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New post 29 Sep 2013, 09:33
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chan4312 wrote:
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her
lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social
worker.
A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
no correct idiom..
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
parallelism fails
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
correct. parallel ...ans also idiom so.that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
parallelism fails
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that
parallelism fails

IMO C


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C cannot be the choice because it uses-'Her' but there is no direct name referent.

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'her' is a valid usage in C as its in possessive form. However you cannot use a subject pronoun - 'she'
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her
lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social
worker.
A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that
2 Parallel Sentences here to be checked...
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt .......
So persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt .......
Here both colored portion are parallel and correct sentences independently.

Here the sentences are joined, but second parallel structure is joined in. But the second parallel structure has been converted to a Absolute phrase by deleting the verb(was) from second sentence.
So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, so persistent was her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D.
Roosevelt recruited ....
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New post 17 May 2014, 12:43
Very informational post by e-GMAT! :)
I almost took a little over 2 minutes (30 seconds to choose between C and E) and arrived at E only due to parallelism.
C is in active voice and E is in the same voice as the clause before the underlined part.
Is is safe to assume that this is a 700+ question? I have hardly observed such ellipsis at play questions on the mocks that I have given
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Very informational post by e-GMAT! :)
I almost took a little over 2 minutes (30 seconds to choose between C and E) and arrived at E only due to parallelism.
C is in active voice and E is in the same voice as the clause before the underlined part.
Is is safe to assume that this is a 700+ question? I have hardly observed such ellipsis at play questions on the mocks that I have given


Thanks alot @paranoidvik for your kind words of appreciation. :) It gives us immense pleasure when GMAT community gets benefited from our posts :)

This question is a 700+ level question. :) So pat yourself for getting it correct. But at the same time, you took more than 2 minutes to answer it correctly. So you should spend the time learning from this question not just the concept but also the approach. Ask yourself - why did I take longer to answer this question? Why could I not spot the voice difference between choices C and E. In fact this is the key difference between the two close choices. From the meaning of the sentence you should have figured out that there are two things that the author talks about - so dogged was something, so persistent was something. And hence the requirement of making them parallel. So you should definitely introspect why you got tangled in these two choices.

Now coming to ellipsis in this question - There are two official questions in this post itself in which we see such parallelism. Now is such ellipsis application very prevalent - I would say no. But its worth noting such usages down so that you are not stumped by them if you see such usage in the exam environment. From ellipsis standpoint, I suggest you review our article on ellipsis in detail if you have not already done so. :)

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New post 20 May 2014, 02:27
I have gone through all the mails posted by people in the above posts.

However I am still not clear why the correct option E actually does not use "and" in between the 2 parts of the sentence (So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, AND so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform).

Without the use of "and", option E really sounds very strange. So is there a grammar rule that someone can help me with, that is working in option E.
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Like many SC Q's this is a direct pick up from NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260

E is correct.

As goalsnr said, So X, So Y that Z is perfectly correct. Other wise NY Times would not use it.


The NYT statement is as follows:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

"and" is missing in option E. How can it be correct?

@mikemcgarry, please help...
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New post 03 Sep 2014, 06:50
Hi guys,

I actually got this question on a GMATPrep CAT and unfortunately had an error.

Now I directly saw the 'So X, so Y' structure, but thought (E) included an error, because it had "her" referring back to "Frances Perkins' ". Now I thought that her can refer back to a noun/subject and while in this case it appears it is referring back to Frances Perkins, it is referring back to the possessive "Frances Perkins' ". Is this possible and in what cases can we use "she" and "her"?

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New post 10 Jan 2016, 00:07
This is supposed to be an adaptation of an excerpt from the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/14/books ... -club.html

Quote:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

Choice E that corresponds to the version in the magazine misses an important ‘and’ before ‘so’; otherwise E may be the best choice. All the same, a disappointing question because of the poor transcription form the creator of this question, incidentally, GMATPREP

Interesting to note Ron’s comments about this

Re: SC set 27 Question 17 So dogged were Frances Perkins investi

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If it's a correct answer, it's a correct answer.

This is a really, really old problem (over 10 years old, if it's in "set 27"). The current GMAT won't test such oddly constructed sentences, so it's best to forget about this one altogether.

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New post 13 Feb 2016, 20:15
why the second clause contain no verb
I think
so persistent was
is better.

very strange pattern
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thangvietnam wrote:
why the second clause contain no verb
I think
so persistent was
is better.

very strange pattern



You can find full explanation for that pattern here. I hope it helps.

http://www.beatthegmat.com/parallelism- ... 96011.html

so-dogged-were-frances-perkins-investigations-of-the-garment-93584.html?fl=similar
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icandy wrote:
Like many SC Q's this is a direct pick up from NY Times

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260

E is correct.

As goalsnr said, So X, So Y that Z is perfectly correct. Other wise NY Times would not use it.


The NYT statement is as follows:
So dogged were her investigations of the garment industry, and so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that she was first recruited by Gov. Al Smith, and later by Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt, to work within New York State government, rather than against it.

"and" is missing in option E. How can it be correct?

mikemcgarry, please help...


I agree with you, there is the conjunction 'and' in the original sentence. Not sure how this sentence is correct.
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y (missing "That")
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y, so that Z
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that --> Structure is correct "So X, Y, that" but Y does not logically fit into sentence, also X and Y are not parallel
"So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
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D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent, --> "that" missing
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that --> Correct structure: So X, so Y, that Z
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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y (missing "That")
B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that --> Wrong Structure: So X , and Y, so that Z
C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that --> Structure is correct "So X, Y, that" but Y does not logically fit into sentence, also X and Y are not parallel
"So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that
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D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent, --> "that" missing
E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that --> Correct structure: So X, so Y, that Z


The answer choice 'E' is also wrong. The second 'so' will be preceded by 'and'. Check the NYT link.
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IMO E is the best choice for this question but it also has an error pointed out in the comments above:
"her" in the second clause should refer to Francis Perkins,but actually "her" is referring to Francis Perkins' investigations in option e too.
So how is option e or this question itself not wrong? :|
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We need to maintain parallelism between the investigation and her lobbying , also we need that before Alfred E. Smith.
Option E has correct parallelism and correct placement of that.
Correct idiom is So.........That
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New post 10 Aug 2017, 03:07
I got this question and chose C because option E had so again. I wasn't aware of the idiom So X, So Y ...that

My question here is what the question is testing? I don't think it is just the So....that idiom....

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So dogged were Frances Perkins’ investigations of the garment industry, and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, Alfred E. Smith and Franklin D. Roosevelt recruited Perkins to work within the government, rather than as a social worker.

A. and her lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent,

',' used to join IC( Alfred E...... social worker) with IC(her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect
',and' used to join DC(so dogged...industry) with IC (her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect


B. and lobbying for wage and hour reform was persistent, so that

',and' used to join DC(so dogged...industry) with IC (her lobbying...persistent) : Incorrect[/color]

C. her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent, that

"her" works as adjective modifying ' lobbying' ; noun phrase "her lobbying for wage and hour reform persistent" wrongly modifies preceding clause. Incorrect

D. lobbying for wage and hour reform was so persistent,

wrong modification

E. so persistent her lobbying for wage and hour reform, that

So X , So Y , That.... Correct



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