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Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers, after 1897 the United Mine Workers made a determined effort to enlist Italian and Slavs in its ranks.

(A) Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting

(B) Where once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members' prejudice for the support of

(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of

(D) While once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members' prejudice in supporting

(E) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in its supporting of

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Hey All,

I wanted to weigh in on this one, though people are saying a lot of the right things, to make one clear point:

People keep saying "Where once" is BETTER than "while once". This is not the issue. "While once" means NOTHING. It is not an idiom. It is 100% wrong. You can't say "While once..." with ANYTHING after it. It's wrong. "Where once" is an odd English idiom, by which I mean there's no good reason we decided "where once" could start a sentence in which we're describing how things used to be one way and then changed, but that's how it is. "While once" doesn't mean anything.

Hope that puts this issue to rest! : )

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IMO A

Where is better than while, I think, because while describes a continuous action, but here in the context, this is an momentary action



Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers, after 1897 the United Mine Workers made a determined effort to enlist Italians and Slavs in its ranks.
(A) Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting -->best. Where is correct. past perfect tense also appropriate describes an action happened before another action in the past. The original meaning is: The union supported the imposition of tax ... to acquiesce to the prejudices of its ...
(B) Where once the union acquiesced to it English-speaking members’ prejudice for the support of --> past simple is not good enough. Besides, this choice means that the union agrees to the prejudice that it will support the imposition of tax ... --> distorting original meaning
(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of -->while is flawed, same distorted meaning as B
(D) While once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members’ prejudice in supporting -->same errors as C's. Past tense is also flawed
(E) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in its supporting of -->same errors as C's. Besides, in its supporting of is more wordy

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hi,
i feel the usage of where is not wrong here....
and what stands out in favour of A is the usage of 'by supporting'...
ask a ques' how had the union acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members?'
and the ans would be 'the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting[/u] the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers' and not in supporting...
only A follows it
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The question is whether ‘while’ is used as a time - marker or as a contrast - marker. IMO, ‘while’ is used as a contrast - marker in the context, meaning ‘whereas’. Of course in A, the word ‘where’ may be used literarily to mark contrast, but that usage is still vulnerable to criticism of ambiguity.

But the clincher in A is the use of the dynamic phrase, ‘by supporting’, a subtly superior expression compared to the use of ‘in support of’ in C; the acquiescence itself results by supporting rather than in the support.

Of course, this is skating on too thin ice. All the same, we have to accept A as the choice.
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Reading the ext, we can surmise that
1. The union succumbed to the pressure of the English speaking members.
2. The English speaking members wanted no alien workers to enter and so they pressured the union to impose a tax on alien immigrants other than English-speaking
3. Still, after 1897, the United Mine workers wanted to enlist alien workers such as the Italians and the Slavs
You can see that there does exist a contrast in the context. 'While' does indicate this element in this topic IMO.

That said, choice C which uses the appropriate past perfect tense to describe an earlier phenomenon of the two events and which uses the forthright expression ‘in support of’ rather than the wordy in ‘its supporting of’ is a clear winner.

The use of ‘where’ in the place of ‘while’ is acceptable, I suppose, if some one is writing poetry, in which one can get away with anything under a poetic license
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I have a doubt here abt the past perfect tense used in C.

the word 'after 1987' clearly shows what took place before it. so we know 'the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members’ prejudice ' happened before.
why do we need a past perfect tense here then?
Someone please clarify.
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According to me, construction of the word support is the crucial factor in this sentence. Option B, D, and E have awkward constructions: for the support of, in supporting, and in its supporting of respectively.

Therefore, we can shortlist A and C.

Now, closer scrutiny of option C reveals that ‘the prejudices were regarding to the imposition of the align taxes ( acquiesced to the prejudices in support of)’… whereas the sentence suggests that support to the impositions of taxes is the action taken by the union, hence, “acquiesced to the prejudice by supporting taxes” is the correct expression.

Moreover, if we reverse the first part of the sentence, before the comma, then Option C becomes “In support of imposition of taxes, the union had acquiesced to the prejudices”. This construction becomes awkward. It should be – to support/by supporting the imposition of taxes, the union agreed to the prejudices. We have one of the correct expressions in “A”.

Also, "while" is normally used to show the contrast, which is not there in the sentence. I have no idea about whether, “where” is correct or not but “while” is definitely wrong here.

On the basis all above mentioned information, The answer should be “A”
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Yes. Although the use of ‘by supporting’ is more forthright as far as usage is concerned, all that good work is lost by the inappropriate use of ‘where’. To break a classical rule that where is used to refer to a place, is weird; In that case, why do we need that rule at all or when will we ever use that rule? Rules are evolved to be followed and not to be broken at will.

According to the dictionary, ‘Whereas’ is the correct synonym for ‘while’. The contrast of one accepting something and another going against it is more than explicit in the text. To say that a contrast does not exist is not acceptable. A is a mismatch solely because of this lacuna.

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'Where' in this case refers to a 'place in time' i.e. 'Whereas in the past the union had...'-would be the longer construction of this sentence. That's the reason where can be used in this sentence and is correct.
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Hi All,

could someone please explain the use of where in the beginning of sentence compared to while and why is that wrong here?

I thought of C


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Hi All,

could someone please explain the use of where in the beginning of sentence compared to while and why is that wrong here?

I thought of C


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same question, please explain


(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of bold part is the problem..try to read in the context of the whole sentence and compare with option A.You should get better clarity...
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Hi Experts,
Can someone explain this sentence please? Usage of "Where" in this case doesnt seem to be consistent with explanation in most of the books.
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Can someone explain this sentence please? Usage of "Where" in this case doesnt seem to be consistent with explanation in most of the books.


Since Where is followed by Once, it can indicate a particular point in time.

While means when something was happening at the same time.

Title of a poem by H.P. Lovecraft --> "In a Sequester’d Providence Churchyard Where Once Poe Walk’d"

(meaning at one point in the past)
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The only possible answer is A. One quick way to see that is to look at the ends of the choices. The only choice with a modifier that is both valid and unambiguous is A. The union acquiesced to the prejudices of its members. How? By supporting the tax. We might try to make a case for "in supporting," but it doesn't make the meaning clear. Since "in" could modify "prejudice(s)," C and D could be read to mean that only the English-speaking members, and not the union itself, supported the tax. E tries to fix the problem by saying "its supporting," it just doesn't make sense to say that the union "acquiesced in its supporting." B is out of the question, since "for supporting" doesn't work with "acquiesced" at all.

As for "where," there are some valid ways to use "where" without referring to a place. (Almost every rule of grammar or usage has one or more exceptions!) This is exactly one of those cases. It actually works better than "while" when we are trying to show change over time. Since "while" can also be used to refer to simultaneous events, it can be confusing to use "while" to contrast different time frames. In such cases, the idiom "where once" provides a good alternative.
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Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers, after 1897 the United Mine Workers made a determined effort to enlist Italians and Slavs in its ranks.


"Where" should only refer to a place IMO. So A and B are out.

E is awkward. From C and D, C looks good, but IMO we don't require "had" as we have a specified time "1897"

D is passive.

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(A) Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting

(B) Where once the union acquiesced to it English-speaking members’ prejudice for the support of

(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of

(D) While once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members’ prejudice in supporting

(E) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in its supporting of
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Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting the imposition of an alien tax on immigrant workers, after 1897 the United Mine Workers made a determined effort to enlist Italians and Slavs in its ranks.


"Where" should only refer to a place IMO. So A and B are out.

E is awkward. From C and D, C looks good, but IMO we don't require "had" as we have a specified time "1897"

D is passive.

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(A) Where once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members by supporting

(B) Where once the union acquiesced to it English-speaking members’ prejudice for the support of

(C) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in support of

(D) While once the union acquiesced to its English-speaking members’ prejudice in supporting

(E) While once the union had acquiesced to the prejudices of its English-speaking members in its supporting of


Though often used to indicate a place, it is not necessary that "where" must refer to a place only. e.g. Where do you stand on this question? (talks about position or circumstance)
A better way to contrast would be "whereas" but we don't have that option.

Where once the union had acquiesced... by supporting the imposition of ...
While once the union had acquiesced ... in support of the imposition of ...

One can acquiesce by supporting the plan.. - correct
or one can acquiesce in the plan... - correct

"acquiesce in support of the plan" is not logical. Hence (C) is not correct.

Of the given options, answer would be (A)

P.S. - When you talk about two distinct past periods/points in time, you use past perfect. If the exact sequence before/after/dates etc are mentioned, you MAY skip the use of past perfect but its use is not incorrect.
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