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# Three years ago, Ron gave up eating anything with wheat in it. In that

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Three years ago, Ron gave up eating anything with wheat in it. In that time, he lowered his cholesterol by 100 points and lost nearly 85 pounds. He says he feels better than he has in years. As a result, he is writing a book which says that everyone should stop eating wheat products. He says people are not made to eat wheat and that giving it up is the key to losing weight and being healthier.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

A Wheat is found in nearly all processed foods.

B Ron has a family history of celiac disease, which is an extreme sensitivity to wheat gluten.

C Some studies have shown that a lower carbohydrate diet can help people lose weight and feel better.

D Ron runs three miles every morning.

E Ron used to be a vegetarian but has resumed eating meat.
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19 Mar 2018, 08:49
IMO B.

D is also close but it is incomplete and does not directly attack the fact that "giving up wheat is the 'key' to lose weight".

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19 Mar 2018, 09:56
Definitely B and D are contenders
But B says he is gluten sensitive hence omitted wheat but then why did he lose weight?

If we take D, it clearly clarifies that giving up wheat will not result in weight loss

May be I missing something to see B as the final choice

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Definitely B and D are contenders
But B says he is gluten sensitive hence omitted wheat but then why did he lose weight?

If we take D, it clearly clarifies that giving up wheat will not result in weight loss

May be I missing something to see B as the final choice

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What I feel is that since celiac disease leads to obesity, Ron would have given up wheat that promotes the disease and now has lost weight. But, he misinterprets the fact that since he has lost weight by giving up wheat, wheat is is the key factor that causes obesity. Thus, to weaken the argument, option B gives an alternative reason as to why giving up wheat has worked for him but that doesn't mean that wheat is the 'key' cause of obesity and that by giving it up everyone can lose weight.

However, option D being a close contender still conveys the possibility that running plus giving up wheat together could work and it doesn't directly weaken the argument that "giving up wheat leads to weight loss".
The attack is not direct.

Thus, I believe B is the best option and it more strongly weakens the argument.

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20 Mar 2018, 09:21
My conclusion : Argument says X(giving up wheat) is reason for causing Z(weight reduction).
Option D says Rom did Y(running). By adding option D to argument, we can weak it by saying that Y is also reason for Z.

According to OA, conclusion is "Rom gave up wheat because it is the cause for weight".
Option B tells that Rom gave wheat because of other reason(sensitivity to wheat).

Which one is the conclusion of the argument?

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20 Mar 2018, 21:44
IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.
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20 Mar 2018, 22:25
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IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.

Yes I was also thinking on similar lines
Bcz celiac disease causes overweight or not is an external knowledge

May be we are having trouble identifying the argument
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21 Mar 2018, 00:06
Not convinced with the OA.

Even if he has family history, there is no mention of the chances of the disease showing up, or he being aware of this fact, or the the disease showing its effects on him three years back. There is no relation established here. Whereas running definitely has to do more with weight loss than just a knowledge of family history of some disease (strictly staying within the scope of the facts given in the argument that has not given any information about the fact celiac disease=obesity). Even if he has a family history, does the disease almost always show? or did he become aware of the fact 3 years back? There is certainly a missing step for the OA to fit in!
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coolpj001 wrote:
IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.

Yes I was also thinking on similar lines
Bcz celiac disease causes overweight or not is an external knowledge

May be we are having trouble identifying the argument

He runs 3 miles doesn't mean he started running in those years, it is his daily habit, so he used to run even before leaving eating wheat and hence will not weaken the argument

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Between B and D, B doesn't tell us how reducing wheat helped in weight loss,
Ans is D because it gives us another reason for his loss of weight. Which might not be true in others case. Thus the argument fails
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23 Mar 2018, 21:22
[quote="ArunMunthala"][quote="akshata19"][quote="coolpj001"]IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.[/quote]

Yes I was also thinking on similar lines
Bcz celiac disease causes overweight or not is an external knowledge

May be we are having trouble identifying the argument
He runs 3 miles doesn't mean he started running in those years, it is his daily habit, so he used to run even before leaving eating wheat and hence will not weaken the argument

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Yes you are correct.
Reread the whole thing 5 times
Got it now

the sentence 'He says he feels better than he has in years.'
This is after stopping wheat

In 'Running' option the period is not given. It is incomplete. Whether he started running when he stopped wheat is not given so yes it is a B

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15 May 2018, 16:43
I dont agree with this one. I would have chosen B had it said the diseases causes weight gain. This disease could have easily been called blinkatonic disease (made up but what if it meant gluten causes excessive blinking).
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Three years ago, Ron gave up eating anything with wheat in it. In that time, he lowered his cholesterol by 100 points and lost nearly 85 pounds. He says he feels better than he has in years. As a result, he is writing a book which says that everyone should stop eating wheat products. He says people are not made to eat wheat and that giving it up is the key to losing weight and being healthier.

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument above?

B Ron has a family history of celiac disease, which is an extreme sensitivity to wheat gluten.
D Ron runs three miles every morning.

(B) vs (D)

(B) States he runs three miles every morning- Might be its his daily routine now, but what about the cause of cholesterol ad weight loss 3 years ago ? Did he started running 3 years ago ?

(D) The highlighted part suggest : Giving up wheat = Key to loosing weight !!! It's not the case for Ron, as he started feels better after quitting wheat products as he was sensitive to wheat gluten.

Thus (B) states that sensitivity to Wheat Gluten (For Ron) was the main cause for Ron's feeling Better/Worse (for his case), which may or may not be the same for every one....
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How b is correct?

Without outside knowledge about " celiac disease", one cannot know whether the disease lead to weight gain.

IMO, D is correct because it explains other possibility that might lead to weight loss.

Expert please shed some light on this question.

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IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.

Here it says that he runs three miles every day,but when did he start running daily?
If he started this a few years ago then he would have already been healthy.
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How b is correct?

Without outside knowledge about " celiac disease", one cannot know whether the disease lead to weight gain.

IMO, D is correct because it explains other possibility that might lead to weight loss.

Expert please shed some light on this question.

Thank you.

Hi ballest127.

Your reasoning makes complete sense. Without bringing in knowledge related to so called celiac disease, which knowledge is not common, there is no way clearly define why (B) weakens the argument. So, (B) is not a good OA.

At the same time, since we don't know when he started running three miles every morning, (D) is not a great weakener either, as he could have been running all along for all we know, even when he was less healthy.

(C) is actually a contender, as it could be that wheat was not the factor making Ron less healthy, but rather the carbohydrates in wheat. Even that choice is not a clear weakener though, as we don't know that he didn't swap wheat for another carb laden food.

So, really there doesn't seem to be a good answer to this question. You can see it for what it is and learn from it what there is to learn.
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06 Feb 2019, 19:49
Hi there,

Could you explain the direct or indirect attack on argument to strengthen and weaken problems?

SonalSinha803 wrote:
akshata19 wrote:
Definitely B and D are contenders
But B says he is gluten sensitive hence omitted wheat but then why did he lose weight?

If we take D, it clearly clarifies that giving up wheat will not result in weight loss

May be I missing something to see B as the final choice

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What I feel is that since celiac disease leads to obesity, Ron would have given up wheat that promotes the disease and now has lost weight. But, he misinterprets the fact that since he has lost weight by giving up wheat, wheat is is the key factor that causes obesity. Thus, to weaken the argument, option B gives an alternative reason as to why giving up wheat has worked for him but that doesn't mean that wheat is the 'key' cause of obesity and that by giving it up everyone can lose weight.

However, option D being a close contender still conveys the possibility that running plus giving up wheat together could work and it doesn't directly weaken the argument that "giving up wheat leads to weight loss".
The attack is not direct.

Thus, I believe B is the best option and it more strongly weakens the argument.

Thanks !! ?

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How b is correct?

Without outside knowledge about " celiac disease", one cannot know whether the disease lead to weight gain.

IMO, D is correct because it explains other possibility that might lead to weight loss.

Expert please shed some light on this question.

Thank you.

Here is my approach.

I guess Option B is a perfect choice.We are not supposed to know what Celiac means ..I mean no outside knowledge is required.

Now the question is why ?

Option B says
Ron has a family history of celiac disease, which is an extreme sensitivity to wheat gluten.

The lines highligted in RED clearly states what it is..It is some extreme sensitivity to Wheat..

Now this is a weaken question ..So we are looking for some reason to which contradicts the fact that giving up wheat will lead to weight loss for all.

And Bingo ..this the exact case.

Hope it helps !!
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IMO D

the reason why he gave up eating wheat is not important imo. He could have given it up by choice or due to celiac.

However, D clearly indicates that he lost weight not becuase of abstinence but becuase he runs 3 miles every morning.

Please let me know if my reasoning is correct. CR seems to be my achilles heel.

Here it says that he runs three miles every day,but when did he start running daily?
If he started this a few years ago then he would have already been healthy.

Perfect !!

We dont know if he has to run 0.005 miles or 3 miles or 1000 miles to loose weight
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prabsahi

Thank you for your kind explanation.

However, if we accept B is true , can we need to make another assumption that "being sensitive to wheat gluten can lead to weight gain"?. If this is true , would it be acceptable to make that additional assumption?

Thank you.
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