Last visit was: 27 Apr 2026, 06:10 It is currently 27 Apr 2026, 06:10
Close
GMAT Club Daily Prep
Thank you for using the timer - this advanced tool can estimate your performance and suggest more practice questions. We have subscribed you to Daily Prep Questions via email.

Customized
for You

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History

Track
Your Progress

every week, we’ll send you an estimated GMAT score based on your performance

Practice
Pays

we will pick new questions that match your level based on your Timer History
Not interested in getting valuable practice questions and articles delivered to your email? No problem, unsubscribe here.
Close
Request Expert Reply
Confirm Cancel
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
User avatar
bb
User avatar
Founder
Joined: 04 Dec 2002
Last visit: 26 Apr 2026
Posts: 43,163
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 24,683
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 750 Q49 V42
GPA: 3
Products:
Expert
Expert reply
Active GMAT Club Expert! Tag them with @ followed by their username for a faster response.
GMAT 1: 750 Q49 V42
Posts: 43,163
Kudos: 83,736
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Thanks guys for advise.. I recently took my TOEFL and GMAT tests. As i anticipated, GMAT was a complete failure, I even thought about cancelling my scores but was very curious on how I could score w/t proper and solid preparation. So i got 370. It's a disaster. I know I'm stupid and everything.. I was very ashamed and still very very dissapointed. Anyway, I decided not to give up, I have a year ahead to do GMAT studying.. but still at times I think is it real to get from 370 to 650 at least? I mean is GMAT all about being that smart or it can still be taught?
Well, as for my TOEFL test ..I was mixed up. I mean, I didn't prepare for it cause didn't have time.. and when I went to the test center I started worrying and everything.. I couldn't focus on reading, was struggling with Listening trying not to watch at the walls, but the worst thing for me was Speaking. I could barely made myself talk to the monitor. So i finished the test and went out with a bad sense that I wouldn't get even 80. And yesterday I checked my login and found out the scores... I got 103 :))) I know this is not a very good score, but taking into consideration that I felt bad at the test (due to my flight to Seoul to take it) and couldn't make myself be focused, I was very glad that I scored more than it's required by the university.. But still feel like not really satisfied with my TOEFL scores.. cause if I had prepared for it at least for a month, I could've got more..
What do you think guys? Should I take TOEFL again? And should I take GMAT prep course or is it all about self-discipline regarding consistent studing for the test on my own?

Thanks :)
User avatar
nink
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
Last visit: 05 Jun 2014
Posts: 2,395
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 548
Status:Burning mid-night oil....daily
Schools:Yale SOM 2011 Alum, Kellogg, Booth, Tuck
WE 1: IB - Restructuring & Distressed M&A
Products:
GMAT 1: 770 Q44 V50
Posts: 2,395
Kudos: 782
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
irina7k
I mean is GMAT all about being that smart or it can still be taught?

GMAT can't measure one's intelligence. That's not it's purpose. The exam score can be increased significantly through prepping and practicing with proper methods. (Proof? all the prep books and services available out there....)

Just invest some time and effort into prepping for the exam and you will see that slowly, your score will increase incrementally.
User avatar
bb
User avatar
Founder
Joined: 04 Dec 2002
Last visit: 26 Apr 2026
Posts: 43,163
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 24,683
Location: United States
GMAT 1: 750 Q49 V42
GPA: 3
Products:
Expert
Expert reply
Active GMAT Club Expert! Tag them with @ followed by their username for a faster response.
GMAT 1: 750 Q49 V42
Posts: 43,163
Kudos: 83,736
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
irina7k

What do you think guys? Should I take TOEFL again? And should I take GMAT prep course or is it all about self-discipline regarding consistent studing for the test on my own?

Thanks :)

Almost all schools require TOEFL of 100 or less.

TOEFL score does not count - it is a pass/fail only. If you have a score higher than required by the school (usually 100), it is a pass, but it does not matter by how much, so don't invest a minute more of your time unless your school requires a higher TOEFL score.
User avatar
superguy619
Joined: 24 May 2009
Last visit: 12 Feb 2011
Posts: 16
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 16
Kudos: 8
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
hey,
trust me nothing is impossible.all thats required is few weeks/months of concentrated effort.it will definitely sail u thru the gmat -trust me on that.if u think,then u shuld get sm free time out and study hard.you might have gone thru so many blogs,i experienced my self( see my thread),that no matter at what low level u were,if u work hard u can get to ur dream score...
All thats needed is sheer hard work of few weeks.
i surely beleieve that u have in urself to do so.
will be waiting to hear about ur success story in coming months.
chers and best of luck
bye!!!
User avatar
Pathfinder
User avatar
Retired Moderator
Joined: 01 Nov 2007
Last visit: 11 Nov 2018
Posts: 351
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 14
Schools:Wharton Class of 2011
Posts: 351
Kudos: 122
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
irina7k
Hi guys!and as I'm not a native speaker being in the US will help me a lot.
No, it's not going to help you at all. Some of my friends have done that and they had zero added value. Simply, this test is created to trick native speakers, not to mention us internationals. TOEFL is a totally different story - even some 2 or 3 month stay in an English speaking area would do a miracle for TOEFL score. For GMAT - forget about it.

irina7k
Or do you think that it's possible to prepare on my own, w/t spending money on the classes?
Here you go. You can do it alone much better for consideraly lower ammount of money. And, yes, you have to do it while working. Beleive me, it's not nearly as bad as preparation for CFA after work :beat
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
bb
irina7k

What do you think guys? Should I take TOEFL again? And should I take GMAT prep course or is it all about self-discipline regarding consistent studing for the test on my own?

Thanks :)

Almost all schools require TOEFL of 100 or less.

TOEFL score does not count - it is a pass/fail only. If you have a score higher than required by the school (usually 100), it is a pass, but it does not matter by how much, so don't invest a minute more of your time unless your school requires a higher TOEFL score.

I just thought that among let's say two applicants with almost equal possibilities to be admitted to MBA, they will choose the one with the highest TOEFL score as indication of better command of English..
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
superguy619
hey,
trust me nothing is impossible.all thats required is few weeks/months of concentrated effort.it will definitely sail u thru the gmat -trust me on that.if u think,then u shuld get sm free time out and study hard.you might have gone thru so many blogs,i experienced my self( see my thread),that no matter at what low level u were,if u work hard u can get to ur dream score...
All thats needed is sheer hard work of few weeks.
i surely beleieve that u have in urself to do so.
will be waiting to hear about ur success story in coming months.
chers and best of luck
bye!!!

I read your story, it's amazing!!! You are so strong really that you didn't give up and did everything you could and probably what was even beyond that.. I'm also very impressed because you are a non-native English speaker! You know sometimes I even could get what the task was about in Quant Part..
Anyway.. YOU ROCK! Congratulations!! So where have you been admitted?
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Pathfinder
irina7k
Hi guys!and as I'm not a native speaker being in the US will help me a lot.
No, it's not going to help you at all. Some of my friends have done that and they had zero added value. Simply, this test is created to trick native speakers, not to mention us internationals. TOEFL is a totally different story - even some 2 or 3 month stay in an English speaking area would do a miracle for TOEFL score. For GMAT - forget about it.

irina7k
Or do you think that it's possible to prepare on my own, w/t spending money on the classes?
Here you go. You can do it alone much better for consideraly lower ammount of money. And, yes, you have to do it while working. Beleive me, it's not nearly as bad as preparation for CFA after work :beat

Yeah ic..probably I should just focus on my GMAT prep.. I'm thinking over now to quit my job because it's hard for me to combine both.. I work 10hrs per day, with only one day off.. not to mention that my work requires me to be at the construction site which is way too far from any civilization.. that environment sometimes stressed me out because I can't go for a walk, can't meet my friends and so on.

What's CFA?
avatar
irina7k
Joined: 17 May 2009
Last visit: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 9
Own Kudos:
Given Kudos: 2
Posts: 9
Kudos: 2
Kudos
Add Kudos
Bookmarks
Bookmark this Post
Guys.. I also need your advise on the following..
The reason why I decided to apply for MBA program is that now it's bad times, world economic crisis, high unemployment rate.. in Russia it's really hard to find a good job now, especially because I'm a recent graduate and my major's public administration, that doesn't refer to any economic specialization. I was lucky to get a good job at an American company but as I've mentioned above this is pretty hard to work at the construction site, where you live in a camp and almost all of the time you spend in the office, because simply there's no any Internet connection, TV set in your room and the food they cater us is bad.
That's why I decided that it's best to invest money in myself.. moving forward and studying in an English speaking country, as I've been learning English for more than 14 years and I still didn't have a chance to go to the US or UK..
But as I'm reading more and more about MBA, i think that probably it's too early for me to apply to MBA. My working experience is only 2 years, and it's not a managerial experience of course..
So what do you think ? Will it be valuable for me to study at MBA program with such work experience?
And I've also been recently said about MBA program at Seoul National University that has a dual program with Fuqua Business School of Duke University, but I don't have to take GMAT to apply for it, though I will need GMAT scores upon completing a year at SNU to be admitted to Duke which means that I will have a year ahead to prepare for the test.. or I will have more time to prepare for GMAT and apply to the US universities directly. What's best?
Moderator:
Founder
43163 posts