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Option D contains "have" at the end of the underlined part ... the subject of the "have " is population ...which is singular ..hence it is wrong ....the sentence must contain "has" rather than "have"

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the question is testing misplaced modifier.
"With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting" is supposed to modify the deers population, not New Jersey or the official.So, it(the modifier) must have "deers" next to it.
Remember the rule for noun modifier: the modifier must touch the noun it modifies.

A. modifies wildlife officials
B. modifies estimate
C. modifies the deer population
D. modifies New Jersey
E. modifies wildlife officials

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The clue hers is to know what or which or who dose not have natural predators. Wildlife officials can not have predators, so dump A, B and E. New Jersey, a place also can not have predators. So drop D. What is left is C, indicating logically that the deer population has no natural predators and that is the obvious choice
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With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000

A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has
C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

Why is C better than D? Please explain.



D is changed the importance of " with expanse of green.." as reason & "Without natural predators and no hunting allowed" is awkward.

modification to the deer population in new jersey seems appropriation
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Hi All, This question confuses me. The OA is C but doesn't it contain a double negative??

Q:With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000

A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has
C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

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This is a straight modifier problem. In one shot, you can find out what does not hve natural predators. Is it A) wild life officials B) wildlife officials' estimate C) the deer population D) New Jersey or E) the wildlife officials. It is clear only the deer population can have no natural predators. Therefore, C is the instant choice.
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Answer (C) is not a case of the double negative. Each ‘no’ occurs in different dependent clauses. The first ‘no’ relates to the absence of natural predators and the second ‘no’ relates to the absence of hunting.

As for the explanation, daagh does a very succinct job of explaining the modifier problem.
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Is it OK to disregard B on the basis of the usage of "the jazz pianist and composer"? It looks like Thelonious Monk is the only jazz pianist & composer....is this logic wrong?
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Answer is D .As explained already idiom should be both in X and in Y or it should be both X and Y.Hence B is wrong .
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Thelonious Monk,who was a jazz pianist and composer,produced a body of work both rooted in the stride-piano tradition of Willie(The Lion)Smith and Duke Ellington,yet in many ways he stood apart from the mainstream jazz repertory.

A)Thelonious Monk,who was a jazz pianist and composer,produced a body of work both rooted --- Both X and Y should be used where as there is no mentioning of Y

B)Thelonious Monk,the jazz pianist and composer,produced a body of work that was rooted both ---Both X and Y should be used where as there is no mentioning of Y; the jazz

c)Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk,who produced a body of work rooted --- the body was not rooted but the work was rooted

d)Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work that was rooted --- Both is not used and work is rooted and not the body of someone

e)Jazz pianist and composer Thelonious Monk produced a body of work rooted both -- Both X and Y should be used where as there is no mentioning of Y
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Answer is D .As explained already idiom should be both in X and in Y or it should be both X and Y.Hence B is wrong .


I understand the idiom. But my point is, even if the idiom was used correctly, the statement would not sound right to my ears.
First, usage of the article 'the' before the words 'pianist &..'. It implies he is the only one. Now, if we remove the article, that statement looks awkward and hence those adjectives have to be moved just before the noun that they are modifying and this is what is done in D.
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We can solve this in under 10 seconds if we look at the inital phrase. In every option except C there are refering errors

A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that donot allow hunting, wildlife officails' estimate of deer population in New Jersey has
C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the Deer Population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanses of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighbourhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

I do not care about how the first part is written ("Without VS With no" etc...), about the grammar, but I know that this part refers to the deer population. Only C has this correct counstruct.
Take E for instance, it says that wildlife officials have no natural predators and so on... this is logically incorrect
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With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000.

A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have
B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that donot allow hunting, wildlife officails' estimate of deer population in new Jersey has
C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the Deer Population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has
D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanses of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have
E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighbourhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

There is a subject verb agreement issue at the end of the sentence. the population is singular so we need has - this eliminates A and D. B, C and D all have the same type of modifier so the way the begining is worded is not at issue adn teh different between without and with no is an issue of style, not grammar. B says that the officials estimate as grown, not the deer population so it changes the meaning and is wrong. In E the begining phrase modifies wildlife officials, not the deer population so E is wrong and C is hte best answer.
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Can you please answer my query : in choice "C" what is "wildlife officials estimate" functioning as? Modifier? Modifying what? What kind of modifier?

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Good question.
I discarded choice C because of this ", wildlife officials estimate,", but now it looks it was correct. But I do not understand why :)


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"wildlife officials estimate" is clause modifier (because it has both subject and verb).

Note: Modifiers are words, phrases, or clauses that provide description in sentences.

In this question, the clause "wildlife officials estimate" plays as noun modifier. The clause modifies "the deer population". To make sure let ask what wildlife official estimate? Absolutely, they estimate the deer population.

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The answer to this question is definitely not clear. Why is D not correct? Can someone who has got this correct can please explain this .. will help all of us!


"without natural preditors" is a modifier and as written, it modifies New Jersey, which is incorrect.

In C deer can have green expanses where hunting is not allowed therefore this is an appropriate modifier
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With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000


A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have

B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has

C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has

D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have

E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

In this question I got stuck between C and D ,

Choice C says --> The deer population with no natural predators led to increase deer's population

While D says ---> New Jersey Without Natural predators led to increase deer population because there are no predators to feed on deer in New jersey .

So both meant the same , but I eliminated C for some other reason .

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With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey,
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wildlife officials estimate : Independent Clause ,Which has been joined with other I.C

(subject) (verb)

But OA is C :

Is my logic of neglecting C wrong ;I have never seen such type construction anywhere but have seen such construction with some preposition , verb+ed ,or verb+ing modifier .Hence, I thought that the above construction is I.C and neglected it .

Have I overthought it or this is also a possible construction .

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D seems to suggest that New Jersey does not have natural predators; the intent is to convey that the deer population does not have natural predators. Also, D does not seem to be very clear in meaning:

Without natural predators and (without) no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods?

A better construct would have been:

Without natural predators and with no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods... (though problem mentioned above about New Jersey would still have remained).

By the way, If C was:

With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials estimate that the deer population in New Jersey has grown to exceed 175,000

Again this would have suggested that wildlife officials have no natural predators : )
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With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have grown to exceed 175,000


A. With no natural predators and expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that allow no hunting, wildlife officials estimate the New Jersey deer population to have

B. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods that do not allow hunting, wildlife officials' estimate of the deer population in New Jersey has

C. With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has

D. Without natural predators and no hunting allowed in expanse of green suburban neighborhoods, New Jersey has a deer population that wildlife officials estimate to have

E. Without natural predators and with expanses of green neighborhoods where there is no hunting, wildlife officials in New Jersey estimate a deer population that has

In this question I got stuck between C and D ,

Choice C says --> The deer population with no natural predators led to increase deer's population

While D says ---> New Jersey Without Natural predators led to increase deer population because there are no predators to feed on deer in New jersey .

So both meant the same , but I eliminated C for some other reason .

In C :

With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey,
Quote:
wildlife officials estimate
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wildlife officials estimate : Independent Clause ,Which has been joined with other I.C

(subject) (verb)

But OA is C :

Is my logic of neglecting C wrong ;I have never seen such type construction anywhere but have seen such construction with some preposition , verb+ed ,or verb+ing modifier .Hence, I thought that the above construction is I.C and neglected it .

Have I overthought it or this is also a possible construction .

Thanks, Deepak


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Hi Deepak,

Thanks for posting your question here :-)

Meaning is the key to solve this one.

According to wildlife official estimate, deer population in New Jersey has grown to exceed 175,000/ What is the reason for this growth? There are two reasons mentioned in the sentence.
1. Deer in New Jersey have no natural predators.
2. Deer have expanses of green suburban neighborhood where hunting is not allowed.
Both these factors account for increase in the number of deer in New Jersey.

However, the opening modifiers in all the answer choices, except for Choice D, refer to the incorrect entity.

Now let's come to Choice C the construction of which has confused you:

Choice C: With no natural predators and with expanses of green suburban neighborhoods where there is no hunting, the deer population in New Jersey, wildlife officials estimate, has

One way to understand this structure is to understand the role of this clause "wildlife official estimate". What is it that they have estimated? They have estimated the deer population in New Jersey. So in essence, "wildlife official estimate" acts as a noun modifier that refers to "the deer population in New Jersey".

Look at the following example:
I will have the pizza I usually order.

This sentence may also appear to be having two independent clauses. But that is not the case. The clause "I usually order" actually modifies "the pizza". The sentence can be written as:
I will have the pizza that I usually order.

Something similar is happening in Choice C of this official question. So the clause "wildlife officials estimate" is not an independent clause but a dependent clause and hence does not lead to fragment error.

Hope this helps. :-)
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A is ackward

B seems that the estimate itself has grown

C Keep

D after a long modifier what is follow must be the subject: in this case cannot be New Jersey

E Same as D

C wins......no doubt. Is tricky this one I think near 700 level for sure is in the upper level range
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The answer to this question is definitely not clear. Why is D not correct? Can someone who has got this correct can please explain this .. will help all of us!


"without natural preditors" is a modifier and as written, it modifies New Jersey, which is incorrect.

In C deer can have green expanses where hunting is not allowed therefore this is an appropriate modifier


I'm now between C and D.
I don't get why it is incorrect to modify "New Jersey" with "without natural predators". It just says that New Jersey does not have any predators and on top of that hunting is not allowed in New Jersey expanses.
Is there no other reason why C is OA?

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