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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
B. winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes

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For B, hoping is behind the “COMMA AND” which should be followed by an independent clause and “hoping to continue composing…” is not a clause, so I eliminate B. Am I right?
OR It is ok that COMMA AND is not followed by an independent clause. The OG says that hoping is parallel with winning. It seems that the COMMA AND is a conjunction.
THANKS in advance.


Comma + and can be used for ANY list having three or more itmes.

I crossed the street, running, panting, and dodging the traffic..... Correct.

This is called a serial comma and is optional, though in GMAT we see frequent use of it.


Here is another question.
Over the next few years, increasing demands on the Chattahoochee River, which flows into the Apalachicola River, could alter the saline content of Apalachicola Bay, which would rob the oysters there of their flavor, and to make them decrease in size, less distinctive, and less in demand.
(A) which would rob the oysters there of their flavor, and to make them decrease in size,
(B) and it would rob the oysters there of their flavor, make them smaller,
(C) and rob the oysters there of their flavor, making them decrease in size,
(D) robbing the oysters there of their flavor and making them smaller,
(E) robbing the oysters there of their flavor, and making them decrease in size,

For C, OG says"The comma before the conjunction and signals that an independent clause will follow and, but a verb phrase follows instead."
I thought it was a strict rule for Comma + and ( now, it seems not?)


It might be effective to distinguish two different applications of comma + and:

1. In a list: the usage is optional, but GMAT questions almost always have a comma.

Comma + and can be used for ANY list having three or more itmes.

I crossed the street, running, panting, and dodging the traffic..... Correct.
I crossed the street, running, panting and dodging the traffic...... Correct

2. to separate two independent clauses: the usage is mandatory.

I went home, and then I slept.... correct (two independent clauses are I went home and then I slept - comma is required)
I went home, then I slept... wrong
I went home and slept.... correct ( two verbs are added, not two clauses - comma is not to be used)
I went home, and slept..... wrong
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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
at so young an age is improper for the intended meaning. Such needs to be used.
now indicates present tense so hoping is incorrect.
both x as well as y is wrong idiom.


B winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
in London is not parallel to Tokyo in both x and y
hoping error repeats here from above.


C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
having won is improper here as it deviates the original intended meaning that since he won those awards, he performed.
hoping error repeats here with tense and modifying errors.


D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
Correct choice

E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes
having won error and parallelism error in both x and y repeat as in C
so young repeats as in A

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we can straightly arrive at D by using parallelism between X and Y in both X and Y idiom rule.

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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
B. winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes


Ans D?

Did a 2/3 split on "so young an age" and "such a young age". So A,C and E are out
Between B and D, I chose D because of the 'he' .
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its D.....
Both should come after "In"
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Two things stand out .
1. Idiom usage is x as well as y .Option [A] and Option [E] are ruled out.
2. The artist has already performed .He hopes to win .Option [B] and Option [C] are ruled out.

D is the right answer.
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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
B. winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes



Is this usage correct - both in X and Y.

I thought it should be both in X and in Y. But, official guide's explanation does not point out this error in B. Any comments?
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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
B. winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes



Is this usage correct - both in X and Y.

I thought it should be both in X and in Y. But, official guide's explanation does not point out this error in B. Any comments?


Even though Official guide does not mention the idiom error, the correct IDIOM structure is both X and Y.

both in X and Y
is incorrect as in X and Y are not parallel in structure.
both in X and in Y may be correct but does not exist here and verbose compared to normal both X and Y form.
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For B, hoping is behind the “COMMA AND” which should be followed by an independent clause and “hoping to continue composing…” is not a clause, so I eliminate B. Am I right?
OR It is ok that COMMA AND is not followed by an independent clause. The OG says that hoping is parallel with winning. It seems that the COMMA AND is a conjunction.
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For B, hoping is behind the “COMMA AND” which should be followed by an independent clause and “hoping to continue composing…” is not a clause, so I eliminate B. Am I right?
OR It is ok that COMMA AND is not followed by an independent clause. The OG says that hoping is parallel with winning. It seems that the COMMA AND is a conjunction.
THANKS in advance.


Comma + and can be used for ANY list having three or more itmes.

I crossed the street, running, panting, and dodging the traffic..... Correct.

This is called a serial comma and is optional, though in GMAT we see frequent use of it.
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For B, hoping is behind the “COMMA AND” which should be followed by an independent clause and “hoping to continue composing…” is not a clause, so I eliminate B. Am I right?
OR It is ok that COMMA AND is not followed by an independent clause. The OG says that hoping is parallel with winning. It seems that the COMMA AND is a conjunction.
THANKS in advance.


Comma + and can be used for ANY list having three or more itmes.

I crossed the street, running, panting, and dodging the traffic..... Correct.

This is called a serial comma and is optional, though in GMAT we see frequent use of it.


Thank you for your answer!!!! :-D
Could you please explain more about Comma+and? In which situation Comma+and signals a parallel? When Comma+and signals a independent clause?
You see for this question, I eliminate B mistakenly ( by an incorrect reason)
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WZP wrote:
For B, hoping is behind the “COMMA AND” which should be followed by an independent clause and “hoping to continue composing…” is not a clause, so I eliminate B. Am I right?
OR It is ok that COMMA AND is not followed by an independent clause. The OG says that hoping is parallel with winning. It seems that the COMMA AND is a conjunction.
THANKS in advance.


Comma + and can be used for ANY list having three or more itmes.

I crossed the street, running, panting, and dodging the traffic..... Correct.

This is called a serial comma and is optional, though in GMAT we see frequent use of it.


Here is another question.
Over the next few years, increasing demands on the Chattahoochee River, which flows into the Apalachicola River, could alter the saline content of Apalachicola Bay, which would rob the oysters there of their flavor, and to make them decrease in size, less distinctive, and less in demand.
(A) which would rob the oysters there of their flavor, and to make them decrease in size,
(B) and it would rob the oysters there of their flavor, make them smaller,
(C) and rob the oysters there of their flavor, making them decrease in size,
(D) robbing the oysters there of their flavor and making them smaller,
(E) robbing the oysters there of their flavor, and making them decrease in size,

For C, OG says"The comma before the conjunction and signals that an independent clause will follow and, but a verb phrase follows instead."
I thought it was a strict rule for Comma + and ( now, it seems not?)
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The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.

A. winning prestigious awards in both London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he is hoping
B. winning prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and hoping
C. having won prestigious awards both in London and Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, hoping
D. winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes
E. having won prestigious awards both in London as well as Tokyo for his achievement at so young an age, and he hopes


Both X and Y is correct Idiom. A and E are out.

'And' preceded by ',' requires 'independent sentence'. B and C are out.

D is the answer
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if there is a comma and a coordinating conjunction after the comma, what exactly does that imply? do they both need to be independent or can they have the S-V split over the two clauses.

If a ‘comma + coordinating conjunction’ combination is used to split two independent clauses then there must be a separate subject-verb pair for each of the clauses. Two independent clauses cannot have S-V split over the two clauses.

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• Long before it was fashionable to be an expatriate, Josephine Baker made Paris her home,
• and she remained in France during the Second World War as a performer and an intelligence agent for the Resistance.
In the above sentence, two independent clauses are connected using ‘comma + and’.


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hi experts, I read it in GMATCLUB forums as above,

while in this case, it is correct, am I missing something ?

The 19-year-old pianist and composer performed his most recent work all over Europe, Asia, and North America last year, winning prestigious awards in both London and Tokyo for his achievement at such a young age, and he hopes to continue composing now that he has returned to Chicago.
would you please clarify further,

he stands for The 19-year-old pianist and composer ,
please clarify it.

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zoezhuyan, I don't see any contradiction between the material you quoted above and the usage in D. In both cases, two independent clauses are separated by ", and." This is correct usage. The fact that "he" refers back to the original subject does not prevent that second clause from being independent. It could stand alone as a sentence. (So could the sentence I just wrote, even though it starts with a pronoun that refers back to the previous sentence!)
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zoezhuyan, I don't see any contradiction between the material you quoted above and the usage in D. In both cases, two independent clauses are separated by ", and." This is correct usage. The fact that "he" refers back to the original subject does not prevent that second clause from being independent. It could stand alone as a sentence. (So could the sentence I just wrote, even though it starts with a pronoun that refers back to the previous sentence!)


Hi Dmitry,

i think i know where my fault :oops:

would you please help to confirm for another question,
when two independent clause connect by "comma + and", should keep these two subjects the same people or thing ?

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No, the subjects don't have to be the same. Both of the sentences below are fine:

Carlsen has published a new novel, and it is a good one. (Here, "it" refers to the novel, which is the object--not the subject--of the previous clause.)
The storm felled several electrical lines, and many residents have been without power for over 48 hours.
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No, the subjects don't have to be the same. Both of the sentences below are fine:

Carlsen has published a new novel, and it is a good one. (Here, "it" refers to the novel, which is the object--not the subject--of the previous clause.)
The storm felled several electrical lines, and many residents have been without power for over 48 hours.



Hello DmitryFarber

If we re-write the first example as:
Carlsen published a new novel, and it is a good one.

Will that change the meaning?


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Both X and Y
In both X and Y
Both in X and in Y .
Only D follows correct idiom

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