H-1B proposed Changes – Could be a Boon for MBA Applicants https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/People-image-3.jpg Over the last few days, a number of you have written to me about the proposed changes to the H-1B Visa reform and its impact on your ability to secure a job post your MBA in USA. Hence, we did some research, the findings of which are presented below. You may also download the PDF here Summary of findings Since this is a pretty long article, I have added a short summary here. In essence, the proposed changes (if implemented) can be extremely beneficial for most MBA candidates because of the following reasons: 1. Proposed changes may lead to higher chances of securing H-1B Visa : The H-1B visa program is severely abused and hence oversubscribed. Even with a sponsor, an MBA graduate currently has a 33% chance of securing the H1B visa. The proposal in the senate intend to address the abuse and in turn drastically increase the probability of securing a Visa. (Most Post MBA jobs offer $100K+ salaries) 2. Minimum salary is not a must : The $130K number proposed by Zoe Lofgren is only for exempt filing process, that too for software engineers. It is completely possible to secure an H-1B visa while drawing a much lower salary by following the non-exempt process. 3. Faster Green Card processing : A part of Zoe Lofgren’s proposal requires that employers file for immigration paperwork for H-1B Visa holders within 3 years. Currently very few employers do the same. 4. Probably higher intake by B- Schools : Quota for H-1B is one of the things holding back B-schools from admitting deserving qualified applicants. As the chances of securing H-1B visa improve, schools may admit more international applicants. 2.BACKGROUND – WHAT IS H-1B VISA ? Why is it important to understand the purpose of H-1B Visa - because it lays the foundation of the abuse of this Visa instrument as described later on in this document. H-1B provides an instrument to US employers that allows them to hire foreign workers to bridge qualified and skilled labor gap in certain business areas. Essentially if there is a job for which suitable or sufficient local talent is not available, an employer may bring in a foreign worker to fill that gap. Technically, the two only conditions required are that skill gap be demonstrated and the foreign worker be paid fair wages. Note, H-1B Visa is not just for IT/Tech professionals. Any kind of skill shortage can be fulfilled using this instrument. In 2015, the H-1B visas were awarded to functions in 18 occupations including social sciences, arts, law, etc. If fact, the first lady Melania Trump came to USA on an H-1B Visa to work as a model. 2.1 HOW MANY H-1B VISAS ARE GRANTED EVERY YEAR? There are 3 categories in which H-1B Visas are granted each year. Please see the table below for the same: https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Table-H1B-Visa-types-e1486010332840.png Because of these unlimited exemptions and roll-overs, the number of H-1B visas issued each year is significantly more than the 65,000 cap, with 117,828 having been issued in FY2010, 129,552 in FY2011, and 135,991 in FY2012. However, MBAs are primarily concerned with the 65,000 + 20,000 = 85,000 quota. From now on, we will talk just about this quota. 2.2 HOW IS H-1B VISA GRANTED? There are two methods for granting H-1B Visa. 2.2.1 Nonexempt filing This is the “original filing” method for filing an application for H1B Visa. Under this process, you need to demonstrate that there is a shortage of a certain kind of skilled worker and that the H1B hire will not directly replace a current position (within 120 days) in the parent company or any other company that the parent company has a relationship with. The technical terms associated with this process are non-displacement, recruitment, and hiring and are explained in Appendix 1. https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/No-minimum-wage-requirements-e1486010894808.png Employers following this route do not have minimum salary requirements i.e. they can pay any salary that is deemed reasonable for this position. 2.2.2 Exempt filing In 1998, a change was made that led to “Exempt filing” process. Under this process, the employer filing for H-1B visa did not have to worry about non-displacement, recruitment, and hiring as long as the H-1B worker • Receives $60,000 annual wages; or • Has attained a Master’s or higher degree (or its equivalent) in a specialty related to the intended H-1B employment. Note, this H-1B worker was deemed as Exempt H-1B Worker. Here is the official statement: 3.0 HOW HAS THE H-1B VISA BEEN ABUSED The Exempt filing process gave employers an amazing tool to displace American workers using H-1B Visa. This is because of a major flaw with the 1998 bill. While the $60K wage requirement in the 1998 bill was consistent with the IT salaries then, this bill did not index wage requirements to keep pace with wage growth or even inflation . As a result, H1B employers got a legal method to displace higher earning American workers with H-1B Visa holders. Hence, as wages in IT sector grew, outsourcing companies found a means to import engineers from India not to augment a skill gap but to replace already existing workforce, especially with the wage inflation in IT sector. Non-Exempt process goes out of fashion With passage of time the non-exempt filing process went out of fashion with IT employers because: 1. It required more paperwork. You had to prove that local talent was not available. 2. You had to pay the H-1B visa holder more (remember it required that employers pay competitive salaries, something that most H-1B employers don’t do. Read the section of abuse for more data on the same). Essentially, very few people use the Non-Exempt H-1B process now. 3.1 WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE THAT H-1B VISA IS ABUSED? This is a very important question and there is a lot of data available that proves that H-1B visa has been severely misused/abused by a large number of companies. There are two ways to prove the same: 1. Anecdotal Evidence 2. Statistical Evidence 3.1.1 Anecdotal Evidence There are a few cases in blogosphere where entire departments in companies have been replaced by outsourced workers. In January of 2015, nearly 250 Disney IT workers were laid off, and were replaced by workers from HCL and Cognizant. HCL and Cognizant got away with it, claiming that American workers who were displaced by visa holders were not their employees. Hence, even though the judge did not entirely reject the idea that the Americans were “adversely affected” by being fired, there was little he could do legally. The article below provides another data point. https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/b ... 76692.html Now, I am not trying to question the ethics of the situation or whether something like this should be allowed as per the “free-market” economy. The point is that H-1B visa was not designed for this purpose and is clearly being abused by outsourcing companies. Read the section on Statistical evidence for more details. 3.1.2 Statistical Evidence This is the most damning evidence. Here is the logic!! If an H-1B worker were truly adding skills or closing a skill gap, the median wage of H-1B worker employed for computer related applications would be higher (significantly higher) than the median wage for the general Computer and Mathematical occupations group. (Basic economics – high demand, low supply leads to price increase). Unfortunately, the actual data tells a completely different story. The median wage of H-1B worker is way lower than the median wage for Computer and Mathematical occupation professional. https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Median-wage-table-e1486007136825.png There is a significant difference in median salary of Initial Employment group to that of the sector ($67,000 vs. $81,430). Note, it is pertinent to compare their Median Salary since Initial Employment refers to the people who are employed for the first time under H-1B visa. Comparing 75 Percentile points show how bad the situation really is!! I was hoping that that at least half the people in the IT category would be employed to fill a critical skill gap. Hence, I expected the 75 percentile numbers to be much closer. I was surprised to find the opposite. The 75th percentile employment number for “Initial Employment group” for H-1B visa holders stands at $80,000 – significantly lower than the 75 Percentile number ($109,490) for Computer and Mathematical occupations. https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/75-percentile-wage-table-e1486007237978.png 1. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes150000.htm 2. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/fil ... ort-14.pdf Comparing the number above, it is clear that a good number of H-1B Visas are allocated to replace American jobs and not to add skills missing in the economy today. 3.1.3 Which companies abuse the H-1B Visa? As per the data collected by NYTimes , a majority of the abuse of H-1B Visas is by India outsourcing companies. According to this NYTimes article excerpt Congress set a limit of 85,000 visas annually, and more than 10,000 companies applied in 2014. But just 20 companies received more than 32,000 visas. The article further goes on to state Under federal rules, employers like TCS, Infosys and Wipro that have large numbers of H-1B workers in the United States are required to declare that they will not displace American workers. But the companies are exempt from that requirement if the H-1B workers are paid at least $60,000 a year. H-1B workers at outsourcing firms often receive wages at or slightly above $60,000, below what skilled American technology professionals tend to earn, so those firms can offer services to American companies at a lower cost, undercutting American workers. https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Wage-Distribution-H1B-e1486007381504.png From the chart above, the following things are very clear: 1.Pretty much every outsourcing company starts its pay scale at $60K so that it does not have to prove a shortage of skill. (exempt route) 2.Most firms that employ workers directly pay quite well (firms such as Microsoft, Intel, Google etc.). Unfortunately, such firms accounted for just ~ 5000 visas together in 2014. 3.Combining this data with the stats above, the low median wages for Computer Related Occupations - Initial Employment group seem to be driven by the outsourcing firms. 4.0 WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THIS ABUSE ON MBA STUDENTS? Lottery System – Unfair to MBAs If the number of applications exceeds the annual quota in the first week, an occurrence common in the recent years, H-1B visas are granted by a computer-run lottery. For example, in 2016 USCIS received over 236,000 H-1B petitions for 85,000 slots during the filing period, which began April 1, including petitions filed for the advanced degree exemption. On April 9, USCIS used a computer-generated random selection process, or lottery, to select enough petitions to meet the 65,000 general-category cap and the 20,000 cap under the advanced degree exemption This hurts MBA students in three ways: Reduced chance of securing a Visa : It reduces their chances of securing a visa even when they have a sponsor. In the best case, there is a 1 in 3 chance that an MBA will be granted a H1 Visa. Take a look at this article that mentions a Kellogg MBA who had to go back because he could not get lucky in the lottery. Need to file for a visa by April 1 : If as an MBA, you don’t have a job offer by March 1 in your graduating year, you will not likely be able to apply for the lottery (remember, the lottery draw has occurred on April 9th since 2014). Fewer job opportunities : Many employers who know the numbers will not even consider H-1B candidates for many positions because of such poor odds. The last thing you want as an employer is to go through a hiring process and not be able to bring the person on board because of a lottery. This is especially true for MBAs because they are usually hired for critical positions. Based on the data from GMAC, only 28% of the employers who planed to hire MBAs in the U.S. in 2015 expected to hire international candidates. Those employers who did not plan to hire MBAs cited the H-1B lottery as one of the reasons for the same. In addition, Business schools limit enrollment of MBA students because of the H-1B cap. During an open discussion at AIGAC conference in 2016 Matthew J. Slaughter – Dean of Tuck School of Business, Dartmouth mentioned that they are unable to offer admissions to many deserving candidates because of the paucity of H-1B Visas. I am sure, other business schools feel the same. Remove the Loophole and there are enough Visas https://e-gmat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Stop.png Just some interesting Math – the top 15 outsourcing companies get ~30,000 visas allotted to them (Chapter 3.1.3) Assuming a 1:4 allocation to application ratio, these outsourcing firms file 120,000 visa applications (or LCAs). Note, we have only accounted for the 15 big outsourcing companies. In addition, there are hundreds of smaller outsourcing companies in USA that fly below the radar. These all potentially could account for another 20,000 to 30,000 applications. Therefore, out of the 236,000 H1B petitions filed in 2016, 150,000 probably are filed by outsourcing companies. Most likely, 80% of these are for low cost IT jobs that would likely go away with the regulation change. (Based on the 75 percentile salary stats discussed in chapter 3.1.2) Essentially, if one takes outsourcing out of the equation, pretty much everyone who applies for a H1 Visa will be granted one. 5 BILLS THAT ARE PROPOSED 5.1 HIGH-SKILLED INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS ACT OF 2017 There are two bills that have been proposed to address the H-1B issue. The more recent one called HIGH-SKILLED INTEGRITY AND FAIRNESS ACT OF 2017 is proposed by ZOE LOFGREN. This bill proposes: Resetting the current dependent wage exemption level from $60,000 to $130,000 A. Employers hiring IT workers that want to go for “exempt filing process” must pay “35 percentile points” above the median for the most recent national annual wage for Computer and Mathematical Occupations. This numbers currently comes out to $130,000. B. If the employer is paying the visa applicant lower than 85 percentile level then the employer must prove attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers. C. Eliminates the Master’s Degree exemption for dependent employers. This means that there will not be a separate quota for Master’s degree holders. D. Mandates that employers to provide immigration paperwork to the H-1B visa holder within three years of the date on which the petition was filed with the government $130K number is for “exempt filing process” and is “not fixed” There are a few things that I want to elaborate. First of all, the $130,000 number is for computer related jobs and not for post MBA jobs. Secondly, this number will likely be refined and be better defined based on the regional salary levels as well as job verticals. It is very possible that we end up being at 70 percentile rather than 85. Remember, this is just a proposal. However, one thing is more or less certain – the $60K pay limit for exempt group will be increased. The non-exempt route does not require a certain minimum salary No minimum salary that is proposed in the non-exempt route. Surely, going this route requires a bit more paperwork but remember, prior to 1998 doing such paperwork was the only route to securing an H-1B Visa. There are a few other interesting points about market based allocation of H-1B visas. You can read the proposal here . The last thing I want to mention is that ZOE LOFGREN is a democrat from California and has gone up against President Trump on his recently passed immigration ban. So there is a possibility that this bill may not pass in its entirety. 5.2 PROTECT AND GROW AMERICAN JOBS ACT Bill 2 - Protect and Grow American Jobs Act by Darrell Issa (Republican) and co-sponsored by Scott Peters (Democrat). Read more here. This bill proposes to raise the salary requirement exempt H-1B nonimmigrant positions to $100,000/year (up from $60,000/year currently) and eliminate the Masters Degree exemption. The bill requires an inflation adjustment to the salary threshold every third fiscal year In essence, this bill is similar to the one by ZOE LOFGREN except that it has a fixed ceiling instead of a floating one based on one’s occupation. 6.0 TO CONCLUDE – CHANGE MAY BRING MORE GOOD NEWS When passed, there are several potential benefits for MBAs if the ceiling on minimum H-1B wage is raised to discourage low cost outsourcing that displaced American workers. $100K or higher. These are: 1. Higher chances of securing H-1B visa. 2. More job opportunities. 3. Potentially more seats at B-schools. This change is good news if you are someone who is in the top 20 percentile in your MBA class. Why!! Because you probably bring something unique – something that’s worth paying a premium for. So keep a tab on the H-1B developments but focus on building your own unique brand. Work on that GMAT score – a 90+ percentile adds to the unique value you bring. Contribute to your company’s development, since your accomplishments there will also accentuate your uniqueness. Lastly, do multiple internships during your MBA as these will help showcase why you bring qualities that are otherwise in short supply. Bottom line – work hard, work smartly and make a difference!! In the end, I would say that America is a country of immigrants. It has always welcomed working and deserving candidates with open arms. Work hard to make yourself deserving and plan towards getting admitted to the school of your choice. Disclaimer: Both these bills have just been introduced. They are not an executive order from the president. Note, fewer than 15% of bills pass House and about 3% get enacted although with Republicans, Democrats, and the President behind these, there is a good chance that one of these in some form may be passed.

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theincredible, thank you for your point of view.

Absolutely!! Happy to help. I think this thread deserves more posts. Would have been really interesting to everyone's point of view on this very critical issue that will inevitably affect our careers.

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Amid ‘Trump Effect’ Fear, 40% of Colleges See Dip in Foreign Applicants

Source -> New York Times => https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/international-students-us-colleges-trump.html?_r=0

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Amid ‘Trump Effect’ Fear, 40% of Colleges See Dip in Foreign Applicants

Source -> New York Times => https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/international-students-us-colleges-trump.html?_r=0

Thanks for posting this!! Yes I read the article sometime back and was not surprised to see this. This was expected as international students constitute an humongous group of people applying to US bschools. I have heard that they plan to increase scholarships to attract international students. Although, I am not sure if that will convince international students. One of my friends rejected an offer from Tepper and Anderson and is joining Schulich this year. He was rejected from Rotman. In an unprecedented state of affairs, Schulich's seats were filled by mid January and Rotman has rejected/waitlisted a record number of Indian students with very high gmat scores. Things are finally looking up for Canada and Canadian bchools!!

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Hi theincredible,

I bumped into that very recent discussion about Schulich if you are interested.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/schulich-yor ... 36244.html

Regarding the scholarship to attract internationals, I heard the same as you had. But it is unclear to do because the cuts to in federal fund are massive to many sectors in the states including education in all levels in order to fund defense and security. We will see what will happen the incoming few months.

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I don't think the number of applications to US B-Schools are reducing, as the average GMAT of admitted students ( Indian) are nearly 30 to 40 points higher than average GMAT of school.
Moreover, what I believe the selling point for all the top 30 US B-Schools is the global exposure they provide to candidates, and the diversity which is there in the class. If these schools starts reducing international students, the whole global experience and diversity will go for a toss, eventually reducing the interest from domestic students as well.
However, post MBA job opportunities is still a big question?

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True @crackum7. The US schools do value diversity a lot and international students are a big contributor to the overall value proposition of an us mba and higher gmat scores. The jobs prospects are the primary reason why international students are concerned about doing an MBA from US. That's why it's in the best Interest of US schools to provide more scholarships and attract students. Other countries such as Canada and Australia are looking much better in terms of job prospects post MBA.

As @mo2men has said, we'll have to wait and see.

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To be more specific with MBA crowd this year the total number of applications have increased by a factor of 5-20% depending on the school. I guess majority contribution in this would have been of internationals. Having said that, adcoms are expecting a falling yields this year due to the trump fiasco and the related uncertainty. Sure the number/ratio of international students going to top MBA programs in US won't change in near future but yields will drop, meaning more folks will turn down offers. This is already happening. I know of multiple folks who have left good US schools, some even with scholarships, for ISB/NUS/INSEAD.

In larger context, I don't think students are at a loss here. A good student who could have gone to a top 20 US school will do well even a Canadian/ISB/NUS/Australia MBA. It's the US schools and more so the US that is at loss here. Disagree with me? Think of how many international students apply to schools like HEC/IE/IESE these days? Majority of top candidates don't consider these schools. These countries started restricting immigrants few years back and results are visible now. If US policies stay the same, US schools r bound to follow the fate. Though I personally hope (and pray) that never happens.

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True CrackuM7. The US schools do value diversity a lot and international students are a big contributor to the overall value proposition of an us mba and higher gmat scores. The jobs prospects are the primary reason why international students are concerned about doing an MBA from US. That's why it's in the best Interest of US schools to provide more scholarships and attract students. Other countries such as Canada and Australia are looking much better in terms of job prospects post MBA.

As Mo2men has said, we'll have to wait and see.

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Rohit6 : Good analysis there, buddy. However, let me point out one specific thing here. In the long run, students are going to be in a huge loss. Can you imagine a MBA market where US is no longer an option? What remains? Canada, Australia and probably Germany (not sure though!). How many good schools do you know in these countries? You can probably count them on your fingertips. US constitutes a very large chunk of bschools and for good reason too. We'll have even fewer choices and that's very scary! The competition will be immense and international students with lower gmat scores will be affected more. The downfall of US bschools is good news for nobody. I am literally scared to think about the situation if US goes in the way of UK.

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Hi Buddy,
Below are my thoughts:

"In the long run, students are going to be in a huge loss"
They're going to be in a loss, for sure. My point was that US schools will be at a Bigger loss. Sure this situation brings good to no1 but good folks, who are willing to work hard and make a difference will do that in spite of all these geopolitical changes.

"Can you imagine a MBA market where US is no longer an option?"
Absolutely. US business schools have risen to there present status only in the last few decades. I wouldn't be surprised if US schools or MBA as a degree loose there sheen and reputation in the next few years/decades.

Having said that, I would also like to point out that US schools, over the last few decades, have successfully stood the test of time and have evolved significantly. I'm sure US schools will keep evolving. What if US schools start to push globalization and diversity the way to they push sustainability and social issues now? That'll change the whole game. Moreover, as the political dynamics change, I'm sure new leaders will come up in other parts of the world. If there aren't options today in Australia/Canada/Emerging world doesn't mean there won't be tomorrow. In long-term market forces will take charge and new leaders will emerge (ISB is one such good example)

IMHO change is always good in long-term. Let's me optimistic.

I understand your present situation completely. My suggestion would be to make the best decision based on "present" day circumstances without predicting the future and in long-term always be ready for surprises :-D

Do I make sense?

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Great logical article by Rajat. But on the ground situation is far from logic.

I am not sure whether anybody is in US and is interviewing and I am. Lots of companies have stopped sponsoring who were sponsoring tons of the MBA in the previous years. There are lot of uncertainties with the companies and I have been pulled out of interviews just because of the H1B sponsorship. So I will strongly suggest wait and watch.

theincredible and Rohit6 : Everybody is a looser because of this. But Trump is chosen by the US people and that is what the People want.

Rohit6 : Congrats for Tepper Admit.

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@kinjiGC thanks for the inputs. Is this for few specific schools/ industry or across schools and industry. I have been hearing similar instances from current students ( both internship and full time) across schools.
Do you see this getting better, otherwise with the cost and debt it will be a nightmare.

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kinjiGC thanks for the inputs. Is this for few specific schools/ industry or across schools and industry. I have been hearing similar instances from current students ( both internship and full time) across schools.
Do you see this getting better, otherwise with the cost and debt it will be a nightmare.

When it comes to H1B sponsorship, the problems are there. It is logical that higher the ranking of the school, less severe the problem is.

For better understanding, talk to current students to understand the problem better in the schools you are admitted/applying.

Strongly suggest, wait and watch. There is no clarity about the companies and some big names have stopped sponsoring all together.

At the same time, Tepper is putting lot of effort to help all of us. There is no denying. Tepper's COC is award winning. The problem is company's reluctance to take risks. It won't be wrong to compare the situation with 2008 recession, but only difference is, the problem is only for internationals. My classmates who are citizens or green cards, they are sitting pretty with tons of offers.

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@kinjigc.. Thanks a lot for your views. I can't tell you how much I appreciate you for posting the truth on the forum. Coming from someone who is at Tepper, your post illustrates the on ground situation in US. I have been hearing the same from few of my friends in US. I hope this will silence the cacophony of the coaching centers such as e gmat and others who have been trying to paint a rainbow over the dark sky.
I sincerely hope you get a shot at some good interviews and end up getting a top notch job. I am sure there are lots of companies willing to hire a talent such as you. Please keep us updated on the situation as it will help a lot of us take the right step.

Thanks again Kinjal!!

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You make a lot of sense kinjiGC

And given that you are a part of an elite program and still dealing with those issues, i can't even imagine what would student's from Top 40-50 programs would be going through.

I have talked to a few friends of mine.
While talking to them one thing is pretty clear =>As of now there is no such"BOON" that this article is claiming.

I hope the situation gets eased out.

I have a question for you -> What are the odds of landing a typical Post MBA (say consulting/finance) Job in Europe after a US-MBA
Are any of your classmates thinking about the same.

Also do you have any specific timeline for the "wait and watch" advice.
Do you think the situation can change in the near future say 1-2 years.

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Hi Buddy,
Appreciate your responses and good to see discussion going on this topic.
On the subject itself, I've been actively talking to current students at the school which I'm joining (Kellogg) and I haven't seen any additional nervousness in students. Sure, recruiting for internationals is tough but almost every1 told that it's as tough as it has always been in last few years.

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I'm exploring option of looking jobs in EU/UAE/Asia region post my US-MBA and largely what I'm getting to understand is that it's not an easy sell. Think about it, why wouldn't an EU company not hire from top EU schools instead? A US degree might help in geographies where education system is premature such as in UAE/Asia but again to get a job in any geography takes a lot of time as you'll need to network and make those amazing applications and given the limited time you'll have during/after the MBA program it's more beneficial to focus on only one geography which most logically happen to be US.

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Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.

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That's what I learned from folks whom I talked to over last few days... I have talked to like 5-7 people and also to my admissions director. Having said that, I think it also depends on the industry you're recruiting for. In my experience, Tech. guys seemed much more confident than others.

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Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.

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Oh if that is the case with Kellogg, that's awesome. My networks in Kellogg 2 year full time MBA says differently. But its fine, may be its good there.

Nice, I am recruiting for Tech. I have been in Tech industry for 9 years before coming to Tepper. I interned at Tech.

I guess Kellogg might be good. All the best

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Hi Everyone, the more I am talking to Indian students and alumni across schools in US, the more negative statements I am receiving, and everyone is suggesting to wait and watch and let go this year's admit or request for deferral.
There seems to be uncertainty and struggle for Internships and full time opportunities, and with expected developments ( from Trump) it might get worse.
What do you guys suggest.

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3 of my friends are doing their MBA/MS from US and they all suggested me to defer. Even they are facing issues while find a job. I am not sure what is going to happen.