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I didn't like the which clause, or the including clause, because it's not clear what they're modifying or describing. The instructions? The authenticity? I like the "by doing x, y , and z" because then naturally it sounds like these 3 things will help the merchant confirm authenticity. It just sounds better in my head, where if I try to plug the other examples in, I'm automatically going back to reread the sentence because I get lost what the 3 things belong to.


I guess when we read a SC sentence, we have to have a clear mind about the logical relationship within it.

the X,Y,and Z are examples of "a seris of....", therefore ,by is not necessary.

Well, I understand why you have that feeling of lost, maybe that's a misusage common in oral English.

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E for me. It is parallel and "including" correctly refers to the preceding clause.

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Hi, Tom, (well maybe you won't see this post anymore.I just try)

could you clarify the usage of Ving here?

I read some rules about the usage of this on Manhattan forum, which is following:

the "comma + ing" modifier should only be used when:

(A)
it MODIFIES THE ENTIRE ACTION of the preceding clause, and it APPLIES TO THE SUBJECT of that clause;
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one of the following is true:
(1) the "ing" action is SIMULTANEOUS with the main action;
- i ran down the sidewalk, flapping my arms wildly
(2) the "ing" action is a DIRECT CONSEQUENCE of the main action;
- i got a 100 on the most recent exam, bringing my average up to 91

But the Ving here in Choice E doesn't fit in the above rules, right?

Also, presuming the choise A is using "include", will it be the best answer? Thank you very much!


Hey Kaja,

It's not modifying the previous clause, per se, but it's modifying such an ENORMOUS noun (already modified), that the -ing helps us clarify it.:

The principal feature of the redesigned checks is (a series [of printed instructions {that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity}])...

The part in parentheses is all one noun with modifiers set off by different parentheses. We want to modify that ENTIRE thing. Using just a relative pronoun wouldn't work, because it's so FAR from the word it's really modifying ("series"). And technically, the next modifier IS happening simultaneously (it's describing those very rules). I agree it's a bit of a stretch based on the rules we give, but it's far closer to the rules for -ing words than the rules for relative pronouns.

Hope that helps!

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I am just rearranging the clause to make aware about usage of clause.

The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a X, that the compnay hopes will help merchant confirm a check's authenticity.

We are looking for the correctness of clause X.

C=> "a series of printed instructions by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing the watermark while
holding the check to the light."

E=> a series of printed instructions including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view. Correct.

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To me it still appears (C)

Reason -How check's authenticity would happen? -

by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing the watermark while
holding the check to the light." - A prepositional phrase acting as Adverb over here

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The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the
company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity, which includes
reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
the watermark while
holding the check to the light.
A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and
view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures
and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and
viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

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What is the problem with C ?


Hii Vishu.
Answer choice C has several errors. I am listing tem here:
1) Nowhere it seems that we are supposed to check the authenticity by watching the endorsement, by comparing signatures etc. If you have a doubt, please check the original sentence. On choosing C, you will be diverting from the original meaning.
2) Precedes the prepositional phrase by a comma.
3) There is a huge difference between "for verbing" and "to verb". The former implies that the action is taking place at present whereas the latter implies the "intent or more specifically Purpose".

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On Similar line here is one more Question -

For centuries, people on sea voyages washed their clothes by placing the dirty laundry in a strong cloth bag, then toss it overboard, and let the ship drag the bag for hours.

A.then toss it overboard, and let

B.then toss them overboard, and they let

C.tossingitoverboard, and letting

D.tossing them overboard, and let

E.tossing it overboard, and let

OA -
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C
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On Similar line here is one more Question -

For centuries, people on sea voyages washed their clothes by placing the dirty laundry in a strong cloth bag, then toss it overboard, and let the ship drag the bag for hours.

A.then toss it overboard, and let

B.then toss them overboard, and they let

C.tossing it overboard, and letting

D.tossing them overboard, and let

E.tossing it overboard, and let


A and B are straightaway gone because "toss" is not parallel with any verb. Also, B has SVA issue. Similarly D and E are not parallel because of "let". D also has SVA issue.
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A lot going on for (C).

Here are my 2 cents.

company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity ,by including.

Changes the meaning.

Merchants confirm blah blah blah.... By including.. blah blah blah.

Instructions include blah blah and not the merchants.

Utterly wrong it is
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Hi Experts / chetan2u,

I was confused between A and E.

Can you tell whats the differences between check’s authenticity, which includes and check’s authenticity, including... :?:

I eliminated A because if we look on check’s authenticity, which includes and ask question WHAT IS INCLUDING
I hope we are talking about a series of printed instructions--> So, its PLURAL S-V disagreement.

Additionally, if the option would be--

A. which INCLUDES reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view (Is that would be correct)

Please assist..
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Hi Experts / chetan2u,

I was confused between A and E.

Can you tell whats the differences between check’s authenticity, which includes and check’s authenticity, including... :?:

I eliminated A because if we look on check’s authenticity, which includes and ask question WHAT IS INCLUDING
I hope we are talking about a series of printed instructions--> So, its PLURAL S-V disagreement.

Additionally, if the option would be--

A. which INCLUDES reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view (Is that would be correct)

Please assist..
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you are correct about..
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I eliminated A because if we look on check’s authenticity, which includes and ask question WHAT IS INCLUDING
I hope we are talking about a series of printed instructions--> So, its PLURAL S-V disagreement.


yes 'include' is talking/modifying a series of printed instructions, but can this be done by 'which'.. NO
which can modify the nearest or a slight away noun ..
verb+ing is the correct usage if you ar etalking of the entire clause in general..
and hence 'including'..
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WHY A IS WRONG?
because which can not modify a far noun while preposition including cando so?

this is the main point of this problem?
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to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
E..it is..


angel2009 wrote:
The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.

A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and
view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures
and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and
viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

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angel2009 wrote:
The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.

A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and
view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures
and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and
viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

[Reveal] Spoiler:
What is the problem with C ?


Responding to a pm: Between (A) and (E), I would still go with (E) because the relative pronoun "which" seems to be modifying "authenticity". It is very far from "series" - the noun it is actually modifying.
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The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check's authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.

A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

Hi experts, can you please explain what is "including" in choices D & E modifying? If it is modifying the "series of printed instructions" then how can it jump over the "that" clause preceding it?

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The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check's authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.

A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

Hi experts, can you please explain what is "including" in choices D & E modifying? If it is modifying the "series of printed instructions" then how can it jump over the "that" clause preceding it?

Thank you for your help!!

Dear Conquergmat5,

I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, you appear relatively new to GMAT Club. Please do NOT start a brand new thread for any question that has already been posted. I guarantee you that every official question is already somewhere here on GMAT Club. Please always search extensively: if your question is not already answered in the discussion on that thread, add it to the thread, and all the experts who have already responded on the thread will see it. I have merged your post into in a much larger thread about this very same question.

The participle "including" in (D) & (E) modifies the noun "printed instructions." This noun is followed by a vital noun modifier, the long "that" clause that goes up to the comma, and the participle "including" immediately follows the "that" clause. As you may appreciate, a vital noun modifier can come between a target noun and another modifier, creating for that second modifier a violation of the Modifier Touch Rule. See:
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Conquergmat5 wrote:
The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check's authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.

A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view

Hi experts, can you please explain what is "including" in choices D & E modifying? If it is modifying the "series of printed instructions" then how can it jump over the "that" clause preceding it?

Thank you for your help!!

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I'm happy to respond. :-)

My friend, you appear relatively new to GMAT Club. Please do NOT start a brand new thread for any question that has already been posted. I guarantee you that every official question is already somewhere here on GMAT Club. Please always search extensively: if your question is not already answered in the discussion on that thread, add it to the thread, and all the experts who have already responded on the thread will see it. I have merged your post into in a much larger thread about this very same question.

The participle "including" in (D) & (E) modifies the noun "printed instructions." This noun is followed by a vital noun modifier, the long "that" clause that goes up to the comma, and the participle "including" immediately follows the "that" clause. As you may appreciate, a vital noun modifier can come between a target noun and another modifier, creating for that second modifier a violation of the Modifier Touch Rule. See:
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Does all this make sense?
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Thank you Mike!! This is clear to me now.

Also, apologize for starting a new post, I will remember to search for existing questions before posting next time.

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sanjay_gmat wrote:
aviator83 wrote:
The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the
company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity, which includes
reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
the watermark while
holding the check to the light.
A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and
view
-"which" incorrectly refers to "printed instructions"
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures
and view
-"which" incorrectly refers to "printed instructions"
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and
viewing
-"by including" is not required here.
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
- to watch the endorsement,[to] comparing signatures and [to] viewing - incorrect right ?
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
-correct


Are you sure that the "which" in A and B refer to "printed instructions"?
I think it refers to authencity. Isn't this true?


You are correct. :wink:
"which" incorrectly refers to "authenticity". what i meant was that it should refer to "printed instructions" instead.


It should refer to " a series of printed instructions". It's worth noting that "series" is a collective noun.

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need an -ing modifier after comma and parallelism should also need to be maintained and that happens to be the case in option E only

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The principal feature of the redesigned checks is a series of printed instructions that the company hopes will help merchants confirm a check’s authenticity, which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view the watermark while holding the check to the light.
A. which includes reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view --> which refers to authenticity; if you don't know whether this is correct you have to zoom out, cool down and understand what the sentence tries to transfer
B. which include reminders for watching the endorsement, to compare signatures and view
C. by including reminders for watching the endorsement, comparing signatures, and viewing
D. including reminders to watch the endorsement, comparing signatures and viewing
E. including reminders to watch the endorsement, compare signatures, and view
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