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New post 05 Dec 2018, 15:11
Hi all,



I am a 25 year old European and I am lucky enough to have been admitted to both schools. I am writing this post in order to ask for your help in choosing between the two schools.

In regards to my background, I worked for 2 years in a big four and 2 years in industry in auditing/accounting roles. Personally, my goals on career and location can be adjusted based on the school that I choose.

The two schools have the following pros and cons:

Tuck:
Pros:
-Better MBA culture since it is located in the US.
-Located in the US, a place that I would love to live even for 2 years.
-2 year program that is ideal for a younger applicant as myself.

Cons:
-Expensive
-Hard to obtain US visa after
-Not known in Europe

Cambridge:
Pros:
-Cheap
-As a European, I have no issues with visas
-Global recognition of the University even in the US

Cons:
-The program isn't well respected in the MBA community

Thank you very much for your time.
I am looking forward to your feedback.

Kind regards
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Congratulations. Please update your decision tracker of Tuck to admit. Currently, it shows "Interviewed."

I am also tagging bb and billionaire who can provide better comments.
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SteliosXas wrote:
Hi all,



I am a 25 year old European and I am lucky enough to have been admitted to both schools. I am writing this post in order to ask for your help in choosing between the two schools.

In regards to my background, I worked for 2 years in a big four and 2 years in industry in auditing/accounting roles. Personally, my goals on career and location can be adjusted based on the school that I choose.

The two schools have the following pros and cons:

Tuck:
Pros:
-Better MBA culture since it is located in the US.
-Located in the US, a place that I would love to live even for 2 years.
-2 year program that is ideal for a younger applicant as myself.

Cons:
-Expensive
-Hard to obtain US visa after
-Not known in Europe

Cambridge:
Pros:
-Cheap
-As a European, I have no issues with visas
-Global recognition of the University even in the US

Cons:
-The program isn't well respected in the MBA community

Thank you very much for your time.
I am looking forward to your feedback.

Kind regards
Stelios

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Hello SteliosXas

Your name seems Greek to me ;)

Congrats on admission to both top schools. :thumbup:

Okay I would agree with your evaluation of Tuck, except why would you care if Tuck is known or not in Europe, since you said you don"t have preference toward location after graduation ?

First of all, Tuck Dartmouth is well known in Europe, not like Cambridge as brand (Cambridge as University, one of oldest and most respected), but that would be omission of Europeans, since their MBA is probably better than Judge's.

I don't believe you will have any problem with Visa, since that will be responsibility of US company who is going to hire you, to sort the papers.

And after Tuck, you will have several offers.

Look from that perspective.

Finally, Tuck is not expensive, if you know the figures, you can expect $170,706 weighted average salary and 110% salary increase.


I would say, you subconsciously think as European and about going back to EU.


Once you are there, in US, if you decide to go, you will change perspective, at least in those two years.


Again, I would agree with your evaluation of Judge pros and disagree with cons, even figures can support my stance, average weighted salary that expect you is $162,143 and 100% salary increase, meaning double compared with what you probably earn now, so much about disrespect in MBA community or whatever.

I can see what is your biggest concern here, Tuck cost around $145,050, Judge (more than) double less $64,435, but we are also talking about 2 year vs. 1 year program, right ?


More important math for you:



Tuck :

Total 5-year MBA gain:$75,900

2016 Salary:$203,000

Years to payback: 3.9



Judge :

Total 5-year MBA gain:$140,000

2016 Salary:$163,000

Years to payback: 2.4


You can see, that higher 5 year gain of Judge option is influenced by higher Tuck fees actually, but in the longer run, you can expect to earn more with Tuck.

Of course that is not the whole picture, US has higher cost of living compared to UK/EU, so all in all, they are maybe approximately the same.


It comes to your decision where do you see yourself rather working and living after graduation ?

If you want different cultural experience go to Tuck.

If you are sure, you want to live in Europe upon graduation, Judge is way to go.


As European myself, I am going to vote for Tuck, seems like more fun to me :cool:



Below is comparison of both business schools in terms of various categories by Economist.

In case you wonder, lower figure means better ranked in that category. ;)


Good Luck with decision !
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New post 07 Dec 2018, 16:59
Dear BB,


Thank you very much for your reply.
Your message has been so helpful that I am still discussing it with my family.
I can't thank you enough.
Thank you again.

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New post 12 Dec 2018, 23:07
Out of curiosity, what have you decided? Tuck is a tier above Judge imo and despite the visa issues, it could set you up better than a Judge MBA. The Tuck network being older and more tight knit could potentially help you with European jobs as well. How is the Tuck network in your home country?
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New post 13 Dec 2018, 03:20
Hi, having gone to a few Tuck events in London, the network is small, but it seems to be quite supportive.

I think if you're planning to do a few years in the US after graduation, Tuck would be the one to go for. It has a strong brand there and could land you a good job - you can then use the job as a platform back into Europe if that's what you're after. I would speak to alums and current students that currently work or are planning to work in Europe and get a sense of the brand, community etc. Cast the net wide.

It also depends on the type of work you want to do post-MBA. If it's MBB/other strat consulting/IB/VC, people will probably know of Tuck. If you're looking at start-ups/niche career options, I'm not so sure if people will recognise Tuck.


Cambridge is also obviously cheaper. Again, speak with Cambridge alums to get an idea of experience etc. I've always thought that one year programmes might be a little rushed.
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New post 14 Dec 2018, 20:30
I would choose Tuck. As you mentioned you are 25 with 4 years of experience, Tuck makes more sense as it provides you an opportunity for the internship as compared to Cambridge one year mba. One year mba is for more experienced folks who are looking to accelerate in their career.

Having lived in US and seen the visa issues from close quarter, I can tell you the H1-B work visa depends on your luck. Most of the people are able to get the visa but there are unlucky folks who return back as well. Moreover, Tuck MBA is not a STEM program, which provides you the cushion of OPT - a temporary work authorization for couple of years. As others have suggested, I would talk to current alumni and keep in mind the worst case scenario of returning back, if no H1-B is issued and make decision accordingly.
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New post 16 Dec 2018, 03:41
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I would choose Tuck. As you mentioned you are 25 with 4 years of experience, Tuck makes more sense as it provides you an opportunity for the internship as compared to Cambridge one year mba. One year mba is for more experienced folks who are looking to accelerate in their career.

Having lived in US and seen the visa issues from close quarter, I can tell you the H1-B work visa depends on your luck. Most of the people are able to get the visa but there are unlucky folks who return back as well. Moreover, Tuck MBA is not a STEM program, which provides you the cushion of OPT - a temporary work authorization for couple of years. As others have suggested, I would talk to current alumni and keep in mind the worst case scenario of returning back, if no H1-B is issued and make decision accordingly.


While Tuck is not a STEM program, you'll still 1 year of OPT with Tuck. H1B work visa does come down to luck but even after getting through the lottery, things have gotten tougher under the current administration.
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