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I could not find one answer I truly like. After spending almost 3 minutes, I chose (D) but its punctuation use is questionable.

For irregular verb "ring", its past tense is "rang", and its past participle is "rung".

(A)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell for the 2012 London Olympics.

In the main clause, its subject is "The 16.5-ton bell", and its verb is "was the largest bell". Between the em-dash pair, a past participle phrase (rung...) should be used. Eliminate (A).

(B)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell
for the 2012 London Olympics.

See above. Eliminated.



(C)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option correctly uses past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day" between two em-dashes. We cannot choose (C), though, because past perfect tense is used in subordinate clause "until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics". The use of past perfect tense indicates that the Olympic Bell came into existence before "Great Paul". Eliminate (C).

(D)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day, was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option fixes the verb tense issue in (C), but uses a comma instead of em-dash to set off past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day". We should use em-dash in pairs.

(E)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang at one o’clock each day by tradition, and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

Note the use of "rang" in this option. We might argue that “rang at one o’clock each day“ is the verb for subject "The 16.5-ton bell". But the use of em-dash is uncalled for.

I could not find a satisfactory option, but went for (D) in the end.


Hi zhanbo,

Can you address this query of mine?

Isn't this statement rang traditionally at one o’clock each day a fact? So shouldn't this statement use simple past rang?

Thanks.
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The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell for the 2012 London Olympics.

A) rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell -> traditional (adverb) modifies rang (verb), it is incorrect to modify "at one o’clock each day".

B) traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell -> "casting the Olympic Bell" we don't have verb to complete the sentence. Incorrect.

C) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast -> "had been", is used for former action, if there are two actions in place. But, "Olympic Bell" casting was later action. Incorrect.

D) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day, was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast -> It is better. We are talking about two actions in past.

E) rang at one o’clock each day by tradition, and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast -> "The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul” and..." is incorrect.

So, I think D. :)
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I could not find one answer I truly like. After spending almost 3 minutes, I chose (D) but its punctuation use is questionable.

For irregular verb "ring", its past tense is "rang", and its past participle is "rung".

(A)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell for the 2012 London Olympics.

In the main clause, its subject is "The 16.5-ton bell", and its verb is "was the largest bell". Between the em-dash pair, a past participle phrase (rung...) should be used. Eliminate (A).

(B)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell
for the 2012 London Olympics.

See above. Eliminated.



(C)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option correctly uses past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day" between two em-dashes. We cannot choose (C), though, because past perfect tense is used in subordinate clause "until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics". The use of past perfect tense indicates that the Olympic Bell came into existence before "Great Paul". Eliminate (C).

(D)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day, was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option fixes the verb tense issue in (C), but uses a comma instead of em-dash to set off past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day". We should use em-dash in pairs.

(E)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang at one o’clock each day by tradition, and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

Note the use of "rang" in this option. We might argue that “rang at one o’clock each day“ is the verb for subject "The 16.5-ton bell". But the use of em-dash is uncalled for.

I could not find a satisfactory option, but went for (D) in the end.


Hi zhanbo,

Can you address this query of mine?

Isn't this statement rang traditionally at one o’clock each day a fact? So shouldn't this statement use simple past rang?

Thanks.


"Rang" can indeed be used when it is used to construct simple past tense in a clause.

Most of the options in this question, however, uses "ring" in a modifier. In that case, we cannot use past tense of "ring". Instead, we can use past or present participles, as appropriate.
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I could not find one answer I truly like. After spending almost 3 minutes, I chose (D) but its punctuation use is questionable.


zhanbo , you are correct. The punctuation was wrong in options D and E. Edited. Thank you.

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A) rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell — adverb “traditionally” is supposed to modify the verb “rang” and not “one’o clock”. Eliminate.

B) traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell — “casting” changes the meaning. We need the verb form “was cast” and not the gerund “casting”.

C) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast — “had” in this case is not required since we already have a time marker “until”. Also logically it is absurd. The Olympic bell was cast later. Can’t use past perfect.

D) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast — no obvious errors.

E) rang at one o’clock each day by tradition—and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast — “by tradition” seems to be modifying “each” when it should modify the verb. From a verb modifier to an object modifier. This shift isn’t intended. Eliminate.

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zhanbo wrote:
I could not find one answer I truly like. After spending almost 3 minutes, I chose (D) but its punctuation use is questionable.

For irregular verb "ring", its past tense is "rang", and its past participle is "rung".

(A)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell for the 2012 London Olympics.

In the main clause, its subject is "The 16.5-ton bell", and its verb is "was the largest bell". Between the em-dash pair, a past participle phrase (rung...) should be used. Eliminate (A).

(B)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell
for the 2012 London Olympics.

See above. Eliminated.

(C)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option correctly uses past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day" between two em-dashes. We cannot choose (C), though, because past perfect tense is used in subordinate clause "until the Olympic Bell had been cast for the 2012 London Olympics". The use of past perfect tense indicates that the Olympic Bell came into existence before "Great Paul". Eliminate (C).

(D)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—traditionally rung at one o’clock each day, was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

This option fixes the verb tense issue in (C), but uses a comma instead of em-dash to set off past participle phrase "traditionally rung at one o’clock each day". We should use em-dash in pairs.

(E)
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul”—rang at one o’clock each day by tradition, and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast for the 2012 London Olympics.

Note the use of "rang" in this option. We might argue that “rang at one o’clock each day“ is the verb for subject "The 16.5-ton bell". But the use of em-dash is uncalled for.

I could not find a satisfactory option, but went for (D) in the end.



zhanbo If Option D were tweaked to

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D) traditionally rung rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast
Would it still be correct ??


We are using the past tense of ring i.e rang to describe the event. I don't think there is any error. Please help.
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zhanbo If Option D were tweaked to

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D) traditionally rung rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast
Would it still be correct ??


We are using the past tense of ring i.e rang to describe the event. I don't think there is any error. Please help.

warrior1991 , please see my OE.
It should help.
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The official explanation is here.
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Right. Please check out the clear explanations in the OE.

The following rewrite is grammatically correct:
The 16.5-ton bell known as “Great Paul” rang traditionally at one o’clock each day, and it was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell for the 2012 London Olympics.
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A) rang traditionally at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the casting of the Olympic Bell

usage of "casting" is incorrect Incorrect

B) traditionally rang at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until casting the Olympic Bell

Same as A, Incorrect

C) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell had been cast

The phrase "Olympic bell had been cast" uses improper tense (had been) - Incorrect

D) traditionally rung at one o’clock each day—was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast - Correct

E) rang at one o’clock each day by tradition—and was the largest bell in the British Isles until the Olympic Bell was cast

Not so sure about "each day by tradition but I guess we can ignore it for now, the usage of "and" is incorrect. Incorrect
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1. What is this big fuss about rang vs rung? I am unable to get it.

2. Also I feel a little discomfort in using "was cast" and somewhat feel more inclined to the usage "was casted" as cast is a verb.
Its the reason why I eliminated choice D


Can anyone help me out here?
Thank you.
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