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Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming from a landed family.

(A) Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming

(B) Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come

(C) Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come

(D) It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister—Disraeli—who did not come

(E) It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming
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D is my choice.
IMO, A, B and C are wrong because in 'Until X from Y' X and Y are not parallel. Same problem in E. 'Only X and Y'. Comparing a year with a person is wrong.

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Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister not coming from a landed family.

A.
B. Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain has had not prime minister who has not come
C. Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister who has not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister-Disraeli-who did not come
E. It was only 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain has one of its prime minister not coming.

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A looks correct.

D should be wrong because "who" modifies "Disraeli" here instead of "prime minister"

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i agree with ASAF , I have never seen so many double negatives, the only one that I could even understand was D

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It's an official question with some tweaks. Please try and share your inputs.
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Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister not coming from a landed family.

A.
B. Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain has had not prime minister who has not come
C. Until 1868 from Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister who has not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister-Disraeli-who did not come
E. It was only 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain has one of its prime minister not coming.

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Answer : D

Answer D is correct because the B,C have tense mismatch while A has incorrect phrase in second part of sentence. Option E says the change occurred in Disraeli which is wrong.

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The point of this warped official question is to expound the use of double negatives. The core theme is that all PMs prior to Disraeli, who became the PM in 1868, came from landed gentry; Disraeli was the first one whose family did not own lands.
History aside, it is the dubious introductory remarks ‘Until 1868 from Disraeli’ that unseat A, B and C; it is not clear what the term ‘from’ stands for. It also may lead to an absurd meaning that all the PMs that GB had were from Disraeli.
We have to fall back on D and E now, but E is outright loser because of the murky structure
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It's an official question with some tweaks. Please try and share your inputs.


I appreciate the effort but I don't think we'd ever see a sentence like this on the GMAT. D is the only sentence here that makes sense and it's fairly obvious why.

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A: double negation
B: double negation + tense issue
C: tense issue
D: fine
E: wrong meaning (although technically correct) in parallelism (in 1868 and (in) Disraeli)

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Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister not coming from a landed family.

A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime minister not coming - until is used in the context of time ;The phrase …no prime minister not coming from… is confusing, as it doesn’t clearly convey the intended meaning that before Disraeli, all prime ministers of Great Britain came from landed families.
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain has had not prime minister who has not come -Use of past perfect tense verb had had is incorrect because the sentence talks about an event that took place till a certain point in time in the past.
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, Great Britain had no prime minister who has not come - same idiom error as in A and B ;
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister-Disraeli-who did not come - Correct
E. It was only 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain has one of its prime minister not coming. - Illogical meaning - Disraeli in this choice appears to be a place and not a person.

Answer D
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A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come
E. It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming

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Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming from a landed family.

A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come
E. It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming


The answer is a straight D. Herein lies the problem : When I'm trying to explain the errors to other members here, I'm unable to articulate them and that points me to having a gap in my understanding.

In A and B for e.g., The usage of until seems to be incorrect. Whatever follows until denotes a point in time, but Disraeli doesn't.
C has the relation pronoun modifier issue i.e. who seems to be modifying Great Britain.
E again is combining a year and Disraeli and that makes no sense.

SO we're left with D as the answer, but since my articulation of the errors is glossy at best, can an expert help with dissecting the sentences?
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Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming from a landed family.

A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come
E. It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming


The answer is a straight D. Herein lies the problem : When I'm trying to explain the errors to other members here, I'm unable to articulate them and that points me to having a gap in my understanding.

In A and B for e.g., The usage of until seems to be incorrect. Whatever follows until denotes a point in time, but Disraeli doesn't.
C has the relation pronoun modifier issue i.e. who seems to be modifying Great Britain.
E again is combining a year and Disraeli and that makes no sense.

SO we're left with D as the answer, but since my articulation of the errors is glossy at best, can an expert help with dissecting the sentences?



Hello akshayk,

Your analysis is correct. You have correctly pointed out the error related to the usage of the word until.

I am just elaborating the same a bit.

The word until is used in the context of time. It cannot be used with the name of a person (Disraeli) as we see in this sentence.

For instance, observe the following two sentences:

a. Until Abdul Kalam, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.
b. Until Abdul Kalam was made the leader of the Missile Development Program, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.

Sentence (a) uses until incorrectly, while sentence (b) correctly uses until to describe a point of time.

So yes, Choices A, B, and C are incorrect for the usage of until.

Hope this helps. :-)
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akshayk wrote:
saswata4s wrote:
Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming from a landed family.

A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come
E. It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming


The answer is a straight D. Herein lies the problem : When I'm trying to explain the errors to other members here, I'm unable to articulate them and that points me to having a gap in my understanding.

In A and B for e.g., The usage of until seems to be incorrect. Whatever follows until denotes a point in time, but Disraeli doesn't.
C has the relation pronoun modifier issue i.e. who seems to be modifying Great Britain.
E again is combining a year and Disraeli and that makes no sense.

SO we're left with D as the answer, but since my articulation of the errors is glossy at best, can an expert help with dissecting the sentences?



Hello akshayk,

Your analysis is correct. You have correctly pointed out the error related to the usage of the word until.

I am just elaborating the same a bit.

The word until is used in the context of time. It cannot be used with the name of a person (Disraeli) as we see in this sentence.

For instance, observe the following two sentences:

a. Until Abdul Kalam, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.
b. Until Abdul Kalam was made the leader of the Missile Development Program, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.

Sentence (a) uses until incorrectly, while sentence (b) correctly uses until to describe a point of time.

So yes, Choices A, B, and C are incorrect for the usage of until.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Thanks Shraddha :)
I should have a little more confidence next time I explain the 'until' issue to someone.
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akshayk wrote:
saswata4s wrote:
Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming from a landed family.

A. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had no prime ministers not coming
B. Until 1868 and Disraeli, Great Britain had had no prime ministers who have not come
C. Until Disraeli in 1868, there were no prime ministers in Great Britain who have not come
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come
E. It was only in 1868 and Disraeli that Great Britain had one of its prime ministers not coming


The answer is a straight D. Herein lies the problem : When I'm trying to explain the errors to other members here, I'm unable to articulate them and that points me to having a gap in my understanding.

In A and B for e.g., The usage of until seems to be incorrect. Whatever follows until denotes a point in time, but Disraeli doesn't.
C has the relation pronoun modifier issue i.e. who seems to be modifying Great Britain.
E again is combining a year and Disraeli and that makes no sense.

SO we're left with D as the answer, but since my articulation of the errors is glossy at best, can an expert help with dissecting the sentences?



Hello akshayk,

Your analysis is correct. You have correctly pointed out the error related to the usage of the word until.

I am just elaborating the same a bit.

The word until is used in the context of time. It cannot be used with the name of a person (Disraeli) as we see in this sentence.

For instance, observe the following two sentences:

a. Until Abdul Kalam, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.
b. Until Abdul Kalam was made the leader of the Missile Development Program, India hadn’t become self-sufficient in the development of ballistic missiles.

Sentence (a) uses until incorrectly, while sentence (b) correctly uses until to describe a point of time.

So yes, Choices A, B, and C are incorrect for the usage of until.

Hope this helps. :-)
Thanks.
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Can we also say that double negative in option A defeats the intended meaning?

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Could someone clarify if my following understanding is correct:
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come

"had" here is "simple past" of has and is not "past perfect"?
Disraeli became PM "after" 1868 (not before it) and therefore past perfect is not correct here.

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Can someone explain why C is wrong?

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Could someone clarify if my following understanding is correct:
D. It was not until 1868 that Great Britain had a prime minister - Disraeli - who did not come

"had" here is "simple past" of has and is not "past perfect"?
Disraeli became PM "after" 1868 (not before it) and therefore past perfect is not correct here.


Hi sevenplusplus ,

Yes, your understanding is correct. Here 'had' is not used as a past perfect tense.

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Can someone explain why C is wrong?


Hi pra1785 ,

Try to understand the meaning of the sentence.

It says Disraeli was the first prime minister who didn't come from from a landed family and this happened for the first time after 1868.

Let's talk about C.

Note that Until is used to denote the point of time.

For example: Until 2018, I will not be able to join Harvard Business School. :(

But C says Until some person. This is incorrect usage of until. Hence, C is incorrect.

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'D' is correct - This version correctly uses the idiomatic construction not until . . . that, and it correctly uses past tense throughout.
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Errors:
1) Until is a time marker and thus cannot be used with (just) a noun.
2) 'no prime ministers not coming from a landed family' means that all prime ministers before Disraeli were from a landed family.
This can be made more concise as the extra words do not add much value to the sentence as a whole.


A) Incorrect
B) Same errors and had had is a past perfect construction. The sentence is talking about a fact. The event that Great Britain had PMs coming from a landed family and the event that Disraeli was the first PM who did not come from the same background are not related (I think).
Sequencing is needed when Event 2 cannot happen without event 1 or event 1 will have to take place for event 2 to occur.

Another error here is the use of the wrong tense 'have not come'. It is just a fact and way in the past. Therefore I don't think we need to use this.

C) Same errors

D) Correct

E) Incorrect
It was only in 1868 and it was not until 1868 are different as they convey different meaning. According to the first one, the event took place IN 1868 but according to the second one, the event took place in 1868 or may be after that.

Also Disraeli here looks like a place. Not correct.


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