Dear folks, while I took some time I have finally completed the first milestone on my way to the MBA dream. To make sure I had a verified score I had to wait a couple of days with my debrief. I took the GMAT on Monday (2nd of July) and scored a 730 (Q47/V44/IR7). Without this community, this score would not have been even remotely possible. Readers interested in the cold, hard facts please just skip the next paragraph, I feel a little bit like a kid who got drafted into the NBA. Before going into the nitty-gritty details of my preparation and the experience on test day I want to use the opportunity to say thank you to a couple of members; ScottTargetTestPrep - Without your programme, I would probably still have a quant score 30s. Thank you for creating TTP and for being very honest in your initial assessment concerning the effort necessary to achieve my target score. GMATNinja - Sir, you are truly the Bunuel of the verbal section and I think there is no higher compliment to give here on Gmatclub. nightblade354 , billionaire , MikeScarn , hazelnut Thank you guys for your opinions, support and guidance along the way. I am always happy to see familiar faces on the chat, also I started to slowly feel cornered by "gang green". bb - Thanks for creating this amazing place! Brief information regarding my background; I am a 26yo guy from Germany who is working with numbers on a daily basis in the office but still has quite a poor foundation when it comes to high school quant skills. While English is not my native language, I spend some month living in the US, CA and UAE respectively did my undergrad in English and work on international projects frequently. This is not to tell you how great I am (trust me I am not ) but rather to point out that I am no wunderkind but rather that I have been exposed to the English language to a higher degree than the average German test taker. History of my GMAC prep tests (I took no diagnostic test before preparing): 27.05.2018 34Q / 42V / 630 07.06.2018 35Q / 46V / 660 18.07.2018 42Q / 41V / 680 I switched jobs departments after a promotion towards the end of last year. While the new job is very exciting and international, lots of travel really impaired my strive towards the Gmat, therefore there is quite a considerable gap between my prep tests. 20.06.2019 46Q / 40V / 700 26.06.2019 46Q / 45V / 730 - This one got me quite happy and confident, especially as I was aware that I miss clicked on one Quant question that I could have solved. 29.06.2019 42Q / 44V / 710 - This one scared the living hell out of me and was a big warning not to get complacent. I made sure to devote additional time into the review of my TTP material afterwards. Test Day Experience Verbal : I had as bad of a start into the big day as one could imagine. Due to very high temperatures over the course of the entire weekend, my room had a temperature of around 30 degrees celsius even at night and I got about 4-5 hours of sleep the nights prior to my test. However, I tried to compensate by gobbling up as much healthy food as I could get my hands on. I read somewhere that almonds, walnuts and kiwi would stimulate brain activity so I ate tons of these things in the hopes to make up for my lack of sleep. The test centre was located in my hometown and I got there around half an hour early and took the obligatory photo and hand scan. While the people in the test centre were super friendly, the workers at the nearby construction site were less understanding of my need for a quiet test environment. So I started my test sleep-deprived to the sounds of jackhammers which were slightly dulled by the headphones the test centre provided. I went for the following test order: Verbal - Quant - IR - AWA. As I am much more confident in my verbal abilities I wanted to make sure I started out with this section to build my confidence back up. While it felt like the test started off well and I was in a good flow, my pace was entirely off. I noticed that I had about 30 minutes left while I was working on question #26. After a brief shock, I tried to make the most of the generous time buffer which I had given myself involuntarily and tried to really reason my way through every question as detailed I as could. While I certainly do not recommend this approach, I at least had the feeling that I did pretty good on the last 10 questions. The reading passages seemed quite alright and the topics were mostly focused around science and history/politics. In general, the passages were not as convoluted and difficult to understand as some of the RCs I have encountered from some prep companies. The questions were mostly focusing on general concepts and the relation of certain statements to the overall passage or the author's opinion. As far as I remember I was not asked to simply restate details at all. Among the topics tested in the verbal section, I felt like SC was of a little higher difficulty than what I was expecting based on my Gmatprep tests. If I would have to categorize, I would say that most of the questions based on grammar were a little on the easier side. However, I encountered quite a few questions which were very focused on subtle differences in meaning. For all those who are aiming to score in the 40s on the verbal section, I would, therefore, recommend having an additional look at meaning-based questions as I feel like you guys are going to encounter a couple of tricky ones on the test. Most CR question felt quite manageable, also due to the strategies provided in the great guide written by Nightblade which I will link later in the resource section of this debrief. The questions where a good mix of Strengthen, Weaken, Assumption and Boldface, nothing seemed very unexpected or out of the ordinary. As I slowed down my pace on later third of the test substantially I only finished about 5 min. early despite being far to fast at the beginning of the section. Quant This was the part I was super afraid off. During the break, prior to quant I devoured as many almonds and walnuts as possible and went through the one or other concept in my head. It started off with many questions that were asking for X in terms of Y and so on. Furthermore, there were many questions on Geometry (mainly triangles and rectangular solids, I encountered nothing about circles.) The latter part of the test had a lot of tricky number property questions, mainly in the DS format. Moreover, I saw 1-2 questions that asked for the evaluation of relatively complex graphical information, that was something I was not really expecting. I had a decent feeling about my performance in this section despite having guessed on 3 questions I did not really comprehend. I have to thank TTP, without their programme my quant score would have likely been ten points lower. IR This felt quite a bit harder than in the prep tests. I think I might have been a little overconfident after I had scored two 8´s on my latest prep test with minimal preparation. While the graphs were relatively straightforward, some of the text and visualizations I encountered threw me off a little bit. In conclusion, I recommend to be a little smarter than me and at least put 1-2 hours into preparing for the different types of texts/graphs you might encounter. AWA I did not prepare for this section apart from reading the most popular guide on Gmat Club: https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-get-6 ... ml#p470475 I tried to keep the structure that is mentioned in the guide in mind and pretty much just went with the flow. A few thoughts on my Quant preparation : This was the dreaded topic for me. While Verbal always seemed to click, I managed to score as low as an 8 (yes, I did not forget to attach a digit) on one of my Gmatclub quant tests. While I have never been bad at quantitative subjects in particular, I severely lacked in the quant fundamentals one would usually pick-up between 10th and 12th grade in high school. Initially, I tried solving as many problems as I could find and thought brushing up on the concepts would be enough. After 2 months of “studying” this way, I managed to lift my quant scores from the low 30s into the mid/high 30s that was still miles away from the score I needed to achieve a 700+. At this point in time, I purchased a subscription to a prep company (not TTP) to address my weaknesses in a more structured way. While their curriculum was not bad, it did not help me at all, as it addressed many of the more advanced concepts I did not understand yet. Furthermore, there was little focus on the very basics of what makes up the GMAT quant section, which was exactly where I was struggling. TTP to the rescue: I was already quite frustrated with my progress in Quant (or lack thereof) when I reached out to ScottTargetTestPrep . We had a lengthy phone conversation and Scott was pretty honest in his assessment and told me that I would likely take more than a month to really address my weaknesses. TTP is a very detailed and comprehensive program. The topics covered on the GMAT are split into different lessons that all comprise a theory part and subsequent tests to make sure the student can apply the concepts. The interface is nicely designed and has an analytics section that allows for a very detailed overview of topics, mistake types and even mistake reasons. I would highly recommend to follow the curriculum and maintain your error types/reasons to utilize the program to its full effect. As the program covers a lot of topics in detail, one does need a consistent time commitment to make sure there is noticeable progress. If you can only commit 1-hour 1-2 times a week the sheer scale of topics and concepts covered might be overwhelming. Personally, I can highly recommend TTP because of its focus on details, great content and very user-friendly interface. I would like to encourage especially those readers who, like me, feel that their quant skills are holding them back from getting their dream score to check out the free trial. I do believe that TTP offers the tools necessary to score substantially higher than Q47 too. Lastly, I want to point out that I noticed that there are no “easy” shortcuts to GMAT quant. Yes, there are questions that can be solved in multiple ways, some of them quicker than others. However, to identify those shortcuts and clues one needs to have a good understanding of the concepts tested, whether it be formulas, rules, algebra or arithmetic. There is no “free lunch”. Helpful topics for Verba l General: I highly recommend the following thread for all those who like to learn from YT videos: https://gmatclub.com/forum/verbal-live- ... l#p1936104 Quite long and detailed, but certainly worth the read: https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... l#p1643215 A collection made by people much smarter than myself, although posting a collection in a collection might be a bit of an inception: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... l#p1863647 Another very helpful collection: https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmatclub-ver ... l#p1122343 SC: Nice, concise overview of a coupel of sentence correction rules: https://gmatclub.com/forum/very-useful- ... l#p1401022 Detailed overview of rules and concepts for all those looking for SC help: https://gmatclub.com/forum/sc-tips-shee ... l#p1475810 For those of you that are already good but strive to become great: https://gmatclub.com/forum/how-to-impro ... l#p1836416 More tips and tricks regarding SC: https://gmatclub.com/forum/sc-tips-tric ... l#p2128902 CR: Helpful chapter notes from one of the premier CR books: https://gmatclub.com/forum/powerscore-c ... ml#p937472 A CR guide by one of our mods who is preparing for the LSAT, very structured and certainly worth reading: https://gmatclub.com/forum/mod-nightbla ... l#p2272709 RC: Very comprhensive and honest RC guide: https://gmatclub.com/forum/experts-topi ... l#p1857560 I´ll keep updating this debrief with study materials etc. but I wanted to get the first version out already. 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Great debrief mate! Interesting to see your verbal score essentially maintained throughout.

I note that you undertook GMATClub CATs. When did you take these and what were your scores like?

In the beginning I suffered from very poor command of a lot of topic, therefore my scored showed a significant fluctuation.

The scores are in cronological order.

2018:

Q37
Q35
Q24
Q29
Q42
Q39
Q27
Q35
Q37
Q31

2019:

Q42
Q48
Q48

Best regards,
Chris

Wow that's quite interesting man. I'm stable at Q43 in these tests, but I typically score higher on GMATPrep. So in between 2018 to 2019 I presume you used Target Test Prep and just worked on areas you were weak at?

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Yes, I especially notice a severe improvement once I got more comfortable across the range of topics towards the later stages of the TTP course.

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great read. I hope you are solving the GOT questions daily. go WW!

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Hi Chris,

Congratulations on an epic but more appropriately … congratulations on sticking with your study for almost two years. That's a lot of persistence. Out of curiosity, have you read the book "Grit" by Angela Duckworth?

I am over a month into my own GMAT study and I am curious to better understand how exact TPP helped your increase your score so much in quant?

- Did you do a lot more Quant questions than before?
- Did you re-do more questions?
- Did you spend more time on topics?

I am asking because I have bought the 10 Manhattan prep strategy guides myself. After a little over a month, I have read through all 5 Quant strategy guides and did (sometimes multiple times) about 120 OG 2019 Quant questions and my score seems to be stuck at the low 30's therefore I am pondering over my next move.

Kind regards,

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Amazing job! I’m thrilled to hear that TTP was such an integral part of your GMAT success!! Could you provide some more details regarding how you used the TTP course?

Initially, I went through the respective chapters a little too fast, given that the course is quite comprehensive I wanted to finish quickly I ended up scoring poorly on the first couple of test.
I also did not use the "Active Review" sheets in the beginning, thinking my own notes would suffice.

After the first 2-3 chapters I realized that I was not making the most of this opportunity and adhered to the programme's recommendations.
I took my time going through the chapters, took notes on the active review sheets and also made sure I did the test on every difficulty level, including the review test prior to every new chapter.

Looking back at it, I should have made greater use of the analytics option which enables one to add additional information as to why specific questions caused problems.

Potential students should be aware that TTP does take a significant time investment to yield the desired results, it is certainly not a 2 hours a week solution.
However, if you stay committed to the program, substantial improvement is virtually guaranteed.

Cheers,
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Arro44 congratulations

Thanks for debrief and the links .

I understood u choose LBS congrats and all the best .

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Amazing job! I’m thrilled to hear that TTP was such an integral part of your GMAT success!! Could you provide some more details regarding how you used the TTP course?

Great advice, Chris! I agree 100% that if you can follow the TTP study plan and complete the course in full, “substantial improvement is virtually guaranteed.”

Thanks again for sharing and good luck with things moving forward.

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How are you going with applications mate? What happened with LBS?

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Chris, congratulations on the absolutely amazing score -- especially that epic verbal score! I'm amazed that you managed to do that on 4-5 hours of sleep, and effective immediately, I'm switching to a diet of walnuts, almonds, and kiwis. (Though I might supplement with pretzels, schnitzel, wiesswurst, and bhindi masala. And maybe a few other things...)

And thank you so much for the kind words! A comparison to Bunuel really is the highest possible compliment in this corner of the internet. Did you know that mosquitoes refuse to bite him, just out of respect?

You're one of the people that I'm always happy to see on the forums, and I'm thrilled to see a happy ending to this part of the journey. Please let us know how the applications go for you, and if you end up on this side of the Atlantic, let me know, and we'll grab a beer. I'm in Boston fairly regularly to visit family, just in case that's where you land.

Congratulations again, Chris! It's a huge honor to have played a tiny, tiny role in your GMAT adventure.

Looks like I might be able to take you out for a beer in Boston sometime in the future!

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Congratulations again, Chris! It's a huge honor to have played a tiny, tiny role in your GMAT adventure.

Looks like I might be able to take you out for a beer in Boston sometime in the future!

Congrats. Are you still going to apply to LBS?

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Congrats. Are you still going to apply to LBS?

Likely not, however, LBS is a great school as well!
From the contact I have had with alumni and the adcom, I certainly belive that everyone who chooses LBS will make a great choice.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for your path to lead you to London in the future mate!

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