SCHULICH YORK (Canada) suspicious practice !!!

Question

Hi guys , 
I have a lot of time since now I am selected into my dream school. Phew it was not easy applying to half a dozen schools and wait with baited breath for a mail from them.
But during all this application process I stumbled upon a small nefarious practice that SCHULICH YORK in Canada is engaged in.
While writing this post I can personally vouch and assure that I have done my bit of journalistic investigation before hand and I am absolutely convinced that whatever follows in the coming lines is the truth and the whole truth. 
 
I have talked with a bunch of fellows from India, Nepal and Srilanka who have been selected this year or selected previous years at some of the Canadian B-Schools. 
Now SCHULIH YORK have a high ranking in the Canadian B-schools and thus a lot of people who do not want to go to US or Europe applies for these Canadian Schools and thus also to SCHULICH YORK.

I did the same and came across a highly suspicious practice SCHULICH is engaging in. 
They will reply to all your mails and encourage you to apply, pay the fees and then later they will send you a mail that the application load for the year is too much and all the seats are filled but then they will dangle a carrot in front of you by saying - they find your profile worthy of a merit and thus they are asking you to apply to their campus in Hyderabad India or wait for six months for their next winter/summer cycle.. They did the same to me and also to more than a dozen students from Asian countries.

Now I have checked their website and found that they have no problem giving admission to Second generation Asian that were born in Canada. 
This is a nice play that fits their plans perfectly. They are able to maintain a diverse ethnic group in their class and also they don't have to "import" Asian students from other countries. I do not why they are doing this but the truth is there for everyone to see.

If any one has felt the same and if SCHULICH have done the same to them, then please feel free to write about your experience here.

Thanks

ATTACHED ARE SOME SCREENSHOTS FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE APPLIED TO    CANDIAN CAMPUS    AND WERE ADMITTED IN    INDIAN CAMPUS    INSTEAD.

abhimahna · Answer

Good to see your post after so many months,  LogicGuru1

Thanks for sharing this information. It may help many people from this SCAM.

Morgan15 · Answer

Are you serious?

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Rookie84 · Answer

I am not sure if I'd go as far as call it a "SCAM." In all programs, Indian applicant pool is probably the most competitive. Thus the bar is raised much higher for Indian applicants. They cannot strictly evaluate candidates on merit alone as they need to maintain diversity in nationalities of the student body.

I for one, got accepted within 3 weeks of submitting my application and I am a Korean. And my profile isn't exactly a rock star.

I don't see anything wrong with encouraging rejected applicants with good profiles, especially Indians, to apply to their MBA program in India. I understand the frustration from an applicant's point of view, but to call it a "SCAM" seems to be a bit of stretch. Schulich probably has the largest number of internationals among Canadian programs given their humongous class size.

LogicGuru1 · Answer

I cannot figure the tone of your comment. SO now there are two scenarios in answering your question:- SCENARIO 1) If you are asking in earnestness, then I am serious. Yes !! SCHULICH YORK is manipulating its class-demographic based on region. I have mail Conversations and telephones calls from about 12 students who have confirmed that SCHULICH is thrusting the India campus down their throat. SCENARIO 2) If your tone is sarcastic, then I cannot help you in believing me or the true facts. You can check my credentials over here

. I am not a troll. Wait for a few days while people start to pour their experience about SCHULICH YORK in this post.

LogicGuru1 · Answer

Good to see you too !! I am very happy to see some of the top schools in your profile. Finally the hard work has paid of

huh buddy :D Final decision where as to which one you decided to join ?

LogicGuru1 · Answer

Well, Good to see that you accept your profile is not a rockstar profile.
The problem is my profile is almost near close to a rockstar profile (as you put it)
I applied in 6 schools and was accepted in 4 schools with in one months of applying and another school (the fifth one) is yet to decide on my application.
SCHULICH YORK was the only school that rejected me for a flimsy reason that I should go to their India Campus.

p.s:- Also my post was directed specifically to Indian, Srilankan and Nepali students. I am not concerned (at least in this post) about Korean, or Chinese or Singaporean Students. The reason I wrote that post was to interact with Indian students to let them know that SCHULICH is and will try to forcibly push its India Campus down their throats. It was a warning for Students to be aware that this is a practise that SCHULICH is engaging in since they inaugurated their India Campus.

p.p.s- I am not frustrated

In fact I am ecstatic and excited to go a school of my choice. I think using the word "frustrated" was a poor choice of word but I will let it pass since English is not your primary language.

Rookie84

I am not sure if I'd go as far as call it a "SCAM." In all programs, Indian applicant pool is probably the most competitive. Thus the bar is raised much higher for Indian applicants. They cannot strictly evaluate candidates on merit alone as they need to maintain diversity in nationalities of the student body.

I for one, got accepted within 3 weeks of submitting my application and I am a Korean. And my profile isn't exactly a rock star.

I don't see anything wrong with encouraging rejected applicants with good profiles, especially Indians, to apply to their MBA program in India. I understand the frustration from an applicant's point of view, but to call it a "SCAM" seems to be a bit of stretch. Schulich probably has the largest number of internationals among Canadian programs given their humongous class size.

In fact I am ecstatic and excited to go a school of my choice. I think using the word "frustrated" was a poor choice of word but I will let it pass since English is not your primary language. And yes what SCHULICH is doing is a SCAM. You are paying for a sneakers from "NIKE" and they are giving you a sneaker from "NICE" . That is the very essential definition of a scam.

Rookie84 · Answer

Hey there.

What kind of crap is this? Are we going to talk about English fluency now? Why don't you first look at the post you typed which is full of grammatical errors, then? If you don't like the choice of my word, then just say it. Don't take things personally and throw a cheap shot at me. I thought someone with a "rock star profile" entering an MBA program would be much more mature than this. And how do you know that English is not my primary language?

I don't even want to begin to correct all the grammatical errors in this paragraph, Mr. EnglishIsMyPrimaryLanguage.

Would you care to share the rock star profile? Which schools did you apply to?

I did not know that Asia consisted of three countries. Refer to what you said in the first post, which I quoted below.

You said ASIAN COUNTRIES. That includes Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Singaporeans, Taiwanese, etc. Try to be more specific next time instead of referring to a whole continent.

Going back to Schulich "forcibly push its India Campus down their throats," (again, the grammatical errors are horrendous in this sentence but I will let it go for now) nobody is forcing anything. Schulich cannot force you to pay the tuition and attend its campus in India. Is Schulich pointing a gun at you?

Again, I do not think that it is unreasonable to assume that you are "frustrated" from your posts. I do not have any affiliation with Schulich to defend its admissions practices (well, I chose McGill over Schulich for one...), but the claims you are making seem to be a far stretch.

Rookie84 · Answer

I see that you made some edits while I was typing my reply.

Your logic is flawed here. When you buy a pair of sneakers, you pay for the item. If the store gives you something other than what you paid for, then yes, it is a scam.

You are not paying for an admission when submitting your application to an MBA program. You are paying for the admissions committee to review your application, which they did. Therefore, you got exactly what you paid for. There is absolutely nothing wrong. Just because they rejected you and recommended that you attend their campus in India, you cannot claim that it is a "SCAM" because it is not. They have every right to reject your application even if you think you have a rock star profile. They also have every right to recommend you to their MBA program in India. You have the choice on whether to take their recommendation. You are not forced in any way whatsoever to attend Schulich's campus in India. While I understand the disappointment and frustration from being rejected to the main campus, I really do not see much wrong with what Schulich is doing.

bb · Answer

Good to see you back LogicGuru! Been a while. 
Thank you for bringing up an interesting topic. It is very helpful to point out to those applying. There are several schools that have multiple campuses and they will shuffle people around or rather they have a Campus "A" and Campus "B" - that's true of Insead, ISB i think and a few others. They are simply thinking like smart business people and managing space - demand for top MBA programs has been through the roof and they want to capitalize on this trend (perhaps a short term gain but long term lose but we will see). I don't think there is anything negative or dishonest in encouraging students to apply for the second less prestigious campus/program.

As to encouraging students to apply and answering their emails - all schools will do that and all AdComs will be vague with answers to your questions and ALL will encourage you to apply. They want as many applicants as possible. What kind of business man would refuse a customer into a store, even if a poor one who lacks money. You never know if they come back next year and buy something. It is also wise to encourage everyone to apply since you never know how good/bad a candidate is until you see their whole story and application.

I personally don't think it is a terrible thing, rather this should be something people need to be aware of - schools with 2 campuses.

What am I missing?

LogicGuru1 · Answer

Hey bb, 
Good to see you too.

What you have written in your post makes perfect sense. Well, I guess I also have no problems with schools having 2 campuses. 
IIM India have 6 + counting. UBC have HAAS and Anderson. INSEAD as you mentioned.

The thing that bothered me with SCHULICH was the consistent effort on their part to convince students to join the India Campus. 
I got two mails from a guy named Kirthi and another guy named Satyajit and they tried a very hard sales pitch. 
Now Schulich doesn't need to do that. It's a top school in Canada. Moreover I have categorically stated in my letter on intent and my essay that I was looking for more international exposure. As you can see in my OP screenshot that some of the guys who have applied for Canada campus were offered seats to Indian Campus.

During the application process students are under a lot of uncertainty and stress and might make a hasty judgement based on the approaching deadlines and the mildly flattering mail that SCHULICH sends ('We would like you to explore our Indian Campus because your profile is a good fit for our program and such').
It is well known that most student applies to a bunch of colleges and the negatory response from even one of these school might affect the mental state of the applicant. Now we all know that most Schools need a confirmatory fees or an initial fee with the fully filled admission form. If some student mistakenly assumes that he has made the cut for the Schulich program but is offered a seat in India instead of canada because of logistic constraint and that nothing better would (or would not) come his/her way, he/he would be more inclined to join the Indian Campus and risk losing a substantial amount of money in case he/she is selected in another program just a few days later.

The aim of my original post was to let students know that this is being done by SCHULICH. Of course we are all adults to make our own decisions as to accept or reject an admission offer.

But it is also true that I have interacted with many Indian (+ near by nationalities) and some of them have (even those who want to join foreign schools) have taken admission to the India Campus. Some of them categorically denied the offer and were later admitted to Rotman, Monash (Australia), Mannheim (Germany) and other schools. 
I guess I wanted people to know that fact and also somewhere I wanted other students to share similar experience to have a meaningful conversation about the same. 
I think it escalated into something that was not my intention. All I wanted was to share and hear similar stories.

I totally agree that SCHULICH should inform applicants using a disclaimer that some students might be offered seats in Indian Campus. They should have an option in the online application itself.:- I am willing to join the India Campus YES, NO , MAY BE

But yes I think the post is more of a non issue in case a student is adamant enough to join school other than his native country. 
Ironically enough the post is again a non issue in case a applicant is desperate enough to get a degree from any SCHULICH campus.

p.s.:- It is good to be back here again after a 6 months break

keats · Answer

I was given the same option for the Fall of 2016, however, I denied it and my Schulich application was deferred to the Winter 2017 intake. I finally didn't attend as I had other options available.

An additional point that I would like to make - I was introduced to this option and in fact, marketed around well too. However, I wasn't forced to pick one. I used my judgement and said "No".

Morgan15 · Answer

I'm not saying you're a troll. But coming to a conclusion like this with anecdotal evidence seems hardly a good way to go about it. You mentioned you have a near rockstar profile. Perhaps they were trying to protect their yield? There are lots of other explanations. My first instinct wouldn't be imply there's a grand racial conspiracy going on.

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tyor · Answer

Hi OP, 
you have said all these things because you are (probably) hurting. About admitting 2nd generation Asians, let me state clearly that Africans also encounter these challenges with US schools. There are Americans who are 2nd-4th generation africans who only remember that they are african, so that they can take advantage of diversity quota with Bschools. These people use their African citizenship, e.g. Nigerian, hold first degrees and superb work experience in the US, and are thus, seen as stronger candidates than the rest of us. So, you have a superb profile based on stats, but the Indian-Canadian is able to demonstrate FIT (i.e. understanding of the Canadian Business environment, open-mindedness, passion to add value to Canada, etc).

Secondly, on the issue of Hyderabad campus. The school has probably filled-up its Toronto campus already and has space elsewhere. The school (in the absence of a campus) would have DINGED you out-rightly but, it has considered that your profile is strong enough to compete in India. More importantly, what you want is to have access to the Canadian immigration advantage, which you also get even at Hyderabad campus. So, what is your beef with Schulich?

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