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Question No.: RC 125 ~ 130
Page: 360

Two modes of argumentation have been used on behalf of women’s emancipation in Western societies. Arguments in what could be called the “relational” feminist tradition maintain the doctrine of “equality in difference,” or equity as distinct from equality. They posit that biological distinctions between the sexes result in a necessary sexual division of labor in the family and throughout society and that women’s procreative labor is currently undervalued by society, to the disadvantage of women. By contrast, the individualist feminist tradition emphasizes individual human rights and celebrates women’s quest for personal autonomy, while downplaying the importance of gender roles and minimizing discussion of childbearing and its attendant responsibilities.

Before the late nineteenth century, these views coexisted within the feminist movement, often within the writings of the same individual. Between 1890 and 1920, however, relational feminism, which had been the dominant strain in feminist thought, and which still predominates among European and non-Western feminists, lost ground in England and the United States. Because the concept of individual rights was already well established in the Anglo-Saxon legal and political tradition, individualist feminism came to predominate in English-speaking countries. At the same time, the goals of the two approaches began to seem increasingly irreconcilable. Individualist feminists began to advocate a totally gender-blind system with equal rights for all. Relational feminists, while agreeing that equal educational and economic opportunities outside the home should be available for all women, continued to emphasize women’s special contributions to society as homemakers and mothers; they demanded special treatment for women, including protective legislation for women workers, state-sponsored maternity benefits, and paid compensation for housework.

Relational arguments have a major pitfall: because they underline women’s physiological and psychological distinctiveness, they are often appropriated by political adversaries and used to endorse male privilege. But the individualist approach, by attacking gender roles, denying the significance of physiological difference, and condemning existing familial institutions as hopelessly patriarchal, has often simply treated as irrelevant the family roles important to many women. If the individualist framework, with its claim for women’s autonomy, could be harmonized with the family-oriented concerns of relational feminists, a more fruitful model for contemporary feminist politics could emerge.


85. A This statement reverses the order: the more general intellectual trends in English history influenced individualist feminism.
B Feminism is not said to be a part of the Anglo-Saxon tradition.
C While relational feminism is said to predominate among European and non-Western feminists, the passage offers no evidence of a decline in individualist feminism among these groups.
D Correct. The author uses the information about individual rights and the Anglo-Saxon tradition to explain why individualist feminism predominated in English speaking countries.
E The Anglo-Saxon tradition is not said to account for all the philosophical diff erences between the two feminist traditions in English-speaking countries, but only for the fact that individualist feminism became predominant there.

The correct answer is D.

1. The author of the passage alludes to the well-established nature of the concept of individual rights in the Anglo-Saxon legal and political tradition in order to

(A) illustrate the influence of individualist feminist thought on more general intellectual trends in English history
(B) argue that feminism was already a part of the larger Anglo-Saxon intellectual tradition, even though this has often gone unnoticed by critics of women’s emancipation
(C) explain the decline in individualist thinking among feminists in non-English-speaking countries
(D) help account for an increasing shift toward individualist feminism among feminists in English-speaking countries
(E) account for the philosophical differences between individualist and relational feminists in English-speaking countries


86. A In lines 19–24, the author identifies one cause for the situation.
B In lines 51–55, the author implies that a reconciliation might be possible, making this an overstatement.
C The author does not suggest that consensus is likely to happen soon; cooperation is not discussed.
D Correct. Th is statement is consistent with the view the author expressed in the third paragraph.
E The last paragraph discusses the problems of both feminist traditions, but the author does not say one is better for contemporary feminist politics than the other.

The correct answer is D.

2. The passage suggests that the author of the passage believes which of the following?

(A) The predominance of individualist feminism in English-speaking countries is a historical phenomenon, the causes of which have not yet been investigated.
(B) The individualist and relational feminist views are irreconcilable, given their theoretical differences concerning the foundations of society.
(C) A consensus concerning the direction of future feminist politics will probably soon emerge, given the awareness among feminists of the need for cooperation among women.
(D) Political adversaries of feminism often misuse arguments predicated on differences between the sexes to argue that the existing social system should be maintained.
(E) Relational feminism provides the best theoretical framework for contemporary feminist politics, but individualist feminism could contribute much toward refining and strengthening modern feminist thought.


87. A The passage neither discusses increased effi ciency nor implies that individualist feminists would reject it.
B The passage does not indicate that individualist feminists would disagree with this statement.
C Correct. This statement refl ects the position of the relational feminists that the individualist feminists oppose; individualist feminists instead stress individual rights and personal autonomy.
D The passage off ers no evidence that individualist feminists would disagree with this statement.
E Nothing in the passage indicates that individualist feminists would disagree with this statement.

The correct answer is C.

3. It can be inferred from the passage that the individualist feminist tradition denies the validity of which of the following causal statements?

(A) A division of labor in a social group can result in increased efficiency with regard to the performance of group tasks.
(B) A division of labor in a social group causes inequities in the distribution of opportunities and benefits among group members.
(C) A division of labor on the basis of gender in a social group is necessitated by the existence of sex-linked biological differences between male and female members of the group.
(D) Culturally determined distinctions based on gender in a social group foster the existence of differing attitudes and opinions among group members.
(E) Educational programs aimed at reducing inequalities based on gender among members of a social group can result in a sense of greater well-being for all members of the group.


88. A Only individualist feminists believe that individual human rights are most important (lines 11–13).
B Relational feminists do believe in a gender-based division of labor (lines 6–8).
C Lines 30–37 show that relational feminists do not believe in gender-blind equal rights laws.
D Only relational feminists believe in the importance of women’s special contributions to society (lines 35–36).
E Correct. Practitioners of both feminist traditions believe that equal educational and economic opportunities should be available to both sexes.

The correct answer is E.

4. According to the passage, relational feminists and individualist feminists agree that

(A) individual human rights take precedence over most other social claims
(B) the gender-based division of labor in society should be eliminated
(C) laws guaranteeing equal treatment for all citizens regardless of gender should be passed
(D) a greater degree of social awareness concerning the importance of motherhood would be beneficial to society
(E) the same educational and economic opportunities should be available to both sexes


89. A The passage states that relational feminism was the dominant strain of the two views that coexisted; thus, the individualist arguments existed before 1890.
B Correct. Lines 20–21 explicitly state that relational feminism had been the dominant strain in feminist thought before 1890.
C The passage shows that the two feminist traditions were not equally prevalent; relational feminism predominated.
D No evidence in the passage supports this statement.
E The passage does not show that most feminists before 1890 took this position.

The correct answer is B.

5. According to the author, which of the following was true of feminist thought in Western societies before 1890?

(A) Individualist feminist arguments were not found in the thought or writing of non-English-speaking feminists.
(B) Individualist feminism was a strain in feminist thought, but another strain, relational feminism, predominated.
(C) Relational and individualist approaches were equally prevalent in feminist thought and writing.
(D) The predominant view among feminists held that the welfare of women was ultimately less important than the welfare of children.
(E) The predominant view among feminists held that the sexes should receive equal treatment under the law.


90. A Individualist feminists advocated a system with equal rights, and relational feminists sought protective legislation, so it is clear both
groups were politically active; the author does not imply that they were more interested in intellectual issues.
B The passage off ers no evidence to show broader or growing support for feminist ideas.
C International cooperation is not discussed in the passage.
D No information in the passage supports this statement.
E Correct. As the goals of the two feminist traditions grew increasingly irreconcilable, feminists in England and the United States did not try to harmonize the two strains in their thinking.

The correct answer is E.

6. The author implies that which of the following was true of most feminist thinkers in England and the United States after 1920?

(A) They were less concerned with politics than with intellectual issues.
(B) They began to reach a broader audience and their programs began to be adopted by mainstream political parties.
(C) They called repeatedly for international cooperation among women’s groups to achieve their goals.
(D) They moderated their initial criticism of the economic systems that characterized their societies.
(E) They did not attempt to unite the two different feminist approaches in their thought


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85. The author hints to the well-established nature of the concept of indiv. rights in the Anglo-Saxon legal and political tradition in order to...
Catch your eye: Anglo-Saxon...
Go to: Line 24-28- Because the concept of individual rights was already well established in the Anglo Saxon legal and political tradition, individualist feminism came to predominate in English-speaking countries.
Answer: Relating to the second part of the sentence.

86. The author believes...
Go through answer choices.
Not A: ... is a historical phenomenon, causes of which have not yet been investigated. Passage states none of this.
Had B, but not B: The indiv. and relational feminist views are irreconcilable. Are irreconcilable is not the same as increasingly irreconcilable.
Not C: An agreement will probably soon emerge, given ... the need for cooperation among women. Could emerge not the same as will probably soon emerge and further, passage did not state that cooperation among women is needed for the emergence, but the framework of indiv. and relational feminism.
It's D: Political opponents often assert the argument by relational feminism to endorse male privilege, which is the existing system. Read 3rd para. 1st sentence., the sentence structure is similar, too.
E: Relational feminism provides the best theory bla bla bla. Best? Not at all, the passage weighs both argumentation modes equally and not saying that one or the other is an absolute best.

87. Indiv. feminist trad. denies the validity of...
Go through answer choices: 3-2 split, read D and E will quickly tell you that none of those is discussed in the passage. Division of labor is found in the 1st para. 3rd sentence.
Not A: ... efficiency wrt performance of group tasks. Incorrect.
Not B: ... distribution of opp. and benefits. Incorrect.
It's C: ... biological differences between male and female. Exactly!

88. Relational and indiv. feminists agree that...
Go to: 2nd half of 2nd. para. It starts to discuss about and these phrases should catch your eye: "goals of the two approaches" and "while agreeing".
Not A: Indiv. human rights over other social claims. Not discussed in passage.
Had B, not B: Division of labor agreed by relational, but not by indiv. and passage did not talk about elimination.
Not C: Laws guaranteeing for all citizens... passage talks about women.
Not D: ... motherhood... agreed by relational, not indiv. feminism.
It's E: While agreeing that equal edu. and eco. opp should be available... Exactly!

89. Which was true of feminist thought in West before 1980...
Go to: 1st half of 2nd para. look for the sentence relating to feminist thought.
Not A: ... were not found in the thought or writing. Incorrect.
It's B: Relational feminism had been the dominant strain = relational feminism predominated.
Not C: Approaches were equally accepted. Not true, it is not equal, relational dominates region X, indiv. dominates region Y. Extent/size of X and Y are different.
Not D: welfare of women ... welfare of children. Not discussed in the passage.
Not E: Sexes should receive equal treatment, but not talked around the area of 1st half of 2nd para. It could be after 1920..., B is on the spot!

90. True of most feminist thinkers in England and US after 1920...
Go to 2nd para where it talked about the years: "before late 19th" and "1890-1920".
Not A: less concerned with politics than with intellectual issues. Not discussed in the passage.
Not B: Adopted by main stream political parties. Passage talks about political opponents.
Had C, not C: Women's groups to achieve goals, but action of "called repeatedly for international cooperation" was not stated in the passage.
Not D: Moderated initial criticism of economic system. Not discuessed in the passage.
It's E: Before late 19th, these views coexisted means that after 19th, there is no attempt to unite the different views (relational and indiv.).
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The passage suggests that the author of the passage
believes which of the following?

(A) The predominance of individualist feminism in
English-speaking countries is a historical
phenomenon, the causes of which have not yet
been investigated.
-- The passage states:
Because the concept of individual rights was already well
established in the Anglo-Saxon legal and political tradition,
individualist feminism came to predominate in English-
speaking countries.


(B) The individualist and relational feminist views are
irreconcilable, given their theoretical differences
concerning the foundations of society.

The passage states:
Before the late nineteenth century, these views
coexisted within the feminist movement, often within
the writings of the same individual.

I guess (B) is not true.


(C) A consensus concerning the direction of future
feminist politics will probably soon emerge, given
the awareness among feminists of the need for
cooperation among women.

(D) Political adversaries of feminism often misuse
arguments predicated on differences between the
sexes to argue that the existing social system
should be maintained.
The passage states this about relational, not individual feminism:
Relational arguments have a major pitfall: because
they underline women’s physiological and psychological
distinctiveness, they are often appropriated by political
adversaries and used to endorse male privilege.



(E) Relational feminism provides the best theoretical
framework for contemporary feminist politics, but
individualist feminism could contribute much
toward refining and strengthening modern feminist
thought.

From this info, two choices look good. (C) and (E).
I think (E) is incorrect because individualist feminism contributes to feminist politics. (The opposite is mentioned in the choice).

I would go for (C) by POE. What is the OA?
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The answer is between D and E. I am going for D.



serf87 wrote:
The passage suggests that the author of the passage
believes which of the following?

(D) Political adversaries of feminism often misuse
arguments predicated on differences between the
sexes
to argue that the existing social system
should be maintained.

Lines 40/41 give this information: Relational arguments have a major pitfall: because they underline women’s physiological and psychological distinctiveness, they are often appropriated by political adversaries and used to endorse male privilege. It does not matter that the arguments are put forth by relational feminists and not individual feminists.. the important part is political adversaries are misusing those arguments

(E) Relational feminism provides the best theoretical
framework
for contemporary feminist politics, but
individualist feminism could contribute much
toward refining and strengthening modern feminist
thought.

E is basically saying the author supports relational feminists and a few points of individual feminists are good.
Lines 46/47 give this information: If the individualist framework, with its claim for women’s autonomy, could be harmonized with the family-oriented concerns of relational feminists, a more fruitful model for contemporary feminist politics could emerge.
E is very cleverly twisting this statement into saying that the author likes relational feminism which is just not true.


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I believe the answer is E.

The only place where I actually see the authors opinion is at the end:

If the individu-alist framework, with its claim for women’s autonomy,
could be harmonized with the family-oriented concerns
of relational feminists, a more fruitful model for con-
(50) temporary feminist politics could emerge.

During the rest of the passage the author is just stating facts and does not really accert and opinion.

This to me says that the author feels that there are good points from both the contrasting sides.

The answer that ressembles that the most is E.
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Hi OptimusPrimea1,
I am not too sure whether you have given the exam as of now or not.. but for future references.. here are my 2 cents for discarding option B.. although I also got deceived by this one..
Reason 1 - Predict the answer since it is a Inference based, which is too generic. The answer must lies somewhere in the Main Idea. The Author has not taken any stance regarding any of the frameworks, rather the author believes that a theory(idea) which can be a combination of both Relational and Individual, is possible. You may refer to the last line of the Passage. So, the views actually are not irreconcilable.
Reason 2- keyword-> "Foundations of Society......".. I am not too sure that I have read such words in the passage.. I would rather refrain myself opting for this answer till I reject all other options. hope this makes sense.
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Question 90 is a detail question. 1920 is mentioned in the second paragraph.
You have to read the second paragraph while answering the question.
A - nowhere does the paragraph talk about intellectual issues. Also, this option makes a comparison between importance of politics and intellectual issues to feminists. Nowhere in the paragraph do we see such a comparison.
B - No mention of political parties in the 2nd paragraph. Individualist feminism became more prevalent does not mean that it was adopted by political parties.
C - We know that this is not true. "the goals of the two approaches began to seem increasingly irreconcilable."
D - The 2nd paragraph does not mention anything about economic systems. Nowhere in the paragraph does the author mention that individualist feminists moderated their tones. Look at the 2nd sentence of the 3rd paragraph - But the individualist approach, by attacking gender roles, denying the significance of physiological difference, and damning existing familial institutions as hopelessly patriarchal, has often simply treated as irrelevant the family roles important to many women.
E - Correct answer. Look at this sentence - "the goals of the two approaches began to seem increasingly irreconcilable." and this sentence in the 3rd paragraph - "If the individualist framework, with its claim for women’s autonomy, could be harmonized ". The author would not have mentioned them if they attempted to unite the two approaches.
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1. The author of the passage alludes to the well-established nature of the concept of individual rights in the Anglo-Saxon legal and political tradition in order to

(A) illustrate the influence of individualist feminist thought on more general intellectual trends in English history
nothing about ' intellectual trend' is mentioned.

(B) argue that feminism was already a part of the larger Anglo-Saxon intellectual tradition, even though this has often gone unnoticed by critics of women’s emancipation
nothing mentioned about ' going unnoticed ....' hence half part is correct and other half is wrong

(C) explain the decline in individualist thinking among feminists in non-English-speaking countries
nothing mentioned about declining in non eng countries. out of scope

(D) help account for an increasing shift toward individualist feminism among feminists in English-speaking countries
correct. it dicuss the rising of individualist thinking in eng speaking countries.

(E) account for the philosophical differences between individualist and relational feminists in English-speaking countries
though difference exits, this point is not related to the difference. hence not a point, we are looking for.

q2.

The passage suggests that the author of the passage believes which of the following?

(A) The predominance of individualist feminism in English-speaking countries is a historical phenomenon, the causes of which have not yet been investigated.
wrong. reasons of rising of IF in eng speaking countries are clearly mentioned.

(B) The individualist and relational feminist views are irreconcilable, given their theoretical differences concerning the foundations of society.
differences are not about ' society' rather ' women'. 50% correct.

(C) A consensus concerning the direction of future feminist politics will probably soon emerge, given the awareness among feminists of the need for cooperation among women.
conclusion was about combining the views for better of women. not about ' direction of feminist '.

(D) Political adversaries of feminism often misuse arguments predicated on differences between the sexes to argue that the existing social system should be maintained.
this is what discussed.

(E) Relational feminism provides the best theoretical framework for contemporary feminist politics, but individualist feminism could contribute much toward refining and strengthening modern feminist thought.
nothing abt who is best !. out of scope
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2. The passage suggests that the author of the passage believes which of the following?


Please guide me if I'm wrong..

Between C & E-

Last line of last para says-"If the individualist framework, with its claim for women's autonomy, could be harmonized with the family-oriented concerns of relational feminists, a more fruitful model for contemporary feminist politics could emerge"

Option C says-" A consensus concerning the direction of future feminist politics will probably soon emerge, given the awareness among feminists of the need for cooperation among women."

What I inferred is that the author is optimistic regarding new feministic policy(which is blend of both).

Option E says-"Relational feminism provides the best theoretical framework for contemporary feminist politics, but individualist feminism could contribute much toward refining and strengthening modern feminist thought."

Which I think is distortion of last line, as the author says the new feminist thought which he hopes may soon emerge is fruitful for contemp. pol., whereas the option says rel. fem. provides framework for contemp. pol. & Ind. fem. is refining & bla..bla.. is not mentioned in the passage.
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Overall Passage: the author describes two modes of feminist argumentation - Rational and Individualist
P1: introduces the two concepts
P2: discusses how there was a divergence among feminist believers
P3: discusses pitfalls of either mode and suggest harmonisation

Q1
Anglo individual rights are discussed in p2 in which it is stated "because the concept of...". From this sentence we are told that because the concept was established, the individual mode was easy to cultivate and flourish.
The author mentions this for the reason above
A is incorrect because it wasn't mentioned to demonstrate any influence on intellectual trends
B is incorrect - it is not stated that feminism was already part, but it is implied that individual feminism WAS NOT
C is incorrect - the opposite is true
D is true - the author sets the context to make the reader understand why this mode of feminism took off.
E is incorrect - the author isn't accounting for anything

Q2
A is incorrect - the author speculates what the causes were
B is incorrect - the author CANT believe this otherwise why would he suggest that these modes be "harmonized" in p3?
C is incorrect - the author has no reason to believe the two modes will reach a consensus any time soon, he merely suggests the two modes harmonize
D is correct - the author states in P3 that "Relational arguments...are often appropriated by political adversaries to endorse male privilege" - Now I personally don't believe in this crap and I hate the fact that this is something I need to read, but it is implied that the two genders are iniquitous, so male privilege back then would strictly be defined as the equalities entitled to males inherit in the current social system. This is actually the only thing that can't be eliminated.
E - is incorrect because we are consistently told the opposite and then the author concludes to harmonize the two modes.

Q3
In P1 we are told that relationalists post "that biological differences between sexes results in necessary sex division" and that "by contrast" "individual feminists" emphasize "x,yz " and "downplay the importance of gender roles"
A is incorrect - it is the opposite. The individualists deny that division.
B is incorrect because we aren't told anything of the inequities resultant from division of labour based on sex.
C is correct because this is what relationalists believe and we are told that individualists deny this by downplaying the importance of gender.
D is incorrect - we cannot support this. The key is "differing attitudes"
E is incorrect - This cause-effect relationship really has me confused as to how it even relates at all to what's in the passage.

Q4
We need to find something both modes agree on.
A - is not supported and thus incorrect.
B - is not supported and thus incorrect.
C - no mention of laws at all. Incorrect
D - individualists downplay gender roles, so no they would not agree on this.
E - Yes. This is stated in p3 - "relational feminists, while agreeing that equal educational and economic opportunities"...

Q5
A - is incorrect because we are never told about "thoughts". We also don't know when individualists ideas came in.
B - Yes. "Relational feminism, had been the dominant strain" - P2
C - No. They were only prevalent in Writing. as per P2 sentence 1 we are told that prior to 1890 both modes co-existed in the same writings.
D - No. No such statement is made.
E - we cannot support this. The predominant view was relationist feminism, but we don't know if they asked for the same treatment "under law"

Q6
A, B and C cannot be supported at all and are thus incorrect
D - there is no mention of moderation. eliminate
E - This MUST BE TRUE since the author's recommendation is to HARMONIZE the two modes
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2. The passage suggests that the author of the passage believes which of the following?


Please guide me if I'm wrong..

Between C & E-

Last line of last para says-"If the individualist framework, with its claim for women's autonomy, could be harmonized with the family-oriented concerns of relational feminists, a more fruitful model for contemporary feminist politics could emerge"

Option C says-" A consensus concerning the direction of future feminist politics will probably soon emerge, given the awareness among feminists of the need for cooperation among women."

What I inferred is that the author is optimistic regarding new feministic policy(which is blend of both).

Option E says-"Relational feminism provides the best theoretical framework for contemporary feminist politics, but individualist feminism could contribute much toward refining and strengthening modern feminist thought."

Which I think is distortion of last line, as the author says the new feminist thought which he hopes may soon emerge is fruitful for contemp. pol., whereas the option says rel. fem. provides framework for contemp. pol. & Ind. fem. is refining & bla..bla.. is not mentioned in the passage.

You've correctly identified the piece of (C) that helps us eliminate that answer choice. Does saying in the passage that something could occur mean that the author believes it probably will occur?

Consider this example: I could stop eating doughnuts, which would be good for my health. Stating this fact, and even being optimistic about the potential health benefits of giving them up, doesn't mean I probably will stop eating doughnuts -- maybe I really love doughnuts. Maybe it's a family tradition to eat doughnuts every Sunday, and that is more important to me than the health benefits of giving them up. (Mmm... doughnuts. :tongue_opt2)

Similarly, the author saying that the two forms of feminism could merge with one another to create a new model doesn't mean that the author believes this probably will happen. The author is optimistic that IF this did come to pass, the result could be a "more fruitful model for contemporary feminist politics." That is different than being optimistic that the event actually will come to pass.

(C) is out for question #2.

For (E), the details in the answer choice do not align well with the information in the passage. In that last sentence, the author argues that the "individualist framework" could be harmonized with "the family-oriented concerns of relational feminists" to produce a more fruitful feminist model.

(E), on the other hand, states that "relational feminism provides the best theoretical framework for contemporary feminist politics."

This statement is not supported by the passage, so we cannot say that the author would agree with it. (E) is out.

Take another look at (D):
Quote:
(D) Political adversaries of feminism often misuse arguments predicated on differences between the sexes to argue that the existing social system should be maintained.

This is essentially a restatement of the first sentence of the last paragraph in the passage:
Quote:
Relational arguments have a major pitfall: because they underline women’s physiological and psychological distinctiveness, they are often appropriated by political adversaries and used to endorse male privilege.

(D) is the correct answer for question #2.

I hope that helps!
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Answered all the questions correct but took 13 mins to read and answer the RC

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