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Sara: Anthropologists estimate that diseases brought to the Western Hemisphere by the first Europeans, including smallpox, hepatitis, typhus, and measles, killed 95 percent of the Native American population and allowed Europeans to begin their conquest of the continent. If the Native American population had been twenty times greater, only 4.75 percent of the population would have died, and the Europeans would never have been able to conquer North and South America.

Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average.

Which of the following, if true, would most weaken Michele’s conclusion?

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk.
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus.
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity.
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations.
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction.
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Sara said: Europeans brought diseases and these diseases killed 95% of the Americans.

Michele said: No Man, your numbers are too high. Max declined could be 75%.

Assumption: He is thinking not all people are same.

We need to weaken it.

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk. : What is this milk and sugar? Non sense. Incorrect
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus. If they knew it, then Michelle could be right. A strengthener.
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity. : Yes, so people were of same genetics and could be impacted more.
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations. : OFS. No relevance
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction. Whether they die or not is irrelevant.
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Option C is be the right answer. Here , though the fact that colonization by Europeans began with the arrival of Columbus is known from our general knowledge the prompt should have ideally mentioned it. As far as I know GMAT does not test our knowledge of history or any other subject on the verbal part.
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Option C is be the right answer. Here , though the fact that colonization by Europeans began with the arrival of Columbus is known from our general knowledge the prompt should have ideally mentioned it. As far as I know GMAT does not test our knowledge of history or any other subject on the verbal part.


Why C over D?

If the black death rates were higher in specific areas, than the conclusion that the death rate is too high is wrong, as there is no limit to how high the death rate could be.

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C is correct - I used the following reasoning:
Sara: Anthropologists estimate that diseases brought to the Western Hemisphere by the first Europeans, including smallpox, hepatitis, typhus, and measles, killed 95 percent of the Native American population and allowed Europeans to begin their conquest of the continent. If the Native American population had been twenty times greater, only 4.75 percent of the population would have died, and the Europeans would never have been able to conquer North and South America.

Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average.Essentially she says that there was a greater population in America than the dialogue above has explained - so we need to undermine this

Which of the following, if true, would most weaken Michele’s conclusion?

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk.:/ completely irrelevant - sugar and digestion as a cause has not been mentioned anywhere
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus.Strengthens Michelle's conclusion
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity.Yes can help explain why S's argument makes sense - if they had no immunity the slightest infection could have killed several more
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations.Black death is an extreme example used by Michelle to drive a point - whether or not it came to America that was mentioned by S (she only mentioned hepatitis/ typhus etc not black death. So D is out of scope and distracting
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction.randome fact

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No where in the argument it is mentioned about Columbus. So how can we consider that option. ? mike carcass egmat Veritas help needed expert s

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No where in the argument it is mentioned about Columbus. So how can we consider that option. ? mike carcass egmat Veritas help needed expert s


It is commonly believed that he discovered America (there are some disputes to it also),the continent; like Vasco de Gama discovered India, the sub-continent - i.e - he and his crew were one of the first to be on the land. And the immunity logic follows through - if he was one of the first to visit that land and they weren't exposed to anything else he could have spread some virus which would have had more virulent effect than usual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph ... tinct_land
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I agree to that. but generally we dont take new facts right in CR

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I agree to that. but generally we dont take new facts right in CR


New facts in CR are allowed for certain types of questions: strengthen the argument, weaken the argument, assumption problems, and paradox problems. We do not consider outside information for: main point, method of reasoning, or find the flaw problems (I believe).
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C is correct - I used the following reasoning:
Sara: Anthropologists estimate that diseases brought to the Western Hemisphere by the first Europeans, including smallpox, hepatitis, typhus, and measles, killed 95 percent of the Native American population and allowed Europeans to begin their conquest of the continent. If the Native American population had been twenty times greater, only 4.75 percent of the population would have died, and the Europeans would never have been able to conquer North and South America.

Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average.Essentially she says that there was a greater population in America than the dialogue above has explained - so we need to undermine this

Which of the following, if true, would most weaken Michele’s conclusion?

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk.:/ completely irrelevant - sugar and digestion as a cause has not been mentioned anywhere
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus.Strengthens Michelle's conclusion
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity.Yes can help explain why S's argument makes sense - if they had no immunity the slightest infection could have killed several more
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations.Black death is an extreme example used by Michelle to drive a point - whether or not it came to America that was mentioned by S (she only mentioned hepatitis/ typhus etc not black death. So D is out of scope and distracting
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction.randome fact

Hope this was helpful to anyone looking for reasons for C. Hit kudos if it was useful :)


my doubt here is that the passage explicitly mentions "Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average"
even with extreme vulnerability the death rate should not have been more than 75%
so even if Americans were genetically less diverse than Europeans and had low natural immunity the death rate should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average
I am confused :cry:

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We need to basically undermine the second conclusion - "which of the following, if true, would most weaken Michele’s conclusion" - her conclusion is that the death rate mentioned by S is too high (she mentions 95% of pop); it is realistically between 50-75%. It strengthens S's conclusion that the first Europeans lowered the population by introducing them to lots of diseases --> C talks about lack of genetic diversity which means more people could have died.

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Sara said: Europeans brought diseases and these diseases killed 95% of the Americans.

Michele said: No Man, your numbers are too high. Max declined could be 75%.

Assumption: He is thinking not all people are same.

We need to weaken it.

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk. : What is this milk and sugar? Non sense. Incorrect
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus. If they knew it, then Michelle could be right. A strengthener.
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity. : Yes, so people were of same genetics and could be impacted more.
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations. : OFS. No relevance
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction. Whether they die or not is irrelevant.


Hi abhimahna bruh,

I am really confused now.

See, my understanding in general of a GMAT question is that the premise is always correct. Conclusion can be flawed.
For example: If a GMAT questions states that "Sun is rectangle. So, all squares are sun." --> This may not be logical in real world, but it is perfectly logical argument as far as GMAT is concerned.

Coming back to the question at hand.

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Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average.


The highlighted part strictly takes into consideration that the American could have been extremely vulnerable, and option "C" talks about the "low immunity". Isn't this the same information from the passage? Isn't it restating what is written in the passage?

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Sara said: Europeans brought diseases and these diseases killed 95% of the Americans.

Michele said: No Man, your numbers are too high. Max declined could be 75%.

Assumption: He is thinking not all people are same.

We need to weaken it.

(A) Native Americans generally lacked the enzyme that would allow them to digest the sugars in milk. : What is this milk and sugar? Non sense. Incorrect
(B) Knowledge of medicine in Native America was much more advanced than in Europe at the time of Columbus. If they knew it, then Michelle could be right. A strengthener.
(C) At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity. : Yes, so people were of same genetics and could be impacted more.
(D) The death rates from the Black Death were higher than 33 percent in specific locations. : OFS. No relevance
(E) Diseases that quickly kill more than 75 percent of their infected hosts usually die off with their host’s extinction. Whether they die or not is irrelevant.


Hi abhimahna bruh,

I am really confused now.

See, my understanding in general of a GMAT question is that the premise is always correct. Conclusion can be flawed.
For example: If a GMAT questions states that "Sun is rectangle. So, all squares are sun." --> This may not be logical in real world, but it is perfectly logical argument as far as GMAT is concerned.

Coming back to the question at hand.

gmatexam439 wrote:
Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average.


The highlighted part strictly takes into consideration that the American could have been extremely vulnerable, and option "C" talks about the "low immunity". Isn't this the same information from the passage? Isn't it restating what is written in the passage?

Awaiting your reply bro.
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Hi Gmat,

The reason (C) works in this case is because immunity and diversity are two different things. Immunity is resistance within a person or group, whereas diversity is how different the people are. A group could be diverse, but still have no immunity to a common cold. On the flip side, the group could not be diverse, but have an immunity to a certain disease. Question: Native Americans not diverse -- less immunity -- more death. Your highlighted part talks about low immunity, so death must occur. The answer relates low immunity to low diversity, and subsequently death. I think this is where you became confused.

I hope this helps!
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Hi Gmat,

The reason (C) works in this case is because immunity and diversity are two different things. Immunity is resistance within a person or group, whereas diversity is how different the people are. A group could be diverse, but still have no immunity to a common cold. On the flip side, the group could not be diverse, but have an immunity to a certain disease. Question: Native Americans not diverse -- less immunity -- more death. Your highlighted part talks about low immunity, so death must occur. The answer relates low immunity to low diversity, and subsequently death. I think this is where you became confused.

I hope this helps!


Hi Night,

Option C: "At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity"
This option is relating the diversity to immunity.

While the - "Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases" - part in the passage is correlating immunity with exposure to diseases.

In both the scenarios, death is happening because of the lack of immunity. If we see cause and effect, the cause of death is same. The cause of immunity can be different, since the passage is just taking into account only 1 scenario in the aforesaid lines. So, is it really a weakener?

What are your thoughts?

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Hi Gmat,

The reason (C) works in this case is because immunity and diversity are two different things. Immunity is resistance within a person or group, whereas diversity is how different the people are. A group could be diverse, but still have no immunity to a common cold. On the flip side, the group could not be diverse, but have an immunity to a certain disease. Question: Native Americans not diverse -- less immunity -- more death. Your highlighted part talks about low immunity, so death must occur. The answer relates low immunity to low diversity, and subsequently death. I think this is where you became confused.

I hope this helps!


Hi Night,

Option C: "At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity"
This option is relating the diversity to immunity.

While the - "Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases" - part in the passage is correlating immunity with exposure to diseases.

In both the scenarios, death is happening because of the lack of immunity. If we see cause and effect, the cause of death is same. The cause of immunity can be different, since the passage is just taking into account only 1 scenario in the aforesaid lines. So, is it really a weakener?

What are your thoughts?

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Hi Gmat,

The passage states "Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average."

In the argument, there is a reference to JUST diseases and not diversity. Her argument does not account for diversity as a reason why there might be death. This fact weakens her argument that the number should be lower. She pins the death toll solely on disease and immunity, not on diversity. If Europeans were as diverse as Native American's, then her comparison would stand. But, because Native American's are less diverse, her numbers cannot be accurate by simply pointing out their exposure to diseases. It would low-ball the figure, most likely. Less diversity would mean MORE death. Her argument doesn't account for this.

Does this satisfy? If not, I can take another crack at it from a different point of view!
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nightblade354 wrote:
Hi Gmat,

The reason (C) works in this case is because immunity and diversity are two different things. Immunity is resistance within a person or group, whereas diversity is how different the people are. A group could be diverse, but still have no immunity to a common cold. On the flip side, the group could not be diverse, but have an immunity to a certain disease. Question: Native Americans not diverse -- less immunity -- more death. Your highlighted part talks about low immunity, so death must occur. The answer relates low immunity to low diversity, and subsequently death. I think this is where you became confused.

I hope this helps!


Hi Night,

Option C: "At the time of Columbus, Native Americans were much less genetically diverse than Europeans, so there were fewer possibilities of natural immunity"
This option is relating the diversity to immunity.

While the - "Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases" - part in the passage is correlating immunity with exposure to diseases.

In both the scenarios, death is happening because of the lack of immunity. If we see cause and effect, the cause of death is same. The cause of immunity can be different, since the passage is just taking into account only 1 scenario in the aforesaid lines. So, is it really a weakener?

What are your thoughts?

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Hi Gmat,

The passage states "Michele: Those death rates are way too high. The average rate of death in Europe from the most virulent epidemic in recorded history, the Black Death of the 14th century, was only 33 percent. Even if the Native American populations were extremely vulnerable due to their never having been exposed to these diseases, the cumulative death rate of all of the diseases should not have been more than 50 to 75 percent on average."

In the argument, there is a reference to JUST diseases and not diversity. Her argument does not account for diversity as a reason why there might be death. This fact weakens her argument that the number should be lower. She pins the death toll solely on disease and immunity, not on diversity. If Europeans were as diverse as Native American's, then her comparison would stand. But, because Native American's are less diverse, her numbers cannot be accurate by simply pointing out their exposure to diseases. It would low-ball the figure, most likely. Less diversity would mean MORE death. Her argument doesn't account for this.

Does this satisfy? If not, I can take another crack at it from a different point of view!


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