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Hello Mike

Thank you for the detailed explanation - I would still say that I am not fully convinced by the "every intelligent person" ideology. I am still 25 and had only had exposure to so many sciences and hence knowledge for me to be in the intelligent set. My firm belief when I step in for my GMAT would be to read the question stem and try to get whatever I can get out of it (not applying anything I personally know about the topic)

Cheers again for the explanation!
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Hello Mike

I am still not able to digest this logic - Given that we are being asked for a conclusion, we are assuming a lot of things here:
1. The virus is passive. We don't know as to whether the vaccine terminated the virus or rendered it passive only
2. Passive virus cannot become active (in one individual and spread in adults) and hence can only affect children. For e.g. if instead of children in option A, if we would have said older population (may be they lost immunity), will this option still be a correct one

In what I've learned so far for conclusion questions --> Whatever exists in the stem is truth in entirety and hence I am skeptical on the reasoning you have provided.

Would be happy to hear from you.

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Dear rsaahil90,
I'm happy to help. :-) I think, in part, the problem is that you don't understand the basics of vaccines and viruses.

Right now, in all likelihood, you and I and most of the people we know have the polio virus in our bodies. We got the virus sometime during our lives, but because we were fortunate to get the polio vaccine when we were young, our immune system is educated about how to fight the polio virus, so we never developed any of the symptoms of polio. You see, a vaccine does not terminate a virus: a vaccine does nothing directly to the virus itself. The job of a vaccine is to educate the human immune system, as it were to "teach" the immune system how to fight a disease, so that we don't have to go through having the disease. Every vaccine you and I have received has taught out how to fight those particular viruses (polio, mumps, measles, diphtheria, etc.) In all likelihood, we have encountered all these virus during our lives and may carry these viruses in our body. Because our immune systems know how to fight these diseases, we don't get these diseases, but the viruses are there, and theoretically, at any time we could infect an unvaccinated person, if we ever were to encounter one.
So far as I know, the immunity that one gets from vaccines does not diminish in old age---old folks have other immune problems, but I have never heard of an old person getting polio or mumps or measles or etc. after they had been vaccinated in youth.
The word "passive" in this context is not a medical term: I was simply trying to describe the situation of these viruses in our bodies: they are present but they don't make us sick. Once again, if the virus is present, then even though I am not sick, I could be carrying it and could infect someone else, if that other person had not been vaccinated.

Once again, all this is not specialized knowledge. The details of exactly how a vaccine works, exactly how vaccines are manufactured, the biochemistry of the immune system's response to them---all that is specialized biological knowledge. The overview I have given, by contrast, is something that every intelligent person should know. Every intelligent person should know that antibiotics kill bacteria but have zero effect on viruses. Similarly, everyone should know that a vaccine enhances the human immune system, enabling the immune system to fight a virus, but the vaccine itself does zero to the virus. No medicine and no drug can fight a virus: the most drugs can do is manage symptoms. If a virus is in, say a pot of water, we can destroy the virus by boiling the water. We can destroy virus outside the body by heat or chemical means, but a virus inside the body is considerably harder to fight. Basically, the only thing on Earth that we know that can fight and destroy a virus inside us is the human immune system itself, and vaccines brilliantly harness this power of the immune system to fight particular viruses. Once again, all this is in the realm that every intelligent person should know, and this "background knowledge" is crucial for understanding GMAT CR questions.

Does all this make sense?
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New post 06 Apr 2016, 19:55
Hi mikemcgarry

(in line with what rsaahil90 and a few others brought up)

This question has led me into thinking about a very basics issue of GMAT CR- 'Till what extent can we bring in our real world knowledge while answering a CR question??'

This question can be answered correctly even if we ignore 90% of the info that is given in the passage and consider only the portion of it that says - 'state hospitals have cut costs by no longer administering this vaccine'. And, didnt we actually answer it this way?? This was only possible because we know from the real world that if a vaccine is discontinued, those who never received it would be at risk.

U see, most part of the discussion on this thread has been dealing with 'real world knowledge', for instance, the discussion on 'Smallpox'. The moment i see something other than the question itself being discussed (vaccinations, in this case), and it makes me feel 'Thank God! we'r finally into the real world now... but wait, my test isnt done yet and i'm drifting away from the high-endurance-demanding-CR-mindset :)'

Please help me here. Are we expected to have and apply this knowledge about vaccination?

BTW, how do I answer this question if I am not aware that 'Vaccination is given at an early age'?

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Hi mikemcgarry

(in line with what rsaahil90 and a few others brought up)

This question has led me into thinking about a very basics issue of GMAT CR- 'Till what extent can we bring in our real world knowledge while answering a CR question??'

This question can be answered correctly even if we ignore 90% of the info that is given in the passage and consider only the portion of it that says - 'state hospitals have cut costs by no longer administering this vaccine'. And, didnt we actually answer it this way?? This was only possible because we know from the real world that if a vaccine is discontinued, those who never received it would be at risk.

U see, most part of the discussion on this thread has been dealing with 'real world knowledge', for instance, the discussion on 'Smallpox'. The moment i see something other than the question itself being discussed (vaccinations, in this case), and it makes me feel 'Thank God! we'r finally into the real world now... but wait, my test isnt done yet and i'm drifting away from the high-endurance-demanding-CR-mindset :)'

Please help me here. Are we expected to have and apply this knowledge about vaccination?

BTW, how do I answer this question if I am not aware that 'Vaccination is given at an early age'?

Thanks!

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i'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, the GMAT is designed to prepare you for business school, which in turn is designed to prepare you for the business world. If you are not conversant in commonly known facts about the real world, you will flounder in the business world. If B-school adcom senses that you don't have a keen understanding of basic real world issues, you will not be an attractive candidate even if you have an 800 on the GMAT. This is about much much more than performance on the GMAT CR.

If you make a dichotomy between CR-intelligence and real-world intelligence, you do not truly understand the nature of the CR. It's not about leaving one way of thinking and drawing on a completely different way of thinking. Instead, it's about developing an intelligence in which logic and real-world instincts function seamlessly.

Of course, you do not need to be an expert about vaccines. You do not need to know their history, their biological mechanism. You just need to have the basic idea: almost everyone in the modern world gets vaccines in infancy. Parents regularly do this for their kids. Why? What does getting a vaccine do? What would happen if one didn't get it?

Think about it. Think about any activity that over 90% of the population does, and think about the motivations and economics of that. Entertainment is a huge industry: how much money is spent and where does the money go? Lots of people drive: how does registering a car work? how does a drivers license work? From whence does the food in your grocery store come? Who paves the roads and who pays those people to do so? Where does the water in your house come from, and where does the waste water go? Part of preparing for the GMAT and for business school involves developing a curiosity about the economic systems all around us. You want to go to business school and be an expert in business? Well, business is happening everyday all around you. Money is being exchanged for hundreds of different reasons. Part of understanding business means getting curious about all that.

You can learn a lot simply by reading the business news: the WSJ, the Financial Times, Bloomberg, etc. You can also learn a lot by talking to people who are 20-30 years older than you: what are their motivations and concerns? What insights can they provide simply from their lived experience?

Will you see a question on the GMAT about vaccines? Probably not. Will you see a CR question that somehow involves some real-world economic activity that happens in your immediate environment every day? Quite likely. The more you have instincts for that real-world activity, the easier the CR question will be for you.

I will suggest this blog:
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The links at the end of that article provide a kind of primer about different categories of real world knowledge that could be helpful on the GMAT.

Does all this make sense?
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Answer is A
A very good question .
A and C are close contenders .
Lets take a close look at C
C) Tacitus’ Disease is a much deadlier disease than Salicetiococcus, and has a correspondingly higher fatality rate .
This may be true for Tacitus but we do know that vaccine program should be started again and and does tell us whether it might spread again.

A hits nail on the head as it gives us evidence that if vaccine program for Tacitus is not restarted children will suffer from disease.
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How can we be so sure that the disease will definitely arrive for young children. The word "will" is very strong in option A.

Thanks, Jai

Dear Jai,
I'm happy to respond. :-)
Public Health Official: After several years of vaccinating all of the citizens of this state for Tacitus’ Disease, a highly infectious virus, state hospitals have cut costs by no longer administering this vaccine, starting at the beginning of this year. A state senator defended the position, arguing that after several years with zero incidence of the disease in the state, its citizens were no longer at risk. This is a flawed argument. Our state imports meats and produce from countries with high incidences of diseases for which our country has vaccines. Three years ago, when we reduced the use of the Salicetiococcus vaccines, a small outbreak of Salicetiococcus among young children, fortunately without fatalities, encouraged us to resume use of the vaccines at the previous levels.

Yes, the word "will" is a strong word, but we absolutely know this to be the case. You see, we know that Tacitus’ Disease is "a highly infectious virus," which means people get it very easily. It appears that the only reason Tacitus’ Disease hasn't be active for years is that the entire population has been vaccinated. Keep in mind, people who are vaccinated can carry the virus, but they simply don't get sick from it. In all likelihood, the vast majority of members of this population are passive carriers of the virus, so in all likelihood, the virus is still present in the population. If the authorities stop the vaccinations, then the children born after that time will be without any protection against this highly infectious disease. We can't say for sure that the children will get the disease, but it would seem that the probability is very high. We can say for sure that they are at risk. Any time someone is exposed to any danger without sufficient protection, by definition, they are "at risk." Infectious disease, no vaccination --- that's "at risk."

Does all this make sense?
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Isnt it a big assumption?

Keep in mind, people who are vaccinated can carry the virus, but they simply don't get sick from it. In all likelihood, the vast majority of members of this population are passive carriers of the virus, so in all likelihood, the virus is still present in the population.

Suppose I dont belong to any medical profession how do i know that people can carry virus even after vaccination? question stem doesn't say this.
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Isnt it a big assumption?

Keep in mind, people who are vaccinated can carry the virus, but they simply don't get sick from it. In all likelihood, the vast majority of members of this population are passive carriers of the virus, so in all likelihood, the virus is still present in the population.

Suppose I dont belong to any medical profession how do i know that people can carry virus even after vaccination? question stem doesn't say this.

Dear ramsahoo,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, many students think that the only information they need is what exists in the prompt. This is a big misconception about the GMAT CR. You don't need to have detailed specialized knowledge, but you absolutely need to have a basic appreciation for real world facts, especially facts about the business world. See:
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Think about it. The GMAT CR is about preparing you for the business world, because executives have to evaluate arguments all the time. If you read an article or hear a presentation saying, for example, that X is a good thing, you are not simply responsible for what the article or presentation says. As a business executive, you will have to have an appreciation of the larger forces at work in the market, to decide how to evaluate that argument.

For this question, you don't need to have a medical student's understanding of the mechanisms of vaccines. Think about it. You probably have gotten many vaccines when you were young. Probably so did everyone else that you know. Get curious. What have you and everyone else gotten? How do it work? Why do people use vaccines? Read a Wikipedia article about it. Talk to someone who has more knowledge than you. Do whatever you can to learn about the world around you.

The mindset of mediocrity says, "I didn't know I was responsible to know that." The mindset of excellence is all about learning as much as possible about the world around us. If you have a rich understanding of the real world and of the business world, you will be very successful in GMAT CR, in B school, and in your career.

Does all this make sense?
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" all of the citizens" is the main conclusion => A is correct b/c A directly links with the conclusion.
C is a trap. Although the argument talks about Salicetiococcus, the argument only mentions a similar case; therefore, the argument itself is not out of scope. Also, the argument never talks about the fatality rate => C is wrong.
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Public Health Official: After several years of vaccinating all of the citizens of this state for Tacitus’ Disease, a highly infectious virus, state hospitals have cut costs by no longer administering this vaccine, starting at the beginning of this year. A state senator defended the position, arguing that after several years with zero incidence of the disease in the state, its citizens were no longer at risk. This is a flawed argument. Our state imports meats and produce from countries with high incidences of diseases for which our country has vaccines. Three years ago, when we reduced the use of the Salicetiococcus vaccines, a small outbreak of Salicetiococcus among young children, fortunately without fatalities, encouraged us to resume use of the vaccines at the previous levels.

The public health official’s statements, if true, best support which of the following as a conclusion?
(A) Young children of the state will be at risk for Tacitus’ Disease. -Correct. The children as they got infected by other type of virus, will also get infected by this virus if the vaccination is stopped.
(B) Some of the meats imported to this state do not have adequate refrigeration during the shipping process. -refrigeration? Out of scope
(C) Tacitus’ Disease is a much deadlier disease than Salicetiococcus, and has a correspondingly higher fatality rate. -fatality rate? out of scope
(D) No food products produced within the state bear any contaminants that could lead to either Tacitus’ Disease or Salicetiococcus. -Tricky, close contender. The passage states that the mean imported from outside may be contaminated. But it doesn't say that the food prepared in the country cannot be contaminated.
(E) The cost of providing all citizens of the state with the Tacitus’ Disease vaccine places an undue burden on the budget of state health agencies. -cost? out of scope
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Just add to that . On magoosh this question is added as 'very hard' with a pace avg around 2:06. This means most of the people face a lot of issue while solving this one. and in that order this is a 700 level question. this can happen with GMAC too. if a question is easy for someone but still 700 level it means its not easy for major population.

IMHO, difficulty of a question is a relative term. it might be possible question such as this came at last of your test and reading such huge question is not a good idea, rather take a risk guess and move on.
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The credited answer is (A). We know the citizenry currently is immune because of the vaccine. If they stop immunizing folks, the unvaccinated ones, i.e. the young children, would be vulnerable to this "highly infectious" diseases. We don't know for sure that they will definitely get Tacitus' Diseases, but we certainly know that their unvaccinated immune systems would be "at risk" for it. This is a well-supported conclusion.

Choice (B) is tempting. We know the countries that export meat & produce to this state have many of these diseases. It is suggested that these imports could constitute a vector for Tacitus' disease into the state. We don't know whether diseases could be introduced through these imports, but even if they are, there's no reason to conclude meats are unrefrigerated. Unrefrigerated meat spoils very quickly, which suggest that it never could be sold once it arrived here. Furthermore, refrigerator doesn't destroy viruses --- they can simply remain dormant until they thaw. We have no grounds for concluding this. (B) is incorrect.

Choice (C) is unsubstantiated: we have no way to compare the infection rates. (C) is incorrect.

Choice (D) might be tempting, but we just don't know. The whole population has been immune to Tacitus' disease for years, because they all have been vaccinated. We don't know by what pathways the Tacitus's disease virus might be entering the population. We have no reason to assume this. (D) is incorrect.

Choice (E) is not a solid conclusion. We know that it cost something for the state hospitals to provide the Tacitus' disease vaccine. Was this cost high? Did it place an economic burden on the state health services? We don't know. We have no grounds for drawing this specific conclusion. (E) is incorrect.
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The explanation provided seems to (to me) assume too many assumptions that link children to the T disease.
i got this wrong as i selected B.....

question 1: B is wrong because no where in the stimulus does it talk about imported food going bad during shipping.
So, in this case, given my failure to get to reason out, I shd have used POE to eliminate B, that wd have let A.

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Mansoor50 True you should have used POE for all questions. How ever the statement that you have rejected A, Cause it will take a lot many assumptions to be correct, seems over kill to me. I think even if it was an inference question we can select A for sure. If you stop vaccination then no new child will get any vaccination. So they will be vulnerable .

Also if you cant eliminate something on solid grounds, keep it till last. Remember, your aim is to find 4 wrong choices.
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Mansoor50 True you should have used POE for all questions. How ever the statement that you have rejected A, Cause it will take a lot many assumptions to be correct, seems over kill to me. I think even if it was an inference question we can select A for sure. If you stop vaccination then no new child will get any vaccination. So they will be vulnerable .

Also if you cant eliminate something on solid grounds, keep it till last. Remember, your aim is to find 4 wrong choices.


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