them. Therefore, it is clear that the shows entice people. Then a demand emerges and the commercial people step in to cash in on the ready-made boom to make easy money. Therefore, the booming market is the end of the chain and not the beginning.
If this tenet is clear, then this can be easily solved. Here the verb has to be plural either -are bringing or a simple present tense bring. It is now the importance of the increasing frequency can be realized. It a frequently changing one means that it is a dynamic factor and an on- going affair. What better way could be there than to describe in a progressive tense—namely, are bringing. Please also note that choice B meticulously abides by the touch rule of relative pronoun. Therefore, B is the best IMO.
Kaplan’ choice of D as the official answer is understandable, considering Kaplan’s fancy for gaining popularity more through controversies than through logic


I agree with you, this is a variation of an official guide question:
“Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.”

In this sentence, the relative pronoun “that” could refer to the previous noun –fixtures- or nouns –furniture and fixtures- , yet it could also refer to the nucleus of the noun – styles or market.

In this case, by context, the pronoun “that” can only refer to market, so the subject of the clause is singular.

However, in this variation, “which” could refer to both market and shows, making the sentence ambiguous. If I had to pick one, I would pick “shows” –choice B- because it is next to “which”.

I have seen many variations of original questions, and the people who make these variations do not always take into account possible changes in syntax.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   29 Jun 2017, 05:42
Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.
(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring

Since "fascination" needs a "has" being singular instead of "have" - A, D are out
"bringing" is preferred over "that bring" because anything after "that" modifies what is immediately preceding "that", in this case "fixtures" which is incorrect as it is the "America´s fascination. that is bringing" .. "bringing" modifies the clause and hence option B is correct
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   29 Jun 2017, 06:57
The original as such is very confusing and convoluted .
The answer to such question becomes easy if we paraphrase the original sentence .
A market has grown out of America's fascination with all things antique for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.
Now i think the subject becomes very clear and it is singular so we need singular verb.
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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.
(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring


Hi,

Let me try to help in this question.

Option B,
Out of America's fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

RESTRUCTURING THE INVERTED SENTENCE STRUCTURE SO THAT IT MAKES MORE SENSE :

A market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures has grown out of America's fascination with all things [that are] antique that is bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

I hope this restructuring of the option B clears the confusion for this question.

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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   06 Mar 2018, 13:52
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Question No.: SC 116
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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing

(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing

(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring

(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing

(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring


This is a tricky question because the subject appears AFTER the verb.

In most sentences, the verb appears after the subject.
Example: Yesterday, Jane bought five acres of ocean floor.


The primary verb phrase is has/have grown.

To determine the subject that corresponds with this verb phrase, we'll ask the question "What has grown?"

The market (for antiques) has

So, market is the SUBJECT corresponding to the verb phrase has/have grown.

Since market is singular, we need the singular verb phrase has grown
This means we can ELIMINATE A and D

At this point, we can ignore some of the "fluff" to help us identify the correct answer.
Notice that for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures is a prepositional phrase that modifies the subject market. So, let's ignore it as we check the remaining answer choices.

B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing
Looks good, the singular subject, market, is paired with the singular verb phrase is bringing

C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
No good.
The singular subject, market, is paired with the plural verb bring
ELIMINATE C

E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
No good, the singular subject, market, is paired with the plural verb bring
ELIMINATE E

The correct answer is B

By the way, we have a free video on ignoring the "fluff" in sentences: https://www.gmatprepnow.com/module/gmat- ... on?id=1158

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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   23 May 2018, 02:23
I would request mr daagh to reply, how can that refer back to fascination.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   30 Jul 2018, 06:17
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I would request mr daagh to reply, how can that refer back to fascination.
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'That' is refering to the 'market'.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   04 Jun 2019, 15:22
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Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

Split 1 "Has grown" is correct as the subject = the market.

(A) things antique have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing
(D) antique things have grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that are bringing

Split 2 - Incorrect verb in relative clause.
Note: the subject of this relative clause is still MARKET. "for bygone styles..." is a prepositional phrase

The verb we want needs to be singular.
(C) things that are antiques has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring
(E) antique things has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that bring


(B) things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing

B is correct
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   29 Aug 2019, 13:46
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That always modifies the noun before it. In this question, shouldn't "fixtures that are bringing" be correct?
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That always modifies the noun before it. In this question, shouldn't "fixtures that are bringing" be correct?
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Hi Himanshurajawat, maybe I can help.

Here, the relative pronoun "that" modifies "market" as it is the market itself that brings back the lounge, sofa etc... the lounge sofa etc. are just examples of the furniture contained in the market, so logically that must only modify "market".

To make this easier to see notice that "for bygone styles ..." is a prepositional modifier that also attaches to market. We can actually remove this and the sentence will still make sense.

Try to think of this more logically. It would be illogical to say the "furniture and fixtures bring back the <example of a furniture">"

This would be akin to saying
"Out of America's fascination with all things fast food have grown a restaurant for fatty burgers that are bringing back the whopper- burger, double-double burger and..."

So we would need to correct this
"Out of America's fascination with all things fast food has grown a restaurant for fatty burgers that is bringing back the whopper- burger, double-double burger and..."

hopefully my example makes more sense.
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That always modifies the noun before it. In this question, shouldn't "fixtures that are bringing" be correct?
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And this is the reason we should focus on logic. "that" usually modifies the noun before it. But this is an official question and here, that modifies a noun far away from it - a noun which matches it in number (singular "that is" with singular "market") and is reasonable in context (a market can bring back particular pieces of furniture).
Since the official question places 'that' far away from its noun, there is no debate.

Originally posted by KarishmaB on 05 Sep 2019, 03:37.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   04 Nov 2020, 10:56
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As you can see, its now easier to figure out the right answer.
fascination->singular->has
market->singular->is

Actually it should be the other way round.

market->singular->has
fascination->singular->is

market...has grown.. and fascination ...is bringing back the chaise lounge, .....

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses inverted sentences. If you can PM you email-id, I can send you the corresponding section.

Hi EducationAisle
I am bit confused with the highlighted part! Are you saying that 'fascination' is the subject of IS? Could you clarify the matter, please?
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I am bit confused with the highlighted part! Are you saying that 'fascination' is the subject of IS? Could you clarify the matter, please?
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Hi TheUltimateWinner, I can understand how this could lead to confusion.

Out of America's fascination with all things antique has grown a market for bygone styles of furniture and fixtures that is bringing bringing back the chaise lounge, the overstuffed sofa, and the claw-footed bathtub.

So, it's like this:

Market...has grown...

Market...is bringing back...

Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Out of America's fascination with all things antique have grown a [#permalink] New post   07 Nov 2021, 22:36
GMATNinja, egmat, GMATninja2 hi, I thought antique as the subject here and based on that I have chosen option B, but the subject here is a market, which is after a verb. can u please explain y it is the subject? also can u please provide a few more examples of this sort where the verb precedes the subject.
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