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# QOTD: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville

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Environmentalist: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville creates unacceptable levels of air pollution and should be banned.

Milville business spokesperson: Snowmobiling brings many out-of-towners to Milville in winter months, to the great financial benefit of many local residents. So, economics dictate that we put up with the pollution.

Environmentalist: I disagree: A great many cross-country skiers are now kept from visiting Milville by the noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate.

Environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson by doing which of the following?

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.

B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.

C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.

D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

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Let's start by breaking down the exchange between the environmentalist and the business spokesperson:

The environmentalist says that snowmobiles should be banned because they create unacceptable levels of air pollution (eg an environmental concern).

The business spokesperson responds by saying that snowmobiles bring in many out-of-towners during the winter months, financially benefiting many local residents. The spokesperson then specifically acknowledges the environmental concern (ie does not disagree that snowmobiling causes air pollution) but maintains that the economic "pro" outweighs the environmental "con". Thus, the spokesperson concludes that economics dictate that the town should put up with the pollution.

The environmentalist then responds by stating that although snowmobiling may in fact bring in many people who want to snowmobile, snowmobiling keeps a great many cross-country skiers from visiting. This consequence has a negative impact on the economy, so the environmentalist concludes that economics do NOT dictate that the town should put up with the pollution.

Notice that the environmentalist does not dispute the spokesperson's claim that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners and thus has a positive economic consequence; rather, the environmentalist adds that snowmobiling also has a negative economic impact.

Now that we understand how the environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson, let's look at the answer choices:
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A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.

First, what are the "desirable outcomes" referenced in this passage? 1) financial benefit to local residents and 2) less air pollution. Where do those "desirable outcomes" come from? 1) from bringing in out-of-towners (ie snowmobilers or cross-country skiers) and 2) from banning snowmobiling.

Notice that the spokesperson's argument does not require the assumption that either desirable outcome comes from only one set of circumstances. The spokesperson simply notes that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners which creates a financial benefit, he/she does not imply that this is the only way to achieve that benefit. The environmentalist does not challenge this assumption because the spokesperson never makes that assumption. Choice (A) can be eliminated.

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B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.

As discussed in (A), less air pollution is a desirable outcome, but what is the negative aspect of this outcome? Well, in order to achieve it, the town would have to ban snowmobiling, preventing those out-of-towners (those who want to enjoy snowmobiling) from coming to town and financially benefiting the locals. According to the spokesperson, this negative outcome (less financial benefit from out-of-towners) outweighs the desirable outcome (less air pollution). The environmentalist challenges this assumption by pointing out an economic benefit that would occur if snowmobiling were banned: more cross-country skiers would come to town, creating a financial benefit and offsetting the negative economic impact assumed by the spokesperson. (B) is looking pretty good.

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C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.

The benefit that the spokesperson desires is financial benefit to the local residents. Although the environmentalist does imply that financial benefit can be created by a different means (ie banning snowmobiling and thus attracting more cross-country skiers), the environmentalist does NOT suggest that banning snowmobiling would achieve a GREATER degree of financial benefit than allowing snowmobiling.

The environmentalist is simply trying to demonstrate that the negative economic impact assumed by the spokesperson would not outweigh the positive environmental impact. This argument would hold up if both means created the same financial benefit. Choice (C) can be eliminated.

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D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.

Neither the spokesperson nor the environmentalist ever argues against the facts stated by the other person. Rather, each concedes the facts previously stated by the other person and simply adds new information to support a different conclusion. The environmentalist certainly does not claim that the spokesperson is "deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist's position," so choice (D) can be eliminated.

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E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

The environmentalist does not DENY that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners or that it creates a financial benefit to the local residents. The environmentalist simply presents an additional economic factor that the spokesperson did not mention: although snowmobiling may bring in many people who want to snowmobile (a financial positive for the locals), snowmobiling keeps a great many cross-country skiers from visiting (a financial negative for the locals).

Choice (E) can be eliminated, and we are left with (B).
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09 May 2017, 21:32
Tough one but will go with option B.

Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome (great financial benefit from Snowmobiling) is outweighed by negative aspects (noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate keep many cross-country skiers away from the town) associated with producing that outcome.
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Using POE

A--->Although an assumption is challenged its not about "desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances."

B--->Correct answer.The assumption is that negative aspect associated with banning the snowmobiles outweigh desirable outcome.

C--->"greater degree"-->no such claim is there and The information is put to challenge,not to provide an alternate mean

D--->Not true

E---->" great financial benefit of many local residents" He does not deny this information
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10 May 2017, 03:11
I would go with A for the very simple reason that the environmentalist contests spokesperson's idea that out-of-towners come for snowmobiling (set of circumstances), bringing revenue for the town (desirable outcome) by pointing out the loss of income as many cross-country skiers do not visit the town for increased pollution due to snowmobiling. This reasoning clearly implies that the desirable outcome of financial benefit can be fulfilled by another set of circumstances (banning snowmobiling -> inviting cross-country skiers -> sustaining or increasing the revenue for the town).

B in my opinion is a classic trap. It states: Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome (financial benefit) is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome (what are the negative aspects? Pollution or loss of financial benefit as skiers don't come to the town? Clearly, it cannot be the latter as financial benefit itself is the desirable outcome and its loss cannot be the negative aspect - has to be something else. Finally, if pollution is the negative aspect, then it is as good as ignoring the last statement by Environmentalist!)

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10 May 2017, 05:45
Using POE I've zeroed my answer on two options A and E. I'll finally go with E.

The environmentalist denies that the effects of bringing snowmobiles in the town have proved beneficial to the residents. The cross-country skiers don't come to the town because of the noise pollution.
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10 May 2017, 06:22
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Environmentalist: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville creates unacceptable levels of air pollution and should be banned.

Milville business spokesperson: Snowmobiling brings many out-of-towners to Milville in winter months, to the great financial benefit of many local residents. So, economics dictate that we put up with the pollution.

Environmentalist: I disagree: A great many cross-country skiers are now kept from visiting Milville by the noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate.

Environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson by doing which of the following?

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.

B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.

C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.

D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

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I vote for (C).
The environmentalist states that great many skier are kept from visiting Milville.
IMHO,it should be that there is some other mean to bring people in,while maintaining the acceptable level of noise and pollution.
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Environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson by doing which of the following?

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances. - there is no desired outcome

B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome. Seems good

C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means. there are no benefits spoken about

D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it. no misrepresentation at all

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people. irrelevant

Hence B

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10 May 2017, 07:36
I will go with A. The Env. challenges the assumption that a great financial benefit can only come by accepting the snowmobiling and the pollution it brings, by stating that this financial benefit can also come from another sources, such as the arrival of cross country skiers.
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Let's start by breaking down the exchange between the environmentalist and the business spokesperson:

The environmentalist says that snowmobiles should be banned because they create unacceptable levels of air pollution (eg an environmental concern).

The business spokesperson responds by saying that snowmobiles bring in many out-of-towners during the winter months, financially benefiting many local residents. The spokesperson then specifically acknowledges the environmental concern (ie does not disagree that snowmobiling causes air pollution) but maintains that the economic "pro" outweighs the environmental "con". Thus, the spokesperson concludes that economics dictate that the town should put up with the pollution.

The environmentalist then responds by stating that although snowmobiling may in fact bring in many people who want to snowmobile, snowmobiling keeps a great many cross-country skiers from visiting. This consequence has a negative impact on the economy, so the environmentalist concludes that economics do NOT dictate that the town should put up with the pollution.

Notice that the environmentalist does not dispute the spokesperson's claim that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners and thus has a positive economic consequence; rather, the environmentalist adds that snowmobiling also has a negative economic impact.

Now that we understand how the environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson, let's look at the answer choices:
Quote:
A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.

First, what are the "desirable outcomes" referenced in this passage? 1) financial benefit to local residents and 2) less air pollution. Where do those "desirable outcomes" come from? 1) from bringing in out-of-towners (ie snowmobilers or cross-country skiers) and 2) from banning snowmobiling.

Notice that the spokesperson's argument does not require the assumption that either desirable outcome comes from only one set of circumstances. The spokesperson simply notes that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners which creates a financial benefit, he/she does not imply that this is the only way to achieve that benefit. The environmentalist does not challenge this assumption because the spokesperson never makes that assumption. Choice (A) can be eliminated.

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B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.

As discussed in (A), less air pollution is a desirable outcome, but what is the negative aspect of this outcome? Well, in order to achieve it, the town would have to ban snowmobiling, preventing those out-of-towners (those who want to enjoy snowmobiling) from coming to town and financially benefiting the locals. According to the spokesperson, this negative outcome (less financial benefit from out-of-towners) outweighs the desirable outcome (less air pollution). The environmentalist challenges this assumption by pointing out an economic benefit that would occur if snowmobiling were banned: more cross-country skiers would come to town, creating a financial benefit and offsetting the negative economic impact assumed by the spokesperson. (B) is looking pretty good.

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C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.

The benefit that the spokesperson desires is financial benefit to the local residents. Although the environmentalist does imply that financial benefit can be created by a different means (ie banning snowmobiling and thus attracting more cross-country skiers), the environmentalist does NOT suggest that banning snowmobiling would achieve a GREATER degree of financial benefit than allowing snowmobiling.

The environmentalist is simply trying to demonstrate that the negative economic impact assumed by the spokesperson would not outweigh the positive environmental impact. This argument would hold up if both means created the same financial benefit. Choice (C) can be eliminated.

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D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.

Neither the spokesperson nor the environmentalist ever argues against the facts stated by the other person. Rather, each concedes the facts previously stated by the other person and simply adds new information to support a different conclusion. The environmentalist certainly does not claim that the spokesperson is "deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist's position," so choice (D) can be eliminated.

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E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

The environmentalist does not DENY that snowmobiling brings in out-of-towners or that it creates a financial benefit to the local residents. The environmentalist simply presents an additional economic factor that the spokesperson did not mention: although snowmobiling may bring in many people who want to snowmobile (a financial positive for the locals), snowmobiling keeps a great many cross-country skiers from visiting (a financial negative for the locals).

Choice (E) can be eliminated, and we are left with (B).

Great explanation! I answered A, but now I must concur that the spokesperson never assummed that there was only 1 set of circumstances.
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Tough one but will go with option B.

Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome (great financial benefit from Snowmobiling) is outweighed by negative aspects (noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate keep many cross-country skiers away from the town) associated with producing that outcome.

I do not get it,
1/ assumption is what is not explicitly stated
2/ why environmentalists challenge the idea that desirable outcome IS OUTWEIGHED by negative aspects. It should be "outweigh"
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Environmentalist: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville creates unacceptable levels of air pollution and should be banned.

Milville business spokesperson: Snowmobiling brings many out-of-towners to Milville in winter months, to the great financial benefit of many local residents. So, economics dictate that we put up with the pollution.

Environmentalist: I disagree: A great many cross-country skiers are now kept from visiting Milville by the noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate.

Environmentalist responds to the business spokesperson by doing which of the following?

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.

B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.

C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.

D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

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Not convinced by OA. E actually says what B says. The effect of financial benefit because of visitors is actually offset by prevention of coming of visitors because of pollution. B also says that. Also I cannot see an assumption being challenged as B says. What is the assumption? It is just stating of facts by the spokesperson
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Verbal Question of The Day: Day 7: Critical Reasoning

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Environmentalist: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville creates unacceptable levels of air pollution and should be banned.

Milville business spokesperson: Snowmobiling brings many out-of-towners to Milville in winter months, to the great financial benefit of many local residents. So, economics dictate that we put up with the pollution.

Environmentalist: I disagree: A great many cross-country skiers are now kept from visiting Milville by the noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate.

Pre thinking
Environmentalist:proposes an action
Spokesperson: responds by stating the ignored information
Environmentalist:find flaw in spokesperson info

Assumption of spokesperson
The out of Towner's does not cause any revenue loss in other sports activities.

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.
Environmentalist does challenge an assumption but does not propose any alternate circumstances
B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.
This is true as it clearly states that the revenue from one sport dotesnot compensate revenue losss from other sports.
C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.
Environmentalist finds flaw in the spokesperson argument but does not provide alternate solution.
D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.
Spokesperson doesn't attcj the environmentalist argument rather proposes an alternate advantage by stating the ignored facts.
E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.
Environmentalist does not deny anything rather attacks the spokesperson argument by stating ignored facts.
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souvik101990 wrote:

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Environmentalist: The use of snowmobiles in the vast park north of Milville creates unacceptable levels of air pollution and should be banned.

Milville business spokesperson: Snowmobiling brings many out-of-towners to Milville in winter months, to the great financial benefit of many local residents. So, economics dictate that we put up with the pollution.

Environmentalist: I disagree: A great many cross-country skiers are now kept from visiting Milville by the noise and pollution that snowmobiles generate.

Pre thinking
Environmentalist:proposes an action
Spokesperson: responds by stating the ignored information
Environmentalist:find flaw in spokesperson info

Assumption of spokesperson
The out of Towner's does not cause any revenue loss in other sports activities.

A) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome can derive from only one set of circumstances.
Environmentalist does challenge an assumption but does not propose any alternate circumstances
B) Challenging an assumption that certain desirable outcome is outweighed by negative aspects associated with producing that outcome.
This is true as it clearly states that the revenue from one sport dotesnot compensate revenue losss from other sports.
C) Maintaining that the benefit that the spokesperson desires could be achieved in greater degree by a different means.
Environmentalist finds flaw in the spokesperson argument but does not provide alternate solution.
D) Claiming that the spokesperson is deliberately misrepresenting the environmentalist’s position in order to be better able to attack it.
Spokesperson doesn't attcj the environmentalist argument rather proposes an alternate advantage by stating the ignored facts.
E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.
Environmentalist does not deny anything rather attacks the spokesperson argument by stating ignored facts.

I believe B should have some modifications.
"challenging assumption" means go against that assumption. Nevertheless, "certain desirable outcome...." is what is assumed by the economists.
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I believe B should have some modifications.
"challenging assumption" means go against that assumption. Nevertheless, "certain desirable outcome...." is what is assumed by the economists.

@chesstians: Can you please elaborate on what is the outcome desired by economists
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chesstitans wrote:

I believe B should have some modifications.
"challenging assumption" means go against that assumption. Nevertheless, "certain desirable outcome...." is what is assumed by the economists.

@chesstians: Can you please elaborate on what is the outcome desired by economists

I am talking about what is stated in B.
I believe B should remove the word "challenging"
Otherwise, if you read B carefully, B is completely contrasting to the assumption made by the economist because of "challenging"
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Dear Raguraman,

I agree about the assumption of the spokesperson but unless one wants to nitpick with semantics , one cannot find E saying anything different from what B says. In the context "denying" is just disagreeing with the argument of the spokesperson that there is financial benefit.

As a matter of fact the environmentalist's reply is mainly about disagreeing with the conclusion that there is financial benefit than challenging the assumption. Strictly speaking, taking something as true without proof is different from being oblivious of it. The former is properly called assumption while the latter is ignorance. We do not know which one it is. But in this case we can safely say that the environmentalist is disagreeing with the conclusion.
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I believe Option E is too narrow to choose

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

An effect: Financial gain
Certain group of people: the out of towners or local residents
those people: the the out of towners or local residents

1.Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit the out of towners had actually benefiited the out of towners

2.Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit the local residents had actually benefiited the the local residents

In the option Certain group of people and those peole can be either the out of towners or local residents cant be both

If the option E could have been as follows then, it might be correct

Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit that out of towners brought to local residents had actually benefited the the local residents

Please correct me if my thought process doesnt align with the context.
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01 Jul 2017, 08:01
RaguramanS wrote:
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Dear SravnaTestPrep
I believe Option E is too narrow to choose

E) Denying that an effect that the spokesperson presents as having benefited a certain group of people actually benefited those people.

An effect: Financial gain
Certain group of people: the out of towners or local residents
those people: the the out of towners or local residents

1.Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit the out of towners had actually benefiited the out of towners

2.Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit the local residents had actually benefiited the the local residents

In the option Certain group of people and those peole can be either the out of towners or local residents cant be both

If the option E could have been as follows then, it might be correct

Option E says The Environmentalist responds to spokesperson by disagreeing the fact that financial benefit that out of towners brought to local residents had actually benefited the the local residents

Please correct me if my thought process doesnt align with the context.

Dear Raguraman,

Thanks for responding. My understanding says that both certain group of people and those people refer to the local residents because of the context. The argument you might see is about the benefit to the local residents. So the reference is to the local residents.
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01 Jul 2017, 14:56
Folks,

I generally have a problem with many of the assumption questions. A true assumption should strictly follow given the premises and the conclusion. As I pointed out ignorance of facts or at the other extreme knowledge of more facts than the opponent can also be the cases instead of the supposed assumption.
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