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New post 16 Mar 2016, 13:28
Hey guys,

Greetings from Brazil!

Got accepted in this two great Schools and would appreciate your insights...

Post-MBA plan: Ultimately I want to return to my family's business in Brazil (discretionary retail), but if opportunities arise I would like to work abroad (either USA or EU) for a while. My plan is to recruit for a big retailer (such as Amazon) or Consulting (MBB).

Academically I feel that both Schools are similar (general management focused) and professionally I know both will open doors. In the end I know I will follow my heart, but I am interested to know what would you guys do if you were in my shoes and why?

So far this is my pros/cons list on each School:

Tuck
Pros:
Good personal fit - prefer living in the US than in EU;
Strong Community - loved the people and the Hanover NH location;
2 Years;

Cons:
Brand slightly less known in Brazil compared to other top10 schools or INSEAD;
Smaller network;
weather - although I wouldn't say this is too much of a problem;

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Pros:
Outstanding reputation and awesome brand;
Good family business network and programs;
Cheaper coast of attendance;
My wife has Italian citizenship - which could help her find a job if she wants to do it (this is not her plan though);
Possibility to travel all across Europe;

Cons:
1 year - this is a big one - I feel like the program is going to be intense and I would not be able to enjoy the experience as much as I would in a 2Y program;
No possibility to do a summer internship to explore the careers I want to - Would need to recruit after the MBA;
Not in the US - which would probably make recruiting to the US "almost impossible" if I decide that I want to work there, although I don't necessarily want to work in the US;
Language - I know the courses will be in English and this is an amazing opportunity to learn a new language, but it is tough living in a country that you don't speak the language - I will be in the Fontainebleau Campus and speak 0 French;
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It seems you have done a good analysis of the situation at both schools. I am not super familiar with Insead, in part because they keep their stats and details close to their chest, but do you feel they have the right on campus recruiting events? And how much MBB is there in Europe hired locally?

You are correct that being in Europe for school will probably put you there or Asia for work.... Would be tough without French to work in France so that leaves UK or Portugal realistically?

I think of you have time, you are not feeling pressure to get back into the work force, and your work experience is not 10+ years, a 2-year tuck program is a good fit.

At the same time I am not sure that I can say it would be relaxing doing the MBA - it is hard work either way. Insead would definitely leave fewer options for "self discovery" and "soul searching". You will be sending resumes out in October.

PS. A lot of the success in your MBA depends on your personal network. Do you have anything in either Europe or US? Folks you can leverage or people who could recommend or vouch for you? That would potentially be a big enough reason to attend Insead rather Tuck.






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Congrats for both schools.

One of Dilemma that no one likes to be in :-D

Both schools will serve your short & long term goals. Every schools has its dominant geographical presence for MBB. Both have partner club that may suit your wife and allow to engage in the community. I'm leaning to Tuck as 2-year program can give you self-reflection and get max. of electives that serve long term goal. Yet, I'm not sure about retail for both schools. You can ask both career service. In Tuck there are different ways of learning such global consulting projects and Independent study that may you utilize to help you to research an interest topic for your family business. I assume that the 1-year program won't help you doing this due to time limit.

In case of choosing INSEAD for other concerns such as your wife privilege to work there, you won't lose. Both schools have there vibes.
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In Europe you can always target Netherlands, Switzerland and Scandinavian countries to work without speaking their languages. They are quite open to foreigners. Don't forget Ireland too. So at least not only UK or Portugal as your choices ;)
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greenzie wrote:
In Europe you can always target Netherlands, Switzerland and Scandinavian countries to work without speaking their languages. They are quite open to foreigners. Don't forget Ireland too. So at least not only UK or Portugal as your choices ;)


True. I forgot about those countries - tells you how much I know about the job market there... we probably can expect changes to their policies, however, for the Scandinavian countries in terms of work permit and protectionism in terms of jobs. I don't know much about hiring in Europe - would those countries have consulting or tech or large retailer options? Ireland has some good presence due to their tax policy changes in 80's and 90's but not sure in terms of current situation.
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Don't know much (or even at all) about consulting. I know they are present here.

But there are quite a lot of large MNCs in the Netherlands (Shell, Unilever, Philip are all Dutch companies). There are Ikea and Volvo in Sweden and there are quite plenty in Switzerland.
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Guys, thank you all for your replies!! Well, it seems to be a tie thus far, with a slight advantage towards Tuck! Let me answer some questions to see if someone else jumps in to share his thoughts...

bb: I am aware that getting my MBA degree wont be relaxing, it is a huge investment on myself so I plan to work really hard, haha! What I meant was that in a 2Y MBA program I will have more time to enjoy the MBA experience (although I know I will make the time to enjoy it too in a 1Y program). My point is that for me the MBA is not just a means to an end, I am definitely looking forward to explore the campus vibe, interact with the community, network with alumni, and enjoy the perks of live in the US/EU.
Regarding MBB recruiting opportunities at INSEAD, I am pretty confident these firms have solid on-campus recruitment and if I really decide consulting is what I want to do, I wouldn't mind recruiting for their offices in Brazil. Though, at this moment, I am kind of leaning towards the opportunity to work for a large retailer, especially at a place where I could learn best practices of the discretionary retail industry to eventually adapt them and introduce them to my family's business. It is important to say that another reason for me to get my MBA is to become an innovative leader.
To your other point, my only network in the US/EU would be the one that the schools would offer me, for instance access to Brazilian alums. Although I have a former direct supervisor (he wrote one of my rec letters), who his an INSEAD alum. So, I guess he could vouch for me if necessary.

Mo2men & greenzie: Concerning retail placement, I feel both schools will be solid. For instance, Amazon, which is the Company I would probably choose to work for if I could lock my summer internship at this moment, is among the top hiring firms at both schools. In the US there are probably more options, such as: Walmart, CVS, etc. While in Europe, Ikea would be a really sweet Company to work for, since it is the largest furniture retailer in the world and my family's business is focused on furniture and housewares.
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Mo2men & greenzie: Concerning retail placement, I feel both schools will be solid. For instance, Amazon, which is the Company I would probably choose to work for if I could lock my summer internship at this moment, is among the top hiring firms at both schools. In the US there are probably more options, such as: Walmart, CVS, etc. While in Europe, Ikea would be a really sweet Company to work for, since it is the largest furniture retailer in the world and my family's business is focused on furniture and housewares.


I had a quick look to employment reports for Tuck 2013-2015. You were right that Amazon, ebay and CVS recruit there. The employment stats for consumer goods & retail ranges from 7%-10%. If IkEA recruit from INSEAD, then you are lucky. It is one of best retail schools and their operations cases are used every where.
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Although I have a slight bias for INSEAD, I think both schools are equal in consulting and industry.

Both schools are super strong for consulting, but dont really specialise in a particular area of industry (particularly retail - perhaps HEC would be stronger for that), though theyre still decent.

It all really comes down where you want to work. EU vs USA - and thats what only YOU can decide on. INSEAD have a very good influence in Asia and EU, Tuck in USA. Though INSEAD still has a decent name for itself in USA - though that seems to be localised to silicon valley (so tech - not really your interest) and will gain traction/interest on its new #1 FT ranking.

Cant say the same for Tuck, as i dont think it has such a name in EU, but similar to INSEAD & USA, Tuck has a alright name in Asia. The top 10 USA Business schools (and I'd say Tuck is a top 10 in US) all have a very good presence in Asia - who LOVE brands.
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Hey guys, I got in at Yale SOM too! Does this change anybody's opinion? Or should I still be between Tuck and insead?
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