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MartyMurray , Bunuel bb Is this a correct question ? Where is "quickly" mentioned ?

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Hi. Quickly is not mentioned anywhere but that’s part of the assumption, and this criticism question is an assumption-related question.

The real estate agent makes the assumption that real estate news and panic wheel drive down the price but it may take months or years for the prices to actually be impacted by similar news and frankly, we do not know if it takes Short or a long time but they argument made by the real estate agent implies that there is a fairly short notice relationship, meaning that within a few weeks the prices will change and buyers are postponing their purchases. They think that’s the reference to quickly.
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Conclusion of argument: pessimistic news will give rise to panic , and panic will induce a pressure to reduce prices

A. Is talking about other factors that could reduce the prices .
B.funding isn't related to the conclusion
C. Tells that pessimistic news is based on logic
D. The argument doesn't overlook , it infectious states that in the argument

A,B, C, D seems to be incorrect , and E has to be the right answer, although it seems not so appealing as a correct option
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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a  strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.

A. overlooks the possibility that Country X's real estate prices would probably fall soon even without any pessimistic news stories

What this choice describes is not a flaw because the argument doesn't have to address this possibility to work.

After all, even if prices would fall soon without pessimistic news stories, the fact of the matter is that there have been pessimistic news stories, and thus prices can be expected to fall because of those stories.

Eliminate.

B. assumes, without providing justification, that whether a person becomes a homebuyer or not depends heavily on personal financial factors

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument doesn't conclude anything about people becoming homebuyers or not or about personal financial factors. Rather, the conclusion is about what people who are planning to buy homes should do.

So, it doesn't assume anything about the backstory of what people becoming homebuyers depends on.

Eliminate.

C. takes for granted that the recent news stories are based on careful statistical research

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument does not depend on the assumption that the news stories are based on careful research. After all, regardless of what the stories are based on, as long as they are pessimistic and therefore cause downward pressure on prices, the conclusion makes sense.

Eliminate.

D. overlooks the possibility that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels

What this choice describes is not a flaw because, if it is possible that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels, then the argument works well. After all, the point of the argument is that people should buy when pessimistic news stories come out because prices will drop.

So, if prices may go to "very low levels," the advice is even better.

Eliminate.

E. takes for granted that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually affect those prices quickly

As discussed above, the argument's conclusion is that, to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy (than postponing) is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell.

The reasoning is that such news stories will serve to drive prices downward. So, "precisely" now, when the stories have come out, is a great time to buy.

In arriving at that conclusion, the broker has ignored a key fact: it could be that people are postponing home purchases not because that they are not aware that such news stories serve to drive prices downward but rather because it's a good idea to postpone home purchases now because it will take time for the stories to affect prices.

In other words, in recommending that people buy now because pessimistic news stories drive down prices, the broker has taken for granted that prices will drop "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," in other words, "quickly."

Keep.

Correct answer: E­
­Dear Marty,

Thank you for explaining. I have a doubt on the red highlighted portion above.

If the broker reasons that pessimistic news coverage will put downward pressure on the real estate price, then wouldn't it be logical to buy real estate when the prices are further down i.e. at a later time? Why would people buy it now? Given that the prices will pushed downwards in the future, whether quickly or after several months should not matter. I'm having a hard time getting my head around this.

Please correct my understanding.

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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a  strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.
­Dear Marty,

Thank you for explaining. I have a doubt on the red highlighted portion above.

If the broker reasons that pessimistic news coverage will put downward pressure on the real estate price, then wouldn't it be logical to buy real estate when the prices are further down i.e. at a later time? Why would people buy it now? Given that the prices will pushed downwards in the future, whether quickly or after several months should not matter. I'm having a hard time getting my head around this.

Please correct my understanding.

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­Hi Harshit.

As you've noticed, the recommendation isn't ideal, but I guess that's why the argument is flawed.

In other words, what you're saying makes sense, but there's no rule that the argument has to make sense. Rather, what's going on is that the question presents a flawed argument, and we have to take that argument as it is and find a flaw in it.

So, regarding buying "now," do you agree that that's what the broker is arguing for?
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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a  strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.
­Dear Marty,

Thank you for explaining. I have a doubt on the red highlighted portion above.

If the broker reasons that pessimistic news coverage will put downward pressure on the real estate price, then wouldn't it be logical to buy real estate when the prices are further down i.e. at a later time? Why would people buy it now? Given that the prices will pushed downwards in the future, whether quickly or after several months should not matter. I'm having a hard time getting my head around this.

Please correct my understanding.

Thanks­
­Hi Harshit.

As you've noticed, the recommendation isn't ideal, but I guess that's why the argument is flawed.

In other words, what you're saying makes sense, but there's no rule that the argument has to make sense. Rather, what's going on is that the question presents a flawed argument, and we have to take that argument as it is and find a flaw in it.

So, regarding buying "now," do you agree that that's what the broker is arguing for?
­Hi Marty,

Thanks for the explanation. Yes, I do agree with you that the broker is arguing that the precise time to buy is now.

I get it now. The issue with me was assuming that the argument would be very logical and that finding a flaw or an assumption in the reasoning would be hard. But to my surprise in this problem, the conclusion itself is skewed and we need to find the right words from the answer choice to point out exactly why it is skewed.

I have another related question on the argument analysis, when I read the first two sentences everything was clear; the first was a premise and the second was the conclusion, but after I read the third sentence I was not sure anymore whether this is another conclusion or a premise. Actually, I was pretty confident that this was a conclusion when I first attempted the question because it all fits in a nice story that some people postponed buying real estate due to pessimistic news about its price, and then, the author claims that to get a good deal best time is to buy now. Finally, he concludes that since the best time to buy is now and we know that the news about the price is pessimistic, so this widespread pessimistic news created a panic which is responsible for downward pressure on the house prices. I was leaning toward the idea that the argument was circular in this case :(

Do you have any suggestions on how we can identify the correct conclusion in such a case? And whether a suggestion about doing something to achieve a certain goal by the author can be the sole conclusion of an argument in the GMAT.

Thank you so much­
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­I have another related question on the argument analysis, when I read the first two sentences everything was clear; the first was a premise and the second was the conclusion, but after I read the third sentence I was not sure anymore whether this is another conclusion or a premise. Actually, I was pretty confident that this was a conclusion when I first attempted the question because it all fits in a nice story that some people postponed buying real estate due to pessimistic news about its price, and then, the author claims that to get a good deal best time is to buy now. Finally, he concludes that since the best time to buy is now and we know that the news about the price is pessimistic, so this widespread pessimistic news created a panic which is responsible for downward pressure on the house prices. I was leaning toward the idea that the argument was circular in this case :(

Do you have any suggestions on how we can identify the correct conclusion in such a case?Thank you so much­
­To identify the conclusion, look for a statement that is not clearly a fact and that is supported by something else.

In this case, ­the only statement that fits those criteria is "to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell."

The last sentence of the passage isn't supported by anything else, and appears to be a fact since nothing in the passage or the question stem indicates that it's an opinion of the broker's.
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Yes, any type of suggestion or recommendation made by the author can be the sole conclusion of the argument.­
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Thanks a lot for the explanation, Marty🙏🏼🙏🏼

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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a  strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.

A. overlooks the possibility that Country X's real estate prices would probably fall soon even without any pessimistic news stories

What this choice describes is not a flaw because the argument doesn't have to address this possibility to work.

After all, even if prices would fall soon without pessimistic news stories, the fact of the matter is that there have been pessimistic news stories, and thus prices can be expected to fall because of those stories.

Eliminate.

B. assumes, without providing justification, that whether a person becomes a homebuyer or not depends heavily on personal financial factors

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument doesn't conclude anything about people becoming homebuyers or not or about personal financial factors. Rather, the conclusion is about what people who are planning to buy homes should do.

So, it doesn't assume anything about the backstory of what people becoming homebuyers depends on.

Eliminate.

C. takes for granted that the recent news stories are based on careful statistical research

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument does not depend on the assumption that the news stories are based on careful research. After all, regardless of what the stories are based on, as long as they are pessimistic and therefore cause downward pressure on prices, the conclusion makes sense.

Eliminate.

D. overlooks the possibility that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels

What this choice describes is not a flaw because, if it is possible that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels, then the argument works well. After all, the point of the argument is that people should buy when pessimistic news stories come out because prices will drop.

So, if prices may go to "very low levels," the advice is even better.

Eliminate.

E. takes for granted that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually affect those prices quickly

As discussed above, the argument's conclusion is that, to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy (than postponing) is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell.

The reasoning is that such news stories will serve to drive prices downward. So, "precisely" now, when the stories have come out, is a great time to buy.

In arriving at that conclusion, the broker has ignored a key fact: it could be that people are postponing home purchases not because that they are not aware that such news stories serve to drive prices downward but rather because it's a good idea to postpone home purchases now because it will take time for the stories to affect prices.

In other words, in recommending that people buy now because pessimistic news stories drive down prices, the broker has taken for granted that prices will drop "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," in other words, "quickly."

Keep.

Correct answer: E­
­ How could the fact that media claiming that the prices will fall mean that they are advising everyone to sell? Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? Couldn't the media just claim this fact and still advise everyone to not sell and maybe keep it for a while? 
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­ How could the fact that media claiming that the prices will fall mean that they are advising everyone to sell? Aren't we jumping to conclusions here? Couldn't the media just claim this fact and still advise everyone to not sell and maybe keep it for a while? 
­Your point is valid, but only the author of the post says that the media is advising everyone to sell. So, since no answer choice involves this issue, we can ignore it.
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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.

A. overlooks the possibility that Country X's real estate prices would probably fall soon even without any pessimistic news stories

What this choice describes is not a flaw because the argument doesn't have to address this possibility to work.

After all, even if prices would fall soon without pessimistic news stories, the fact of the matter is that there have been pessimistic news stories, and thus prices can be expected to fall because of those stories.

Eliminate.

B. assumes, without providing justification, that whether a person becomes a homebuyer or not depends heavily on personal financial factors

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument doesn't conclude anything about people becoming homebuyers or not or about personal financial factors. Rather, the conclusion is about what people who are planning to buy homes should do.

So, it doesn't assume anything about the backstory of what people becoming homebuyers depends on.

Eliminate.

C. takes for granted that the recent news stories are based on careful statistical research

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument does not depend on the assumption that the news stories are based on careful research. After all, regardless of what the stories are based on, as long as they are pessimistic and therefore cause downward pressure on prices, the conclusion makes sense.

Eliminate.

D. overlooks the possibility that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels

What this choice describes is not a flaw because, if it is possible that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels, then the argument works well. After all, the point of the argument is that people should buy when pessimistic news stories come out because prices will drop.

So, if prices may go to "very low levels," the advice is even better.

Eliminate.

E. takes for granted that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually affect those prices quickly

As discussed above, the argument's conclusion is that, to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy (than postponing) is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell.

The reasoning is that such news stories will serve to drive prices downward. So, "precisely" now, when the stories have come out, is a great time to buy.

In arriving at that conclusion, the broker has ignored a key fact: it could be that people are postponing home purchases not because that they are not aware that such news stories serve to drive prices downward but rather because it's a good idea to postpone home purchases now because it will take time for the stories to affect prices.

In other words, in recommending that people buy now because pessimistic news stories drive down prices, the broker has taken for granted that prices will drop "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," in other words, "quickly."

Keep.

Correct answer:
­Hi Murray,
Thanks for the detailed explanination. But if you dont mind,could you tell me how you intertpert the question to come to the conclusion that, the broker is asking us to buy "now". I understand that it was mentioned precisely. And government is just telling that price will drop. It is not asking people to sell now.
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Here, it is interesting that even the first part of the premise, that the home buyers wait for the prices to fall is implied. If one does not spot that, it is hard to follow the argument. In such cases, if a connection is missing, look what can be inferred based on logic.
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Thanks for the detailed explanination. But if you dont mind,could you tell me how you intertpert the question to come to the conclusion that, the broker is asking us to buy "now". I understand that it was mentioned precisely. And government is just telling that price will drop. It is not asking people to sell now.
Thanks in advance for the reply.
Yes, the passage mentions "news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon," not news stories advising people to sell.

At the same time, we see that the broker is making a point about buying when "pessimistic" news stories come out, and the pessimistic news stories have that the broker is talking about have come out this week.

After all, the broker says the following:

Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. BUT to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell.

We see that the contrast word "but" signals that the broker is saying that, in response to "this week's news stories," people should do something different from what they are doing.

So, even though the broker has not said that "this week's news stories" involve advising people to sell, we can presume that the broker is referring to "this week's news stories" when the broker says, "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell."

So, we can safely presume that the broker is basically advising people to buy now, or at least rather soon.
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Sir can you please explain in detail why option D is wrong....
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­Real estate broker: Some people in Country X have postponed home purchases because of this week's news stories claiming that real estate prices will probably fall soon. But to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell. Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

The broker's conclusion is the following:

to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell

Notice what the broker means by "a better strategy." The broker's point is that buying "precisely" now is a better strategy than postponing home purchases.

The support for the conclusion is the following:

Widespread pessimistic news stories encourage panics that put downward pressure on real estate prices.

We see that the broker has reasoned that, since pessimistic news stories serve to put downward pressure on real estate prices, a strategy better than postponing is to buy "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," meaning now.

The real estate broker's argument is most vulnerable to criticism on the grounds that it

The correct answer will accurately describe an aspect of the argument that can be considered a flaw.

A. overlooks the possibility that Country X's real estate prices would probably fall soon even without any pessimistic news stories

What this choice describes is not a flaw because the argument doesn't have to address this possibility to work.

After all, even if prices would fall soon without pessimistic news stories, the fact of the matter is that there have been pessimistic news stories, and thus prices can be expected to fall because of those stories.

Eliminate.

B. assumes, without providing justification, that whether a person becomes a homebuyer or not depends heavily on personal financial factors

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument doesn't conclude anything about people becoming homebuyers or not or about personal financial factors. Rather, the conclusion is about what people who are planning to buy homes should do.

So, it doesn't assume anything about the backstory of what people becoming homebuyers depends on.

Eliminate.

C. takes for granted that the recent news stories are based on careful statistical research

What this choice describes is not a flaw in the argument because the argument doesn't do it.

After all, the argument does not depend on the assumption that the news stories are based on careful research. After all, regardless of what the stories are based on, as long as they are pessimistic and therefore cause downward pressure on prices, the conclusion makes sense.

Eliminate.

D. overlooks the possibility that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels

What this choice describes is not a flaw because, if it is possible that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually drive those prices to very low levels, then the argument works well. After all, the point of the argument is that people should buy when pessimistic news stories come out because prices will drop.

So, if prices may go to "very low levels," the advice is even better.

Eliminate.

E. takes for granted that widespread pessimistic news stories about real estate prices usually affect those prices quickly

As discussed above, the argument's conclusion is that, to get a good deal on a new home, a better strategy (than postponing) is to buy precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell.

The reasoning is that such news stories will serve to drive prices downward. So, "precisely" now, when the stories have come out, is a great time to buy.

In arriving at that conclusion, the broker has ignored a key fact: it could be that people are postponing home purchases not because that they are not aware that such news stories serve to drive prices downward but rather because it's a good idea to postpone home purchases now because it will take time for the stories to affect prices.

In other words, in recommending that people buy now because pessimistic news stories drive down prices, the broker has taken for granted that prices will drop "precisely when the media is advising everyone to sell," in other words, "quickly."

Keep.

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