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Hey Marty,

Thanks for your wonderful insights as always. A great read it is.
Pretty awesome GMAT journey and learnings are as applicable to anyone at any level as it could be.

Best part was 3 levels of accuracy. I thought that one more level about incorrect answer would be there as i read but realised then that it would not be about accuracy but inaccuracy.

Finally, a round of applause for 'designing moon rockets in two minutes' :) . And thanks for writing it razor-sharp.

Can you share quant's 'performance over time'. Hope I'm not nagging.
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Hey Marty,

Thanks for your wonderful insights as always. A great read it is.
Pretty awesome GMAT journey and learnings are as applicable to anyone at any level as it could be.

Best part was 3 levels of accuracy. I thought that one more level about incorrect answer would be there as i read but realised then that it would not be about accuracy but inaccuracy.
I'm may change Level 1, because, currently Level 1 is in a way basically logically equivalent to Level 2.

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Here's my quant time management chart.

Notice that, even though I was ahead of the clock by the end of the first quartile, I didn't finish early. Instead, I slowed way down and double checked my work to make sure that I was answering correctly. Also, when I had found the answer to the last quant question, I waited until the last minute or so to click and used the minutes I had left by sitting there to extend the break between quant and verbal, so that I would be fresh for verbal. Hence the 2:49 per question for the last quartile.

To win the game, play every angle!

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Such an honest and matter-of-fact debrief! You've really highlighted the importance of "inner work" - if I'm correct, you're referring to managing one's emotions and thoughts while preparing for and taking the test. I'd like to know more about it. If you have already written an article about it and can share the same, I'd be grateful.

Also, I wanted to highlight this statement of yours "I did most of my practice untimed". People who are preparing for the test, please see that this guy who was at 780 and was working to improve his score did 'most' of his practice untimed, and you begin your practice by solving questions in a timed way. Baaadddd strategy!

Thank you, Marty, for the brilliant debrief!

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Such an honest and matter-of-fact debrief! You've really highlighted the importance of "inner work" - if I'm correct, you're referring to managing one's emotions and thoughts while preparing for and taking the test. I'd like to know more about it. If you have already written an article about it and can share the same, I'd be grateful.

Also, I wanted to highlight this statement of yours "I did most of my practice untimed". People who are preparing for the test, please see that this guy who was at 780 and was working to improve his score did 'most' of his practice untimed, and you begin your practice by solving questions in a timed way. Baaadddd strategy!

Thank you, Marty, for the brilliant debrief!

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HI ChiranjeevSingh

Is solving questions in a timed way,Baaadddd strategy?

Can you please brief or if you an article written can you provide the link :-)

Love to read your article and strategy :-)
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Thanks MartyTargetTestPrep . This is a classic.

You talk about doing a lot of your practice untimed.
1. Did you find that as you focused on accuracy, the timing naturally kept improving over time? Does this apply to both Quant and Verbal?
2. At what point (or level of accuracy) do you say to yourself that I have nailed the accuracy or my accuracy is good enough and now I am going to work on my timing?

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Thanks MartyTargetTestPrep . This is a classic.

You talk about doing a lot of your practice untimed.
1. Did you find that as you focused on accuracy, the timing naturally kept improving over time? Does this apply to both Quant and Verbal?
Yes, for sure.

Also, what I've found is that, as one becomes sufficiently skilled, the GMAT time constraints become something of a non-issue. In verbal, the time allotted per question is now significantly more than I need, and I have basically never done verbal timed practice. In fact, since I took that test, my verbal speed has increased without my doing any practice at all. What I have been doing is analyzing question after question to see how they work, and the result of that analysis is that I readily see everything going on in verbal questions and can answer them super fast.

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2. At what point (or level of accuracy) do you say to yourself that I have nailed the accuracy or my accuracy is good enough and now I am going to work on my timing?
I didn't really separate the two that much. I mean, if you are skilled, you are going to answer questions accurately and quickly. Right? So, mostly I focused on developing skill in general.

That said, I did realize that timing is a factor. So, I looked for ways to answer questions efficiently.

So, kind of like what you said, in some cases, after learning how to answer a type of question accurately, I would have to learn to answer questions of that type more quickly. However, I didn't do so by practicing timed. I did so by looking for efficiencies until I got my time under the limit.

I think that's the thing. There is clearly some utility to doing timed practice, but what I think is better is shooting for the time until you get there. So, if you are at 4 minutes per question for a type, shoot for three minutes. Then figure out how to get the time you need for that type down to two minutes.

Using that method, you aren't cutting yourself off at two minutes. You don't learn to succeed by cutting yourself off before you have succeeded. You learn to succeed in the allotted amount of time by giving yourself time to succeed over and over until you can succeed in the allotted amount of time.
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You've really highlighted the importance of "inner work" - if I'm correct, you're referring to managing one's emotions and thoughts while preparing for and taking the test. I'd like to know more about it. If you have already written an article about it and can share the same, I'd be grateful.
Hi CJ. I'm glad to hear that you like the debrief.

Regarding the inner work, it was more a re engineering of my being that involved using mediation type techniques to become aware of my unconscious aspects and changing what I found.

For instance, we all have unconscious (and conscious) beliefs and strategies that are suboptimal and, therefore, prevent us from manifesting our full potential. So, I would go into my unconscious to find such beliefs and strategies and change them to optimize myself for GMAT success.

For instance, as I was preparing for SC, I realized that maybe I had an issue with the concept of grammar. So, I meditated on grammar and realized that the very word makes my blood pressure go up. So, while, on a conscious level, I was learning grammar and seeking to apply it, unconsciously I had this really strong antipathy toward the concept of grammar. Now, if you despise something that you are learning about and working with, you are not going to perform as well as you would were you at peace with it. So, once I found that I had an issue with grammar, I meditated on and thought about grammar until my attitude toward grammar had softened.

Another thing I found in my unconscious was that I was missing questions on purpose if I didn't think they were written well, official questions even. I wanted to punish the question writers by getting their bad question wrong. LOL. That may sound pretty ridiculous, but it's a great example of the type of thing we do unconsciously. Ever wonder why you didn't get a question correct the first time when the answer was obvious to you the moment you looked at the question again? There's a good chance that you missed the question on purpose for some unconscious reason. So, anyway, after I discovered that self-sabotaging unconscious strategy, I though about what I was doing and meditated on it to convince the conscious and unconscious aspects of myself that punishing the question writers by getting their questions wrong was not a strategy to follow. Of course this change to myself resulted in an immediate improvement in accuracy.

Another type of strategy I used was going into my unconscious to find conflicts I had with succeeding. For instance, I searched for conflicts with such aspect of success as scoring high on the GMAT, getting quant questions correct, and getting questions correct the first time. In each case I found that, while consciously I was working to achieve those things, unconsciously, I was conflicted about doing so. For example, I had had a difficult time in my fourth grade math class. Somehow the experience rubbed me the wrong way. So, what I found in my unconscious was that, decades later, I was still angry at my fourth grade math teacher and sort of angry at math in general, and all that antipathy was hampering my quant performance. So, having found that issue, I addressed it, and my quant performance improved.

For someone who wants to apply these ideas in a simple way, You can ask yourself things like "Why would I not want to hit my score goal?" "What do I have against Critical Reasoning?" "What would I have against getting questions correct every time?"

Once, when I was working with a student in a session, he was making the silliest errors. We would literally laugh about how crazy his errors were. So, I decided to explore what he might have going on unconsciously. It turned out that, basically, he was unconsciously making the errors on purpose to entertain us.

In another case, a student whose score goal was 760 kept scoring 720. He scored 720 three times in a row despite preparing a lot between tests. So, I told him that probably he had some unconscious conflict with scoring 760. He went exploring and found that he really liked his current situation and was conflicted about going to business school. He addressed that unconscious issue, and, sure enough, he scored 760 the next time he took the test.

So, these types of approaches can be successfully used at a sophisticated, expert level and also at a basic level.
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Thanks MartyTargetTestPrep . This is a classic.

You talk about doing a lot of your practice untimed.
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Yes, for sure.

Also, what I've found is that, as one becomes sufficiently skilled, the GMAT time constraints become something of a non-issue. In verbal, the time allotted per question is now significantly more than I need, and I have basically never done verbal timed practice. In fact, since I took that test, my verbal speed has increased without my doing any practice at all. What I have been doing is analyzing question after question to see how they work, and the result of that analysis is that I readily see everything going on in verbal questions and can answer them super fast.

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2. At what point (or level of accuracy) do you say to yourself that I have nailed the accuracy or my accuracy is good enough and now I am going to work on my timing?
I didn't really separate the two that much. I mean, if you are skilled, you are going to answer questions accurately and quickly. Right? So, mostly I focused on developing skill in general.

That said, I did realize that timing is a factor. So, I looked for ways to answer questions efficiently.

So, kind of like what you said, in some cases, after learning how to answer a type of question accurately, I would have to learn to answer questions of that type more quickly. However, I didn't do so by practicing timed. I did so by looking for efficiencies until I got my time under the limit.

I think that's the thing. There is clearly some utility to doing timed practice, but what I think is better is shooting for the time until you get there. So, if you are at 4 minutes per question for a type, shoot for three minutes. Then figure out how to get the time you need for that type down to two minutes.

Using that method, you aren't cutting yourself off at two minutes. You don't learn to succeed by cutting yourself off before you have succeeded. You learn to succeed in the allotted amount of time by giving yourself time to succeed over and over until you can succeed in the allotted amount of time.

Thanks Marty, that is really useful to know and perhaps just what I wanted to hear at this stage of my preparation.
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Congratulations Marty! Best believe i used a lot of the techniques you bestowed upon me to fulfill my GMAT dream!
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I appreciate the level of detail in this post! This is a great resource for those that want to score in the elite top 1%.
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Congratulations.
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Сongratulations on this result!
Thank you for such a detailed description!
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I would expect nothing less than an A+ debrief from the only user on GMAT Club with a verified perfect 800 GMAT score!

Nice work, Marty, and thanks for sharing your wisdom.

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This is both a debrief of my GMAT preparation experience and an outline of how to score 800 on the GMAT. It’s a bit long, but it’s a fairly complete formula for maximizing your GMAT score regardless of what your score goal is.

Pre-Preparation – Developing the Mindset to Succeed


I had taken a practice test years before and scored 740 (Q44, V46). Now, you might think that, having scored 740 on a practice test, I didn’t think getting to 800 would be that difficult. However, the truth is that I didn’t have much experience preparing for a test like the GMAT, and when I took the practice test I felt pushed for time and beaten up a bit by the quant section. So, even the idea of getting from 740 to 760 seemed intimidating.
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I am bamboozled that your first practice test score was a 740 , which is before you had exp with prep for exams like GMAT !!! :-o
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I am bamboozled that your first practice test score was a 740 , which is before you had exp with prep for exams like GMAT !!! :-o
I didn't have much experience in preparing for a test like the GMAT, but I did have some experience with SAT math and with taking standardized tests in general. So, I wasn't a complete newbie at dealing with a tricky standardized test.

Also, my parents were education focused, would to talk about standardized tests over dinner, and basically started preparing me for the SAT the day I was born. So, while I wasn't really sure how to prepare for the GMAT, it wasn't as if I had no preparation.

So, you can see that, even that 740 "cold" test score was in a way an example of the results of effective preparation.
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You've really highlighted the importance of "inner work" - if I'm correct, you're referring to managing one's emotions and thoughts while preparing for and taking the test. I'd like to know more about it. If you have already written an article about it and can share the same, I'd be grateful.
Hi CJ. I'm glad to hear that you like the debrief.

Regarding the inner work, it was more a re engineering of my being that involved using mediation type techniques to become aware of my unconscious aspects and changing what I found.

For instance, we all have unconscious (and conscious) beliefs and strategies that are suboptimal and, therefore, prevent us from manifesting our full potential. So, I would go into my unconscious to find such beliefs and strategies and change them to optimize myself for GMAT success.

For instance, as I was preparing for SC, I realized that maybe I had an issue with the concept of grammar. So, I meditated on grammar and realized that the very word makes my blood pressure go up. So, while, on a conscious level, I was learning grammar and seeking to apply it, unconsciously I had this really strong antipathy toward the concept of grammar. Now, if you despise something that you are learning about and working with, you are not going to perform as well as you would were you at peace with it. So, once I found that I had an issue with grammar, I meditated on and thought about grammar until my attitude toward grammar had softened.

Another thing I found in my unconscious was that I was missing questions on purpose if I didn't think they were written well, official questions even. I wanted to punish the question writers by getting their bad question wrong. LOL. That may sound pretty ridiculous, but it's a great example of the type of thing we do unconsciously. Ever wonder why you didn't get a question correct the first time when the answer was obvious to you the moment you looked at the question again? There's a good chance that you missed the question on purpose for some unconscious reason. So, anyway, after I discovered that self-sabotaging unconscious strategy, I though about what I was doing and meditated on it to convince the conscious and unconscious aspects of myself that punishing the question writers by getting their questions wrong was not a strategy to follow. Of course this change to myself resulted in an immediate improvement in accuracy.

Another type of strategy I used was going into my unconscious to find conflicts I had with succeeding. For instance, I searched for conflicts with such aspect of success as scoring high on the GMAT, getting quant questions correct, and getting questions correct the first time. In each case I found that, while consciously I was working to achieve those things, unconsciously, I was conflicted about doing so. For example, I had had a difficult time in my fourth grade math class. Somehow the experience rubbed me the wrong way. So, what I found in my unconscious was that, decades later, I was still angry at my fourth grade math teacher and sort of angry at math in general, and all that antipathy was hampering my quant performance. So, having found that issue, I addressed it, and my quant performance improved.

For someone who wants to apply these ideas in a simple way, You can ask yourself things like "Why would I not want to hit my score goal?" "What do I have against Critical Reasoning?" "What would I have against getting questions correct every time?"

Once, when I was working with a student in a session, he was making the silliest errors. We would literally laugh about how crazy his errors were. So, I decided to explore what he might have going on unconsciously. It turned out that, basically, he was unconsciously making the errors on purpose to entertain us.

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So, these types of approaches can be successfully used at a sophisticated, expert level and also at a basic level.

Hello Marty,

I just wanna say, I’m so so so glad you wrote this. This is exactly the issue I’m facing. The unconscious conflict of what i want and what i really think i deserve. This is by far the most important bit of advice i think. That part where you mention about being uncomfortable about getting answers right or dwelling into grammar rules speaks so truly to me, that I’m here smiling and thinking ‘at last I’m not the only one who feels this way”. I’m so happy and thankful that you wrote this and i have got my hands on this in such a crucial time. It is like a liberation knowing that I’m not alone who feel this way and there is someone like you who has overcome and come out on the other way, with flying colours, biking away in a blizzard! I’m so inspired. I’m gonna work on my inner conflicts. thank you so much. :please: :)

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