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Hey guys,

I was accepted at 3 great programs: Rotman, Broad and Fisher.
Now I am struggling to decide which one I should attend.

About myself: Male, 29 years old, married. I worked with Operations/Manufacturing/Supply Chain for the past 8 years in two different companies (one national conglomerate and a Fortune 500 company).

Post-MBA goals: I would like to stay with Operations and Supply Chain but I don't want to close any doors to MBB or consulting. I would like to live in US or Canada for 5 or 10 years after graduation.

Rotman:
Pros:
- Number 1 program at Canada;
- Great school for MBB;
- No visa problems (for my wife and I);
- Toronto;
- It seems to have a better mix in the classroom;

Cons:
- Not known for Operations and Supply Chain;
- More expensive;
- Big class size;

Broad:
Pros:
- Recognize for great Supply Chain program;
- Great scholarship (almost 75%);
- Small class size;

Cons:
- Visa constrains to stay after graduation;
- Lansing;
- Class with the same profile (engineers, supply chain and etc);

Fisher:
Pros:
- Great school for Operations and Supply Chain;
- Great scholarship (almost 95%);
- Small class size;
- Ohio State brad;

Cons:
- Visa constrains to stay after graduation;
- Regional school;

I am still waiting for the answer from Tepper but it should be a ding.
Money is a huge concern for me because exchange rate can make the schools more expensive in a blink of a eye and visa is another huge concern.

What do you think I should do?

Originally posted by BrunoP on 07 May 2017, 10:15.
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If money is the biggest factor go with the US schools they will get you to where you need to be career wise if you are most worried about visa considerations then go Rotman
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If money is the biggest factor go with the US schools they will get you to where you need to be career wise if you are most worried about visa considerations then go Rotman


That's the problem, it's 50-50 regarding money and visa.
No concern is bigger than the other.
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Congratulations!

If visa becomes a big issue after graduation from Fisher, could you apply to a 1-year Canadian Masters program and accomplish the same result as going to Rotman, visa-wise?

I think you will do great at both programs (Fisher or Rotman). Will be a different experience - premier school in Canada vs a regional program in Ohio. Canadian programs are likely to keep going up in reputation over the next few years of uncertainty so you have an opportunity to capitalize there too. I would not ding it because it is not know in Ops or Supply chain. Neither is HBS or Stanford. Those industries are not as sexy or well paying as the ones that lure grads from the likes of Rotman and such.

At the same time while the visa situation is a bit of an unknown, a scholarship is pretty certain and no matter how hard you try, there is no money at Rotman.

I feel there is quite a bit of difference between the US and Canada and you need to pick where you want to be. That will automatically make the decision for you.

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I guess another question, well your spouse be moving with you?

If you go to Fisher, can she continue working in the US right now? Or will she be stuck at home for two years?

What about at Rotman, can she go to work and be less bored and making money? This may level things a bit out financially....

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Congratulations!

If visa becomes a big issue after graduation from Fisher, could you apply to a 1-year Canadian Masters program and accomplish the same result as going to Rotman, visa-wise?

I think you will do great at both programs (Fisher or Rotman). Will be a different experience - premier school in Canada vs a regional program in Ohio. Canadian programs are likely to keep going up in reputation over the next few years of uncertainty so you have an opportunity to capitalize there too. I would not ding it because it is not know in Ops or Supply chain. Neither is HBS or Stanford. Those industries are not as sexy or well paying as the ones that lure grads from the likes of Rotman and such.

At the same time while the visa situation is a bit of an unknown, a scholarship is pretty certain and no matter how hard you try, there is no money at Rotman.

I feel there is quite a bit of difference between the US and Canada and you need to pick where you want to be. That will automatically make the decision for you.

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Thanks bb!

Regarding the 1 year Canadian Master Program it won't give me the visa, just the 2 year programs. Another upside about it: after the 2 years at the school, I can get another 3 years to work in Canada.
However, as you said, the money is really good!

I know that exists differences between US and Canada, but I believe that I will be ok in anyone of them. The personal development that I can have in Canada or US will be great for me.
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I guess another question, well your spouse be moving with you?

If you go to Fisher, can she continue working in the US right now? Or will she be stuck at home for two years?

What about at Rotman, can she go to work and be less bored and making money? This may level things a bit out financially....

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Perfect bb! That is the main point (and something that I cannot take of my mind right now)!

She will move with me and at Ohio she cannot work due to visa (so she will start some english classes or something else to occupy her time/mind).

At Toronto she can work for the 2 years during my studies and 3 more after graduation. So it would be great for us because she wont be bored and can make some money to reduce the financial gap that we are facing right now.
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Congrats for all schools :)

Here is my 2 cents. The above views are all great and I aligned with them. So I will take the topic from quality of learning in term of your goals.

When it comes to supply chain field, there is another reputable reference for supply chain (including program supply chain within MBA) that ranks best supply chain programs. In general, Broad is power house for supply chain more than Fisher. As professional in that field, I know that Broad has the biggest supply chain faculty across the state. Fisher has a good MBA program but slightly less from supply chain perspective than Broad. But it still has reputation. Both has variety of courses, with Fisher has more strategy electives courses than Broad.

Both school has high connection s with recruiters in Midwest (regardless of the visa problems. In light of consulting goals, Fisher sends grad to consulting more than Broad. Both are not MBB feeders. Both shares some second tier consulting companies such as Accenture and PWC. Sometimes Fisher's students make their way to Mckinsey and Deloitte. There are many boutique supply chain firms (not famous as others) that recruit from both schools as well.

In terms of your goals in operations and consulting, I lean to Fisher, if you decided to study in the USA.

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Mo2men , bb , stonecold

I need your assistance!
I was accepted at Tepper (without scholarship).

Do you guys think that I should change the current "battle" between Fisher and Rotman?
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Hi BrunoP


Let me start by congratulating you on a tremendous application season.
Now, I am not going to tell you where/where not to go.Instead I am going to put myself in your shoes and try to make a decision.
This should be fun.

Lets begin.

Choices I have -> Rotman,Tepper and Fisher.All of them are fabulous B-schools.(Notice I haven't included Broad)It boils down to these 4 categories-->


Category 1--> "Sheer Brand Value" :-
Rotman => The Best Canadian program.
Are Tepper or fisher the best MBA program in the US? Nopes.
Preference -> ROTMAN>>>>>>>>>Tepper>>>Fisher

Personal exercise recommended => Imagine yourself having a drink with one of recruiting managers of your dream job.What you would rather tell him?
I did my MBA from the best freaking MBA program in Canada.
OR I did my MBA from Tepper/fisher.Both of which are fairly regional schools.I am not sure people outside the US would recognise Fisher.


Category 2 -->"Chances of landing into my Dream position"
Speaking strictly from Supply chain and logistics standpoint => Fisher is fabulous.However,You say you don't want to close doors onto MBB and are interested in Supply chain too.
I am not sure that Fisher will be help you do that.
Tepper on the other hand will be definitely helpful for MBB goals but with supply chain and logistics I am not sure.Plus it is pretty expensive (more on this later)
On the other hand we have a MBA program which fulfils both the purposes.
Rotman -> Being the best MBA program it is a recruiting Powerhouse in MBB and pretty much every post MBA trajectory.


Preference =>Rotman>>>>>Fisher >Tepper

Category 3) --> "Money/Financial aid"-->
There is nothing great than graduating debt free.Or if I were sure to live in the US => I would not look beyond Fisher.
Preference => Fisher >>Rotman>>>>>>Tepper


Category 4)-->" ROI"-->
This would have been probably the most important category for me.

H1-B in the US is in a BIG BIG mess.
MBA isn't classified under stem(apart from a few MBA's)
So we are only allowed an OPT of 12 months after which we need a visa to stay and work in the US.
Ask yourself -> Do you really want to spend 2 years in the US and make a huge investment only to return with a huge debt and the worst thing would be paying that debt in your Brazilian currency.
And we are not even taking into account the time it would take to find that dream Job in your own country.

You might argue that Fisher is costing you no money.
Fair enough.
If you were a entrepreneur not looking to work in the US I would have said Fisher without even thinking for a split second.
The point is you are not.
You are looking to work in the country where you would be doing your MBA .
So the "Job prospects are extremely important to you.

So what are current Tepper students saying about the whole H1-B mess?

Here is a quote from one of the GMAT-clubbers( https://gmatclub.com/forum/members/member-317322.html ) who is currently studying at Tepper-->




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When it comes to H1B sponsorship, the problems are there. It is logical that higher the ranking of the school, less severe the problem is.

For better understanding, talk to current students to understand the problem better in the schools you are admitted/applying.

Strongly suggest, wait and watch. There is no clarity about the companies and some big names have stopped sponsoring all together.

At the same time, Tepper is putting lot of effort to help all of us. There is no denying. Tepper's COC is award winning. The problem is company's reluctance to take risks. It won't be wrong to compare the situation with 2008 recession, but only difference is, the problem is only for internationals. My classmates who are citizens or green cards, they are sitting pretty with tons of offers.


Do yourself a favour -> Read this entire thread=--> https://gmatclub.com/forum/h-1b-visa-ch ... 84-20.html

After trump has taken over => A lot of companies are on a "HIRING FREEZE" until the situation normalises again.Although I must confess, nobody knows what normal is anymore.
On the other hand Canada's policies are known to welcome immigrants.
These links weren't to scare you off or anything.But as I said -> You are someone who has an option.
The option of going to the Best Canadian MBA program.
Why would you look otherwise.


So I am sorry to CMU --> But between much secured Canadian ROI prospects, I am very happy to dish you off.

Preference ==> ROTMAN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fisher>>>>>>>Tepper









Conclusion -->
No matter what category/carrier trajectory you choose, Rotman just Smokes both Fisher and Tepper.
So If I were you, I would be on the next flight to Rotman.



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Hi Bruno,

It is really hard to give you clear cut decision. But I will try to help.

Although I like the quality of education of the American business schools, I find the opportunity in Canada is better for you for the following reason:

1- The visa issues has not yet sorted out. No one knows actually when and how it will solved. So it is risk for you and your spouse in same time.

2- You want to work in consulting. So Rotman will be great as it is best school in Canada. What if consulting plan does not work, here you can rely on your experience in supply chain to find a job. So in Rotman, you have the schools brand that works for consulting and you experience that will help for other jobs. I would like to draw your attention that BCG and Mck has specialty branches for those who have quite experience in a field such as supply chain. Do not forget the 2-nd tier firms as well.

3- I do not want to draw your spouse out of the equation. As you mentioned, she can work in the Canada, while she can't in the US. Here she can be source for income. She can teach Protegees or work in company that have relations with LA. Also, I can't diminish its ability to help you search for jobs in websites. Actually, I know spouses who did that for their husbands and were helpful. Bottom line: her time maybe utilized more in Canada for your family stability.

Good luck and let us know your final decision soon
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BrunoP wrote:
Mo2men , bb , stonecold

I need your assistance!
I was accepted at Tepper (without scholarship).

Do you guys think that I should change the current "battle" between Fisher and Rotman?



Congratulations! I would take your questions to the Tepper Reviews

Here is what I found:
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For future applicants, I would make sure that Tepper fits your career aspirations. This is not a core i-banking or consulting school so if that's what you want, I would look elsewhere.


Between Tepper and Fisher, I would take Fisher with Full Scholarship (not getting into details of this at the moment)
I probably still would consider Rotman a better offer than Fisher/Tepper due to uncertainty with Visa and additional income/cost off-set that your Spouse can provide in Canada.
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I am leaning more Rotman after hearing about your wife...it seems to address a lot of your concerns...something is preventing you from accepting the money at Fisher, as you keep finding reasons not to accept. You will have to eventually follow your gut here as all of these schools present strong pros and cons
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