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Important points:
1. For DS questions we don't have to find exact value. We just need to check if we can find 1 unique answer
2. In geometry , don't ever assume 2 lines to be parallel until given and don't assume figure to be of a definite shape. In this question, for given figure QRTS might look like a parallelogram but don't assume it to be a parallelogram. ALso angle QTS can be calculated = 120 = angle QST. SO don''t assume angle TQR to be equal to angle TSR.

Now, we have 2 very important trigonometry formulas:

1. \(Cos C = \frac{a^2+b^2-c^2}{2ab}\)
2. \(\frac{a}{Sin A} = \frac{b}{Sin B} = \frac{c}{Sin C}\)


where a,b and c are sides of the triangle and A,B and C are angles of triangle opposite to sides a,b and c respectively. That is , there are 6 variables

Do we have to remember the formula. Not as such. Using the above 2 formulas we can calculate all angels and all sides if we know 3 variables. Thus we can say :

Rule: If we know any 3 variables out of these 6 variables we can calculate all the remaining variables. Only exception is that all the known variables cannot be all angles. We need measure of at least 1 side

(You can try to verify the rule :P )

So now lets come back to the question:

What is the perimeter of PQRS ?
(1) x = 30 degree
(2) w= 45 degree

What we have to find : PQ+QR+RS+TS+PT. we already know value of PT and TS from figure. So we have to find remaining sides: PQ+QR+RS
Before moving to given statements lets try to find out what can we conclude from given figure:

1. Triangle PQT : we know 1 angle and 2 sides => we can calculate all sides and all angles of the triangle. So now we know measure of PQ, angle P and angle PQT
2. Triangle QTS : we can calculate angle QTS = 120. So now we know 2 sides and 1 angle of the triangle , thus we can calculate remaining variables. So know the value of QS, angle TQS and angle TSQ
3. Triangle QRS : we know 1 angle QRS and 1 side QS. here we need at least 1 more variable to find the remaining variables.

So now lets move to given data:

Statement 1 : x = 30 degree.
As we can calculate angle x using the above method, this statement doesn't give us any additional information. Also we need information in triangle QRS to calculate QR and RS.
Not suffiicent

Statement 2 : w = 45 degree.
As w = 45 degree, we can calculate angle QSR.
Angle QSR = W - angle QST
So now for triangle QRS we know value of 3 variables, QS, angle QRS and angle QSR, thus we can calculate QR, RS and angle SQR.

Hence we got the value of all the sides of the given figure.
Sufficient

Answer: B
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What is the perimeter of PQRS ?

(1) x = 30 degree
(2) w= 45 degree

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Statement 1:
Since x is 30, triangle PQT becomes a 30-60-90 triangle, hence PQ = √3
However, we cannot find the lengths of QR or RS since QTSR is not necessarily a parallelogram
Note: though the opposite angles R and angle QTS are 120 each, its not enough to conclude its a parallelogram
This is because there can be multiple positions of R where the value of the angle will be 120. In these cases, the lengths of R and RS will be different (the diagram below explains why):

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Thus, it is not sufficient


Statement 2:

Since we know that angle RSP is 45, we can drop the perpendicular from Q on PS as shown in the diagram below:

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Triangle QXT is 30-60-90 => We can determine QX (= √3) and TX (= 1) implying that P must overlap with X
Thus, PQ = √3

In QTSR: Three angles are: R = 120, S = 45 (given), angle QTS = 180-60 = 120
Thus, the 4th angle is angle RQT = 75
Also, the sides QT and TS are given. So, the quadrilateral is defined and unique.

Why: Start by drawing QT = 2. Make an angle of 120 at T and draw TS = 3. At S, draw angle TSN = 45 and at Q, draw angle MQT = 75
These lines QM and SN will now meet at R => We have defined quadrilateral QTSR
Thus, the lengths of QR and RS are defined
=> Perimeter of PQRS is defined

Thus, statement 2 is sufficient

Answer B
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Re: What is the perimeter of PQRS ? (1) x = 30 degree (2) w= 45 degree [#permalink]
I am very confused here, most of the solutions are answering the wrong quesitons i.e. can you find the perimeter of the shape PQRS. that is not the question the question is what is the perimeter i.e. given the info provided can you find the answer, in this case can you find the legnths of PQ, QR, RS. With out using trigronmentry you can not find QR or RS ( PQ can be solved for using triangle properties) so E should be OA.

Bunuel please help
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I am very confused here, most of the solutions are answering the wrong quesitons i.e. can you find the perimeter of the shape PQRS. that is not the question the question is what is the perimeter i.e. given the info provided can you find the answer, in this case can you find the legnths of PQ, QR, RS. With out using trigronmentry you can not find QR or RS ( PQ can be solved for using triangle properties) so E should be OA.

Bunuel please help


From Official Guide:

The data sufficiency problem consists of a question and two statements, labeled (1) and (2), in which certain data are given. You have to decide whether the data given in the statements are sufficient for answering the question. ...


So, for a data sufficiency problem, you should decide whether the data given in the statements are enough for answering the question, you don't have to actually solve and get the answer...

For example, consider this DS, I just made up:

If n is a positive integer, what is the \(n^{th}\) prime number ?

(1) \(n = 1,000,001\)
(2) \((n - 1)^{th}\) prime number is 1,5485,863

The answer to the above question is D: EACH statement ALONE is sufficient to answer the question asked. Because knowing the value of n, it's possible to get the answer and knowing that 15485863 is \((n - 1)^{th}\) prime, it's possible to get the next prime. But I don't think anyone can possibly know or calculate during the exam that 1,000,001st prime is 1,5485,867 or that the next prime after 1,5485,863 is actually 1,5485,867.

Hope it helps.
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Re: What is the perimeter of PQRS ? (1) x = 30 degree (2) w= 45 degree [#permalink]
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momonmoprob wrote:
I understand now that under statement two, we can prove that all the lines are fixed. But how would we go about finding the actual lengths of QR and RS?

Do we just accept it as a rule that if you know all of the angles of a quadrilateral and the length of two of its sides, you could calculate the lengths of its other two sides?


In quadrilateral TQRS, angle Y = angle R = 120 degrees
angle W = 45 degrees

Sum of all 4 angles of a quad = 360 = 120 + 120 + 45 + angle TQR

Angle TQR = 45 degrees.

So the angles are 45, 45, 120, 120. The opposite angles are equal so this is a parallelogram.

So QR is parallel and equal to TS.
TS = 3 = QR

Also, QT is parallel and equal to RS
QT = 2 = RS


Hey Karishma B, as per calculations(360-240-45=75) angle TQR will be 75, not 45, hence quad TQRS is not parallelogram, then how can we determine sides QR and RS ?
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Re: What is the perimeter of PQRS ? (1) x = 30 degree (2) w= 45 degree [#permalink]
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momonmoprob wrote:
I understand now that under statement two, we can prove that all the lines are fixed. But how would we go about finding the actual lengths of QR and RS?

Do we just accept it as a rule that if you know all of the angles of a quadrilateral and the length of two of its sides, you could calculate the lengths of its other two sides?


In quadrilateral TQRS, angle Y = angle R = 120 degrees
angle W = 45 degrees

Sum of all 4 angles of a quad = 360 = 120 + 120 + 45 + angle TQR

Angle TQR = 45 degrees.

So the angles are 45, 45, 120, 120. The opposite angles are equal so this is a parallelogram.

So QR is parallel and equal to TS.
TS = 3 = QR

Also, QT is parallel and equal to RS
QT = 2 = RS




Hi, angle TQR will be 75 right and not 45? otherwise it will not total up to 360. My question is that after finding the 4 angles, we can find QS by using cos 120 formula, but how will we calculate QR and RS from the given info?
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