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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other months.

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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?
(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.
(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.
(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.
(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.
(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other months.




Conclusion: The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact.



This is good one.. Little tricky one.

Definitely Answer between C and E. Other choices are stengthening the argument.

Choice E:
Premise : Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides
in October and in November was comparatively low .In only three other months were the monthly figures lower.

From the above premise Author assume that "All seasons/months will have same sucide rate - If there is no other factors." .

Choice E is Attacking this hole, But ask questions to yourself?? Is this affecting final Conclusion. (May be or May not) we are not sure.. This is not addressing Oct 1929 is lengend or fact.


Choice C :
Suice Rate in Oct and Nov of 1929 considerable high. So this is fact. This clearly undermines the Conclusion.


So C is the best answer.
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gurpreet07 wrote:
The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?
(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.
(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.
(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.
(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.
(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other months.




Conclusion: The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact.



This is good one.. Little tricky one.

Definitely Answer between C and E. Other choices are stengthening the argument.

Choice E:
Premise : Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides
in October and in November was comparatively low .In only three other months were the monthly figures lower.

From the above premise Author assume that "All seasons/months will have same sucide rate - If there is no other factors." .

Choice E is Attacking this hole, But ask questions to yourself?? Is this affecting final Conclusion. (May be or May not) we are not sure.. This is not addressing Oct 1929 is lengend or fact.


Choice C :
Suice Rate in Oct and Nov of 1929 considerable high. So this is fact. This clearly undermines the Conclusion.


So C is the best answer.


can u please explain answer choice D...
I actually marked D
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can u please explain answer choice D...
I actually marked D


According to D:
Typical case
Jan -> Dec (Suicide rate increasing )
So Rate of Oct or Nov > 9 months (Jan-Sep)
Premise says in 1929: October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower.
That means.. Oct, Nov rates are even lower than usual... Thant means.. Sucide rates are decreased.. So, conclusion is Legend and not a fact.
This strengthens the argument.
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can u please explain answer choice D...
I actually marked D


IMO the argument talks of "“suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929” Choice D talks of “years surrounding the stock market crash” and not on what has happened in 1929. Hence has no bearing on the argument
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IMO c....
The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years...this means it was not a legend but a fact that suicide rate was higher
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I have already supplied the OA.......
but still its C
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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
months.


C indicates the hike in suicide rate in Oct Nov.


IMO, Answer C
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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
months.


Can you please provide explanation for C ?
I guess conclusion is The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact.
Whats the meaning of this conclusion ?
And i guess C strangthens the conclusion instead of challenging it.
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Kindly help us to understand logic behind Option C

Failed to understand why are we comparing results from previous years as stimulus talks about year 1929
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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
months.


C indicates the hike in suicide rate in Oct Nov.


IMO, Answer C



IMO, B has the same explanation...as option C has. If we go for negation...both statements have the same effect on the conclusion. Kindly clarify.
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Hi,

Can somebody pls put the explanation for C?

C says that the suicide rate was higher than average in preceeding and following years... hence only this year is exception when the figures fell ....

Conclusion of the arguement:The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. means its not true.

C actually supports the conclusion rather than challenging it.

OptimusPrepJesse can you please share your opinions?

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Can somebody pls put the explanation for C?

C says that the suicide rate was higher than average in preceeding and following years... hence only this year is exception when the figures fell ....

Conclusion of the arguement:The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. means its not true.

C actually supports the conclusion rather than challenging it.

OptimusPrepJesse can you please share your opinions?

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The argument says Suicide wave is legend, which means it is not true.

The premise on which the argument is concluded is based on research which compares the monthly figures which show the suicide rate is generally higher in October and November. But what option C adds a new dimension- Yearly figures.

What option C says is- even though the figures for Oct/Nov may be high when compared to other months, the figures for 1929 itself are more than the averages recorded for years that preceded and succeeded. So, the suicide wave did exist and is not a legend.

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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
months.


C indicates the hike in suicide rate in Oct Nov.


IMO, Answer C



IMO, B has the same explanation...as option C has. If we go for negation...both statements have the same effect on the conclusion. Kindly clarify.


B and C are not same, B is inverse of C. So if you are negating properly, you should not get the same result.
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Can somebody pls put the explanation for C?

C says that the suicide rate was higher than average in preceeding and following years... hence only this year is exception when the figures fell ....

Conclusion of the arguement:The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. means its not true.

C actually supports the conclusion rather than challenging it.

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The argument says Suicide wave is legend, which means it is not true.

The premise on which the argument is concluded is based on research which compares the monthly figures which show the suicide rate is generally higher in October and November. But what option C adds a new dimension- Yearly figures.

What option C says is- even though the figures for Oct/Nov may be high when compared to other months, the figures for 1929 itself are more than the averages recorded for years that preceded and succeeded. So, the suicide wave did exist and is not a legend.

Hope that helps.


Hi anil,

The option C is not talking about the YOY values of suicide for all 12 months but the average value of Oct and Nov alone YOY.

It does not tell anything to refute or go against the fact that in the year 1929 the suicides in other months were substantially higher...

"only three other months were the monthly figures lower"

"During the summer months,.. the number of suicides was substantially higher"


Both of the above mentioned suggest that the whole year had many months with more suicides. Then how does C help to counter..ie. suggest that the suicides in Oct 1929 are due to suicide wave?

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dominicraj wrote:
Hi,

Can somebody pls put the explanation for C?

C says that the suicide rate was higher than average in preceeding and following years... hence only this year is exception when the figures fell ....

Conclusion of the arguement:The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. means its not true.

C actually supports the conclusion rather than challenging it.

OptimusPrepJesse can you please share your opinions?

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The argument says Suicide wave is legend, which means it is not true.

The premise on which the argument is concluded is based on research which compares the monthly figures which show the suicide rate is generally higher in October and November. But what option C adds a new dimension- Yearly figures.

What option C says is- even though the figures for Oct/Nov may be high when compared to other months, the figures for 1929 itself are more than the averages recorded for years that preceded and succeeded. So, the suicide wave did exist and is not a legend.

Hope that helps.


Hi anil,

The option C is not talking about the YOY values of suicide for all 12 months but the average value of Oct and Nov alone YOY.

It does not tell anything to refute or go against the fact that in the year 1929 the suicides in other months were substantially higher...

"only three other months were the monthly figures lower"

"During the summer months,.. the number of suicides was substantially higher"


Both of the above mentioned suggest that the whole year had many months with more suicides. Then how does C help to counter..ie. suggest that the suicides in Oct 1929 are due to suicide wave?

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First let us understand the question-

October 1929 stock market crash caused a suicide wave- This is the statement the questions contends.

The argument is that- hey there have been suicides all through the year, in fact during the summer when the stock market was flourishing the suicide rate was even more. So the suicides existed even other wise and the stock market crash did not cause it.

How do we challenge this?

If we keenly look, the stock market crashed in October. So what happened before should not ideally matter. Also, if we prove that what happened during October, November of 1929 added to the existing trends of suicide, it would challenge the argument, no?
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Hi Anil,

I am not so sure.. Its not enough to say that a number of suicides happened and added to the existing trend.

Its jut my opinion. Can be wrong. :roll:
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The “suicide wave” that followed the United States stock market crash of October 1929 is more legend than fact. Careful examination of the monthly figures on the causes of death in 1929 shows that the number of suicides in October and in November was comparatively low. In only three other months were the monthly figures lower. During the summer months, when the stock market was flourishing, the number of suicides was substantially higher.

Which one of the following, if true, would best challenge the conclusion of the passage?

Pre-thinking the answer: The conclusion is that the suicide wave following the US stock crash of OCT 1929 is more legend than fact. The main premises are that OCT and NOV 1929 have low suicide rates relative to the rest of that year's month's, with the exception of three other months. If I am to challenge the conclusion, I need to demonstrate that the suicide wave is high relative to some other factor such as previous years' Octobers and Novembers. If I can show, for example, that the suicide rate for the months of October and November in the years 1920-1928 were far lower than those for October and November of 1929, I could sufficiently show that there actually was an increase in suicides in October and November of 1929, thereby challenging the conclusion that the suicide wave was practically a non-event.

(A) The suicide rate is influenced by many psychological, interpersonal, and societal factors during any given historical period.

Incorrect - While true, it is unhelpful in challenging the question as it lacks any sort of evidence to suggest that the particular months of October and November in 1929 actually had a relatively high suicide rate. Remember, we need to identify something very particular in order to challenge the conclusion. This answer choice is far too broad.

(B) October and November have almost always had relatively high suicide rates, even during the 1920s and 1930s.

Incorrect - This actually solidifies the stimulus's conclusion. This answer choice basically states that there was practically no change in the relative suicide rate for the months of October and November. We need to state the precise polar opposite (not to be confused with logical opposite).

(C) The suicide rate in October and November of 1929 was considerably higher than the average for those months during several preceding and following years.

Correct - Let's say that, for the years 1920-1928, there are an average of 100 suicides every July verses an average of 15 and 10 for the months of October and November, respectively. So if in October and November of 1929 there is an average suicide rate of 60 and 40, respectively, the average for the months of October and November are still relatively low in comparison to July's 100 suicides. If, however, all Octobers and Novembers for the years 1920-1928 had only 10 suicides each per year, but in 1929 had 60 and 40, respectively, then we suddenly see that the suicide wave was in fact something far beyond the typical. That is precisely what this answer choice does for us, and, thus, it is the correct answer choice. Choice C demonstrates that the suicide rate is in fact relatively high because the October and November average was far higher relative to those months during the several preceding and following years.

(D) During the years surrounding the stock market crash, suicide rates were typically lower at the beginning of any calendar year than toward the end of that year.

Incorrect - Again, this actually supports the conclusion of the stimulus rather than challenge it.

(E) Because of seasonal differences, the number of suicides in October and November of 1929 would not be expected to be the same as those for other
months.


Incorrect - This does not speak to the relative frequency that we are hoping to challenge. This answer choice is therefore irrelevant for our purposes.
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The answer has to be option C. Good explanation in the posts above :-)
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