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What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed?
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dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps.
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Could you plz explain this :
so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64 times
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sag wrote: Could you plz explain this :
so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64 times
Thanks & Regards Total such numbers = 4^4 = 256. 1/4 of these numbers, or 64 numbers, will have units digit of 1; another 1/4 will have the units digit of 2; another 1/4 will have the units digit of 3; and the last 1/4 will have the units digit of 4. The same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. Hope it's clear.
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Agreed. These are powerful formulas but the concept behind it should be understood before roting them.
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Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong.



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gauravsoni wrote: Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong. The range of the numbers do vary from 1111 to 4444 inclusive, and there are only 264 different numbers altogether formed. however, what do you mean by the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 is not clear. The formula as given when repetition is allowed is pretty simple : n^{n1}*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Here, n^{n1} : the no of times each digit appear at each place needs to be multiplied by sum (of the digits) as all the digits take that place multiplied by 111... upto n times  to finally find the value at each place You could see the manner in which the total sum could be arrived at with the formula. Hope it helps. Press kudos if you wish to appreciate



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gauravsoni wrote: Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong. All the numbers which are formed lies between 1111 and 4444 but it does not include all numbers from 1111 to 4444. For example, 1235 will not be formed as we have only 1,2,3,4 to choose from. Thus, we can't use the formula of arithmetic mean. Hope it clears your doubt!! Kudos if it does!!!



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gauravsoni wrote: Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong. Yes, the numbers range from 1111 to 4444: 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1121, 1121, ..., 4444. But the numbers are NOT evenly spaced so you cannot get the sum by multiplying the mean by the number of terms. Does this make sense?
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Bunuel wrote: Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong. Yes, the numbers range from 1111 to 4444: 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1121, 1121, ..., 4444. But the numbers are NOT evenly spaced so you cannot get the sum by multiplying the mean by the number of terms. Does this make sense?[/quote] Ah yes , got it thanks.



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dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps.[/quote] Hi Bunuel, Can we say that the sum of the numbers will be 1111 to 4444 ? since the repetition of the digits are allowed. I think this range would cover all the numbers. Then we can simply use the formula for arithmetic mean to calculate the sum ? Please correct my thinking if wrong.[/quote] Yes, the numbers range from 1111 to 4444: 1111, 1112, 1113, 1114, 1121, 1121, ..., 4444. But the numbers are NOT evenly spaced so you cannot get the sum by multiplying the mean by the number of terms. Does this make sense?[/quote] I am no Math Expert. Can you please correct my below approach? We know the smallest number we can make is 1111 and the largest number we can make is 4444. We also know that our numbers will be evenly distributed in the middle (i. e. 1112 is balanced by 4443; 1113 is balanced by 4442). So, we can solve using the average formula. Finally, we know that there are 4*4*4*4 = 256 numbers in our set. Average = sum of terms/# of terms sum of terms = average * # of terms sum of terms = (1111+4444)/2 * 256 = 5555/2 * 256 = 5555*128 = 711040
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Bunuel wrote: dimitri92 wrote: I am sorry I don't have the OA. But I think it is solvable without the OA
What is the sum of all 4digit numbers that can be formed using the digits 1,2,3,4 where repetition of digits is allowed? As each digit of four digit number (abcd) can take 4 options (1, 2, 3, 4) total there can be 4^4 numbers. Obviously each digit (a, b, c, and d) will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4 equal number of times, so each digit will take the value of 1, 2, 3, 4  \(\frac{4^4}{4}=4^3=64\) times: units digit will take the values of 1, 2, 3, 4  64 times and the same with tens, hundreds, thousands digits. So the sum would be 64*(1+2+3+4)+64*10*(1+2+3+4)+64*100*(1+2+3+4)+64*1000*(1+2+3+4)=64*10*(1+10+100+1000)=711040. Actually there is the direct formula for this kind of problems. Of course it's better to understand the concept, then to memorize the formula but in case someone is interested here it is: 1. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits without repetition is: (n1)!*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). 2. Sum of all the numbers which can be formed by using the \(n\) digits ( repetition being allowed) is: \(n^{n1}\)*(sum of the digits)*(111…..n times). Hope it helps. Did you mean "1111"? (highlighted in red)



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Here is an alternative solution that you can compute easily on the GMAT if given this question:
First, note that the smallest number you can make is 1111, the largest is 4444. It is reasonable to conclude that the average of all the combinations of digits (1,2,3,4) very close to the average of 1111+4444, which is 5555/2.
Next, compute the possibilities: 4*4*4*4 = 16*16 = 256 (memorize this). 4*4*4*4.
Now all you have to do is compute 256 * 5555 / 2.



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At 1000nds place 4,3 2,1 can all come likewise at 100th ,10th and unit place also all of it can come 1000(4+3+2+1)+100(4+3+2+1)+10(4+3+2+1)+1(4+3+2+1)=11110 ans



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