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Hi GMATNinja

Thanks for your great explanation. I just want to draw you attention to GMAC reply to this question.

It is the same analysis by Ron in page 1.
Great catch, Mo2men! (Hm, the guy who wrote that BTG response looks vaguely familiar, somehow. I have reason to believe that the guy has upgraded to a better GMAT forum.) And @RonPurewal's explanation is spot-on. Looks like (E) is a valid answer as well as (B).

A note to anyone joining this thread: as of August 2019, this question still appears in the GMATPrep online practice tests despite this fairly significant error. Don't be too concerned if you run into difficulties with this question!
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the solution is logically clear,
but, Is there any take-away that allows us to complete in time such type of question?
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Hi,

When I first read through this question I translated the rates differently. How does the wording of the prompt make it clear that "overall acceptance rate" means e.g. accepted domestic films/submitted domestic films and not accepted domestic films/all submitted films? Similarly is there something in the language that makes it clear that within each category, the acceptance rates of drama and comedy are country specific and not e.g. accepted foreign dramas/all dramas submitted? Is this an inference task or is this in the language e.g. the expression "rate for ..."?

Because when I considered the rates in the described "wrong" way I got stuck since these definitions don't fit all of the conditions given in the question and lost valuable time.

I hope this is somewhat clear. Thanks!
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Hi,

When I first read through this question I translated the rates differently. How does the wording of the prompt make it clear that "overall acceptance rate" means e.g. accepted domestic films/submitted domestic films and not accepted domestic films/all submitted films? Similarly is there something in the language that makes it clear that within each category, the acceptance rates of drama and comedy are country specific and not e.g. accepted foreign dramas/all dramas submitted? Is this an inference task or is this in the language e.g. the expression "rate for ..."?

Because when I considered the rates in the described "wrong" way I got stuck since these definitions don't fit all of the conditions given in the question and lost valuable time.

I hope this is somewhat clear. Thanks!
This is one of the very few official questions that has a pretty serious error in it, so don't waste too many brain cells on it.

To be clear: this almost never happens. Please don't get into the habit of thinking that it's a good idea to second-guess official questions. But this is an interesting exception. Again, don't lose any sleep over it.

I hope that helps a bit!
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The symbol means end result should have higher acceptance.
only Foreigner Drama does not need to have higher acceptance effect. which is B option.

GMATNinja ; how about this approach to quickly reach to answer . please suggest.
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Dear GMATNinja,

Can you please share some strategy to attack this type of questions?

Thanks in anticipation.
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We can infer this Quantitative analysis using weighted average concept. We need to consider weights of acceptance rates.

Given:
AR of Drama + Foreign = Drama + Local = d (d is lower of two ARs)

AR of Comedy + Foreign = Comedy + Local = c (c is higher of the two ARs)

AR of Foreign (f) < AR of Local (l), How?

f is the weighted average of c and d for foreign films

l is the weighted average of c and d for local films

As l>f
l is more towards c (higher weight) whereas f is more towards d (lower weight): Ans B

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Dear GMATNinja,

Can you please share some strategy to attack this type of questions?

Thanks in anticipation.

Hi

I solved this question by making a table as below and highlight the key points ( red colour ) in table
Focus : on yellow part to keep red part true

There can be 2 possible answers of this questions:
Either Foreign Drama number is LOW that in total Foreign become less accepted than Domestic
or
Domestic Comedy number is HIGH that in total Domestic become higher than Foreign.


With this thought in mind:
A. significantly fewer foreign films than domestic films were accepted -
Rejected: I am looking for comparison in total number of domestic vs foreign in one of the category ; acceptance would not help

B. a higher proportion of the foreign than of the domestic films submitted were submitted as dramas
Seems correct: comparison in one of the category between Foreign and domestic in one of the category- hold on

C. the rate of acceptance of foreign films submitted was the same for dramas as it was for comedies
Reject: it only compares foreign in 2 categories but not with domestic . secondly total number is not given

D. the majority of the domestic films submitted were submitted as comedies
it is close but it only gives number about domestic films, foreign films in another category could be much higher or lower to conclusion true or false.
Rejected;

E. the majority of the foreign films submitted were submitted as dramas
Rejected: same reason as D, here we only know about foreign in both category but no comparison with domestic .


Hint: The question deals with 2 comparison
Foreign vs Domestic
Comedy vs Drama
Correct option should cover both comparison
B deals with 2 comparison : " proportion " and " of the foreign than of the domestic "

Other options deals with only 1 of the comparison , so they make the conclusion open to argument.
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If number of local in comedies is the only difference (its more than in foreign)
then even the correct option is not correct 100 percent of the time?
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Took me 2:33 min to answer and opt for B ;That’s bad right :(

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Took me 2:33 min to answer and opt for B ;That’s bad right :(

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The question is even more complex as E can never be Wrong too. :lol:
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Could u provide a simple answer to this question?
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I did this question using weighted average on extreme values in double set matrices for acceptance rates. Here, we have included all given information. Comedy has higher acceptance rate than Drama. For a higher average, you would need more comedies and fewer drama submissions.

.............................Drama............Comedy..........Avg1.....Avg2....Avg3
Domestic..................1%..................100%........... 90%.......90%......30% (Domestic)
Foreign....................1%..................100%.............10%.......60%.......10% (Foreign)
Total Submission ....More.................Less

We know that acceptance rate of Domestic is higher. It means that the fraction of comedies in domestic submissions is higher than the fraction of comedies in foreign submissions (to get higher acceptance rate than foreign). We can flip it to say that fraction of drama submissions in domestic is lower than the fraction of drama submission in foreign i.e. fraction of drama submissions in foreign is higher than drama submission fraction in domestic.
This is option (B) so it has to be true.

(D) the majority of the domestic films submitted were submitted as comedies
Say comedies were not in majority in domestic submissions. Say both were 10 and 10 in domestic submissions. Then acceptance rate fo domestic submissions is about 50%. Then foreign acceptance rate would be less than 50% which means they have more drama and fewer comedies. Say 20 drama and 10 comedies. Overall number of dramas is higher and everything works. So it is NOT necessary that majority of domestic films were comedies. Not correct.

(E) the majority of the foreign films submitted were submitted as dramas

Say in foreign films, equal number were drama and comedy, say 10 each. Then avg. acceptance rate of foreign is about 50%.
Then domestic needs higher than 50% acceptance rate i.e. must have more comedy than drama. Say if there is 1 drama, then comedy must be 2 etc
But this will make the overall submissions of comedy (10 + 2) more the overall submissions of drama (10 + 1). But this is not possible. We know that overall drama submissions were higher.
So equal number of drama and comedy are not possible for foreign submissions. Drama submissions must be higher. Then (E) must be correct too.
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This is definitely a tricky one! Your first job, as always, is to determine whether you can answer this question in a reasonable amount of time.

While there are some truly admirable charts and equations on this thread, creating those during the test without using up a ton of precious time might not be practical. In reality, if you are struggling to understand the logic of the passage, you might just have to go with the answer choice that seems to make the most sense and then get the heck out. Wasting time on questions that are over your head is a recipe for disaster! Part of your test prep is to get used to moving on when you are stumped rather than letting a handful of tough questions take up a huge chunk of your time and brain power.

That said, I think the easiest way to explain this question is using a weighted averages concept. Let's break down the given facts:

"Within each category, drama and comedy,... the acceptance rate for domestic films was the same as that for foreign films":

  • If X% of domestic dramas were accepted, then X% of foreign dramas must have been accepted as well.
  • If Y% of domestic comedies were accepted, then Y% of foreign comedies must also have been accepted.
  • Since drama "has a lower acceptance rate than comedy," we know that X% < Y%.

For each geographic group (foreign and domestic), how do we determine the overall acceptance rate? This is where we can apply a weighted averages mentality:

  • If the number of foreign dramas submitted is equal to the number of foreign comedies submitted, then the overall acceptance rate for foreign films would simply be the average of X and Y.
  • If the number of foreign dramas submitted is greater than the number of foreign comedies submitted, then the overall acceptance rate for foreign films would be closer to X% than to Y%.
  • If the number of foreign dramas submitted is less than the number of foreign comedies submitted, then the overall acceptance rate for foreign films would be closer to Y% than to X%.
  • We can make similar statements about domestic comedies/dramas.

"This year, the overall acceptance rate for domestic films was significantly higher than that for foreign films."

  • As per the last set of bullets, the overall acceptance rate will go DOWN (towards X%) as the proportion of films submitted as dramas goes UP.
  • That means that a higher proportion of the foreign than of the domestic films submitted were submitted as dramas.

I hope that helps!

Hi GMATNinja

Thanks for your great explanation. I just want to draw you attention to GMAC reply to this question.

https://gmatclub.com/forum/?href=-og-cr ... 7a224d2cae

It is the same analysis by Ron in page 1.

"Hello David,

Upon a careful review of the question by our question writers, we agree with you: both B and E are viable responses and the question is confusing. We are in the process of making upgrades to the GMATPrep software and we will remove it from the new version.

To provide you with a bit more background: as you probably know, we conduct analyses for all questions that appear on the test, and the analysis for this question showed that it was performing as expected - with high ability candidates either selecting answer choice B to get it right or selecting answer choices other than E in getting the question wrong. Answer choice E was actually the least selected amongst all options. Based on the results of the analysis, it was included on the GMAT exam and, subsequently, in GMATPrep.

As a result of your query, we will remove it from GMATPrep when the new version launches. Thank you for raising this issue."

WOW, four years and they have not done so...

Hi! Does anyone know why E can be correct but D is not?

Also, overall tips for rates or percentages CR questions or similar practice questions are gladly accepted :please:
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The question still came on Mock Test 5 as on today. Don't think they will pull the question out or anything.
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we need to pick the best option as a concluding statement from the given piece of text

A: can't say, we just know proportion & not the number
B: applies correctly; BEST CHOICE
C: not that's not correct, can't say
D: can't say, we just know proportion & not the number
E: can't say, we just know proportion & not the number
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