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Congratulations on a great score and thanks for the debrief.

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Good descriptions of your experience. It's interesting that much of your experience reinforces what's already known: rely on OG, practice repeatedly, analyze, steady yourself, do not second guess algorithm.

This part of your description stood out:

"The test is highly dependent on luck."

This is not good news. A very important test as the GMAT (and the GRE) should never be so dependent on random factors. There will be fluctuations of course, but large score changes degrade trust in the test.

Not everyone can repeatedly afford to spend hundreds/thousands of dollars on just one test. And therefore, the test should not be rewarding only those who can afford to spend. Just my observations to GMAC and ETS.

Thanks for sharing. I am sure the test made you a better learner and much more.

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WOW, Well Done. Seeing posts like yours give hope.

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"My recommendation for SCs and CRs is to practice the huge official question database painstakingly compiled and available for free here on the forum."



Hi, I was wondering how I could get access to them/ find them here on the forum?
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Hi bb,

I took 6 months total with a month long gap between the two attempts. I'm still researching schools.

Hi 09173140521,

I solved RCs from the BIG Book. I didn't have much time and ended up solving around 30-35 RCs from the book.
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Congratulations sroy4 on 780!!

Very nice debrief!

All the best for your applications! :)
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Congratulations on the part two you promised. I read the part one and now the part two. I am encouraged by your success. All the best.

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Hovkial,

You bring up a good point. Thanks for bringing this up. Its true that everyone doesn't have the time or resources to re-take the test. I'm not sure what the solution is. But I also believe ETS/ GMAC do their best to avoid randomness as much as they can. There are only ~35 questions in each section and I don't think its possible to test each concept with every possible difficulty level. Due to the nature of the test, some topics will be tested with easy questions and some with much harder questions. The test taker's luck might dictate how well those questions align with his/her strengths and weaknesses regarding specific topics. Also, since all questions are unequal in difficulty, the time taken to solve each also varies a lot. Your luck may influence what sort of questions you get at a point during the test when you need to speed up. Overall, I would say the influence of luck on my second attempt was neutral. I got slightly unlucky in verbal, as I needed some easy questions/questions at the end to finish comfortably, but got a couple of really hard ones. I felt I was slightly lucky on the Quant section where a couple of questions at the end were suitable for smart guessing without solving a ton and I got those guesses right. But luck alone can't get you from a 600 to a 700, or from a 650 to a 750. There is no substitute for focussed hard work here. The point I want to make here is that if you miss your target score by 20-30 points, don't hesitate to try again. It might've been a bad day for you.
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Hi emmess26,

I'm compiling a list of links that'll add to the post soon. Thanks for reading!
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Hi emmess26,

I'm compiling a list of links that'll add to the post soon. Thanks for reading!

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Hovkial,

You bring up a good point. Thanks for bringing this up. Its true that everyone doesn't have the time or resources to re-take the test. I'm not sure what the solution is. But I also believe ETS/ GMAC do their best to avoid randomness as much as they can. There are only ~35 questions in each section and I don't think its possible to test each concept with every possible difficulty level. Due to the nature of the test, some topics will be tested with easy questions and some with much harder questions. The test taker's luck might dictate how well those questions align with his/her strengths and weaknesses regarding specific topics. Also, since all questions are unequal in difficulty, the time taken to solve each also varies a lot. Your luck may influence what sort of questions you get at a point during the test when you need to speed up. Overall, I would say the influence of luck on my second attempt was neutral. I got slightly unlucky in verbal, as I needed some easy questions/questions at the end to finish comfortably, but got a couple of really hard ones. I felt I was slightly lucky on the Quant section where a couple of questions at the end were suitable for smart guessing without solving a ton and I got those guesses right. But luck alone can't get you from a 600 to a 700, or from a 650 to a 750. There is no substitute for focussed hard work here. The point I want to make here is that if you miss your target score by 20-30 points, don't hesitate to try again. It might've been a bad day for you.

This is not meant to take away from anyone's performance, but I quickly want to address at least two points you made.

"There are only ~35 questions in each section and I don't think its possible to test each concept with every possible difficulty level. Due to the nature of the test, some topics will be tested with easy questions and some with much harder questions. The test taker's luck might dictate how well those questions align with his/her strengths and weaknesses regarding specific topics. Also, since all questions are unequal in difficulty, the time taken to solve each also varies a lot. Your luck may influence what sort of questions you get at a point during the test when you need to speed up. "


* A well-designed test does NOT need to test all of the concepts through hundreds and thousands of questions. The whole point of standardization is to quickly and accurately estimate a testtaker on some criteria.

* Reliability of a test mandates that regardless of question types and timings of what questions appear when, the scores must be accurate and reproducible next time.

* Large changes in scores over short periods of time or other reasonable time periods indicates that a test is not reliable. This should be serious cause for concern.


"But luck alone can't get you from a 600 to a 700, or from a 650 to a 750."

* No one, including I, said that one can get from 600 to 750 or whatever higher score through an undefined concept called "luck". This wasn't within the scope of the discussion.

* The word "luck" was used by you and I cited your statement exactly (please see above).

* Citing "averages" is not very helpful. Average or mean can be extremely misleading.



My view:

The test has some lingering issues with score reliability and validity. This is not a new problem though. Standardized tests such as the GMAT have faced this criticism for years/decades, but it is in their interests to keep defending without making serious corrections.

I am happy to discuss such issues in a separate thread as I have high-level training and expertise in many of these subjects.

In the meantime, congratulations on your hard work.
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congrats for your journey,

just one query, how you went about RC.

as few suggest you understand the main point of the RC by reading the first sentence of each para and getting the gist out of it.

or

you read the whole passage ( before the first question) and took summary and hit the each questions

a good review on rc wud be needful

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