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curious about the source.
GMATCoachBen, is this amongst the official questions you saw in the GMAT question bank?
Is it correctly tagged as 600-700? It took me more than 14 mins to get all correct..
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curious about the source.
GMATCoachBen, is this amongst the official questions you saw in the GMAT question bank?
Is it correctly tagged as 600-700? It took me more than 14 mins to get all correct..

arora1 Yes, this is in Official Practice Questions 2.

I'd consider this a hard passage, nice work getting them all correct! I generally look at the GMAT Club timer data to determine the difficulty. The average % correct for these questions is 59%, and 3 are particularly hard (38%, 41%, 46%).

To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
Hard 61%

For timing, it can be helpful to review and reflect on what slowed you down and caused hesitation. If there are wrong answer choices you were deliberating about, identify exactly WHY they are wrong (and specifically note any common wrong answer patterns, such as "Opposite" or "Extreme" or "Half-right"), with the goal of deciding more efficiently in the future. You can also try waiting a few weeks and re-doing these and see how your speed improves.
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curious about the source.
GMATCoachBen, is this amongst the official questions you saw in the GMAT question bank?
Is it correctly tagged as 600-700? It took me more than 14 mins to get all correct..

arora1 Yes, this is in Official Practice Questions 2.

I'd consider this a hard passage, nice work getting them all correct! I generally look at the GMAT Club timer data to determine the difficulty. The average % correct for these questions is 59%, and 3 are particularly hard (38%, 41%, 46%).

To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
Hard 61%

For timing, it can be helpful to review and reflect on what slowed you down and caused hesitation. If there are wrong answer choices you were deliberating about, identify exactly WHY they are wrong (and specifically note any common wrong answer patterns, such as "Opposite" or "Extreme" or "Half-right"), with the goal of deciding more efficiently in the future. You can also try waiting a few weeks and re-doing these and see how your speed improves.


Damn, your data mining skills are top notch!
Thanks for the advice, ill definately follow it. But for 7 questions and a dense RC, is 14 mins really bad?

As a side note, it would be great if you can add, on gmatclub, the other RC/SC/CR questions that you saw in Question Pack... its very helpful for people like me

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Damn, your data mining skills are top notch!
Thanks for the advice, ill definately follow it. But for 7 questions and a dense RC, is 14 mins really bad?

As a side note, it would be great if you can add, on gmatclub, the other RC/SC/CR questions that you saw in Question Pack... its very helpful for people like me
arora1, the average time for correct answers for these 7 questions is 10.7 minutes, so 14 is a bit high, but you succeeded in being much more accurate. It's much better to take a little more time and be accurate, and your speed will continue to improve with practice and confidence. I recently noticed a great post by GMATNinja about the downsides of rushing on verbal: https://gmatclub.com/forum/og-print-vs- ... l#p1183852

The broader question is how much time pressure you feel on full practice tests, and how much it affects your accuracy. If you average 1:30 on SC and 2:00 on RC and CR, you will finish exactly on time; however, I recommend building so much mastery and confidence to rapidly eliminate answer choices on SC that you have extra time to ensure precise reading on RC and CR.
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What is the overall structure of the passage? Each answer choice describes a sequence of passage elements in abstract terms (interpretation of a phenomenon, theories, new hypothesis, etc.) so recognizing the correct answer requires correctly identifying the categories in which the elements of the passage fall. The passage first introduces Turner’s Frontier Thesis (an important theory) and then discusses some ways in which it influenced other writers (its effects). The final paragraph discusses subsequent theories that differ from the original version of the Frontier Thesis without rejecting its basic framework (ways in which it has been revised).

A The passage suggests that at the time when it was written, some version of the Stasist interpretation of frontier life was current. However, the mention of that interpretation occurs at the end of the passage, and there is no subsequent discussion of ways in which it was developed.
B The passage discusses three theoretical viewpoints—that of Turner and his followers, and those of the reactionists, and Stasists. However, it does not describe a new hypothesis that discounts those viewpoints.
C Correct. The first two paragraphs discuss Turner’s Frontier Thesis and the effects that it had on other writers. The final paragraph describes some later theories that differed from Turner’s viewpoint. Although the passage does not explicitly say that these were revisions of the thesis rather than outright rejections of that approach to frontier history, the first paragraph mentions the benefits of revising the Frontier Thesis by focusing on women's experience. This context suggests that Stasism and reactionism are being presented as revisions of Turner's thesis.
D The passage does discuss a controversial theory—Turner’s Frontier Thesis—and discusses the viewpoints of novelists and historians who favored it but does not characterize those viewpoints as supporting the theory or arguing for it. The final paragraph also mentions that Turner’s theory fell into disfavor, but it does not clearly describe the viewpoints of those who disfavored it. As explained above, the Stasist and reactionist positions are presented as revisions of Turner's thesis rather than rejections of it.
E The passage does not directly discuss theories regarding the correctness of any phenomenon. It begins with a mention of a phenomenon, the settlement of the United States, but it does not discuss any theory regarding the correctness of the settlement. One might plausibly describe Turner’s theory, with which much of the passage is concerned, as a phenomenon. While the passage discusses some reactions to that theory and some alternative theories, it does not directly discuss theories about its correctness.

The correct answer is C.
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C doesn't make sense to me.
An important theory (paragraph 1 correct)
and its effects (paragraph 2 says "This interpretation". Novelists and historians fell under Turner's spell but they had their own interpretation, which can be viewed as viewpoint of the theory.)
are discussed and then ways in which it has been revised are described. (paragraph 3 says "Reactionist took the view" and "Stasis position". Are they viewpoints or revisions? Revision is something that the author himself must do to his own theory.)
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curious about the source.
GMATCoachBen, is this amongst the official questions you saw in the GMAT question bank?
Is it correctly tagged as 600-700? It took me more than 14 mins to get all correct..

arora1 Yes, this is in Official Practice Questions 2.

I'd consider this a hard passage, nice work getting them all correct! I generally look at the GMAT Club timer data to determine the difficulty. The average % correct for these questions is 59%, and 3 are particularly hard (38%, 41%, 46%).

To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
Hard 61%

For timing, it can be helpful to review and reflect on what slowed you down and caused hesitation. If there are wrong answer choices you were deliberating about, identify exactly WHY they are wrong (and specifically note any common wrong answer patterns, such as "Opposite" or "Extreme" or "Half-right"), with the goal of deciding more efficiently in the future. You can also try waiting a few weeks and re-doing these and see how your speed improves.

Hi GMATCoachBen

Can I ask what do these percentages in your reply quoted above mean?
To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
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Hi in question 6 regarding the structure of the passage, I understand how the first part of C is correct, but how can we infer that the theories after Frontier Theory are revising it and not rejecting it? Because of the second part of option C,I rejected it and picked D which still looks right to me.
Can an expert please weigh in on this?
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curious about the source.
GMATCoachBen, is this amongst the official questions you saw in the GMAT question bank?
Is it correctly tagged as 600-700? It took me more than 14 mins to get all correct..

arora1 Yes, this is in Official Practice Questions 2.

I'd consider this a hard passage, nice work getting them all correct! I generally look at the GMAT Club timer data to determine the difficulty. The average % correct for these questions is 59%, and 3 are particularly hard (38%, 41%, 46%).

To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
Hard 61%

For timing, it can be helpful to review and reflect on what slowed you down and caused hesitation. If there are wrong answer choices you were deliberating about, identify exactly WHY they are wrong (and specifically note any common wrong answer patterns, such as "Opposite" or "Extreme" or "Half-right"), with the goal of deciding more efficiently in the future. You can also try waiting a few weeks and re-doing these and see how your speed improves.

Hi GMATCoachBen

Can I ask what do these percentages in your reply quoted above mean?
To put this in context, here's the accuracy data for OG 2020:

Overall % correct: 67%
Easy: 76%
Medium: 68%
Hard 61%

sv2023 I put the accuracy data (% correct) from GMAT Club for each question into a spreadsheet, and then calculated the averages shown above.

The "easy", "medium" and "hard" refer to the difficulty ratings assigned in the OG at efficentlearning.com, but the actually difficulty of each question can vary significantly.

Note that sometimes the % correct shown on GMAT Club can change over time.

Another calculation I did was for the average % correct for RC questions from 3 different CAT exams from official practice tests 1 and 2, all scoring V40+, and the average % correct was 67%. This is interesting, because it suggests that even when you are scoring high, you will still get questions that average around medium difficulty. Of course, the ESRs on high-scoring actual exams show an average difficulty that is above medium, but you still get quite a range of difficulty, and not very many "very hard" questions. I've noticed that on some 3rd party exams, such as MGMAT, you will get a lot more very hard questions when scoring high; this can be good practice for being decisive under time pressure but can feel different from the actual exam.
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Hi in question 6 regarding the structure of the passage, I understand how the first part of C is correct, but how can we infer that the theories after Frontier Theory are revising it and not rejecting it? Because of the second part of option C,I rejected it and picked D which still looks right to me.
Can an expert please weigh in on this?
Let's start by nailing down the purpose of each paragraph:

  • Paragraph 1: To point out a drawback of Turner's thesis: it makes "exclusively masculine assumptions." Also, to argue that "revising" Turner's thesis by "focusing on women's experience" introduces "new themes into women's history."
  • Paragraph 2: To argue that Turner's theory strongly influenced the ideas about frontier women held by "novelists and historians writing in the early-to-mid-twentieth century."
  • Paragraph 3: To describe the different views on frontier women put forth by historians in the later twentieth century, when Turner's thesis had fallen "into disfavor."

Let's now consider the question:

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6.Which of the following best describes the organization of the passage?

(D) A controversial theory is discussed and then viewpoints both for and against it are described.
After picking apart (D), let's see how we like each piece:

  • "A controversial theory is discussed..." Referring to Turner's theory as "controversial" seems fair, and it is definitely discussed. This part is fine.
  • "...viewpoints for and against it are described." Turner's theory is about westward expansion in general. Are viewpoints for this general theory described? Not really. Rather, the second paragraph argues that Turner's theory influenced novelists' and historians' ideas about frontier women. That's different than describing a viewpoint for the theory. The last paragraph tell us that when Turner's theory went out of favor, people came up with new ideas about frontier women. Again, that's not a viewpoint against the theory in general so much as a new take on one aspect of the theory (i.e. its view of frontier women).

So the second part of (D) isn't great. Let's take a look at (C):

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(C) An important theory and its effects are discussed and then ways in which it has been revised are described.
  • "An important theory and its effects are discussed..." Yup. Notice the second paragraph is specifically about the effects of the theory (it influenced novelists and historians). So extra points for (C) there.
  • "...and then ways in which it has been revised are described." Recall that the first paragraph argues that "revising" Turner's by "focusing on women's experience" can introduce "new themes into women's history." And that's exactly what paragraph 3 does. Historians focus on frontier women's experience, and present interpretations at odds with Turner's ideas, thus altering women's history (i.e. in this sense, they "revise" Turner's theory).

So by comparing (C) and (D) piece by piece, and keeping the purpose of each paragraph in mind, we find that (C) is a better answer.

Keep (C), eliminate (D).

I hope that helps!
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