generis wrote:
Bunuel wrote:
A circle has a center at P = (–4, 4) and passes through the point (2, 3). Through which of the following must the circle also pass?
A. (1, 1)
B. (1, 7)
C. (–1, 9)
D. (–3, –2)
E. (–9, 1)
Hi
generis i understand how you got 37, (37 is what ?
) distance ? distance between which points
i dont understand where from did you get various values that you plgged in answe6 choices, see below in RED
A. (1,1):
\(5^2 + (-3)^2 = 34\) NO
B. (1,7):
\((-3)^2 + 4^2 = 25\) NO
C. (–1, 9):
\((-3)^2 + 5^2 = 34\) NO
D. (–3, –2):
\((-1)^2 + (-6)^2 = 37\) YES
E. (–9, 1):
\((-5)^2 + (-3)^2 = 34\) NO
Also which formula are you using when testing answer choices ?
i know this formula
\((x−a)^2\)+\((y−b)^2\) =\(r^2\)
By the way did you try to draw this "A circle has a center at P = (–4, 4) and passes through the point (2, 3)." i drew and it doesnt look lik circle with these
if center is P = (–4, 4) circle cant pass through (2, 3) , if circle wants to stay a circle and some distorted shape of circle
@dave13 :
(37 is what ? ) distance ? distance between which points 37 is the length of the radius, squared.The radius is the distance between the center of a circle and any point that lies on the circle.
(The length of the radius is
\(\sqrt{37}\))
where from did you get various values that you plugged in answer choices?I
wrote the equation for THIS circle first (from the "standard" formula you know).
Then
I found the radius using the given point (2,3).
(Try plugging that point into the equation for THIS circle in blue, directly below.)
The equation for THIS circle is
\((x + 4)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\)Then, in the answers,
values I "plugged in" were x- and y-coordinates for the points in the answers.
I just did not show all the steps. I show full steps below for Answers D and A.
You say you know this formula: \((x−a)^2\)+\((y−b)^2\) =\(r^2\)
Excellent. Standard Equation of a circle,* which is used for circles whose centers are NOT at (0,0)
The center is (a,b). The radius is r. (I used the same equation with (h, k).)
That is the formula I used to test the answers.
But you have to modify the Standard Formula to fit this particular circle.\((x−a)^2\)+\((y−b)^2\) =\(r^2\)
You need a center (given), to find the equation for this particular circle.
You need one point on the circle (given) to find the length of the radius, squared.
Find equation for THIS circle. Plug the center's coordinates (-4,4) into standard circle equation:
\((x - (-4))^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\)
\((x + 4)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\) - equation for THIS circle
Find the radius.
Any point that lies on the circle will satisfy this equation (will make the equation true).
That point's coordinates will yield the length of the radius, squared.
It is given that (2,3) lies on the circle. Plug in point (2,3):
\((2 + 4)^2 + (3 - 4)^2 = r^2\)
\((6)^2 + (-1)^2 = r^2\)
\(36 + 1 = 37 = r^2\) OR
\(r = \sqrt{37}\)
The way I solved this problem, you can and should keep the radius's length squared. Why?
Because
any other point that lies on the circle has to satisfy the equation, and --
we're squaring everything! The equation gives us
\(r^2\).
Why make more work?
To find whether a point is on the circle, I have to plug (x,y) into the equation we found above:
\((x + 4)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\)
Any point on the circle, when I plug its coordinates into the equation, will yield
\(37 = r^2\)Let's take the other point on the circle, Answer D: (-3, -2). Plug in its coordinates.
The result MUST be
\(37 = r^2\) \((x + 4)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\)
\((-3 + 4)^2 + (-2 - 4)^2 = r^2\)
\((-1)^2 + (-6)^2 = r^2\)
\(1 + 36 = 37 = r^2\) BINGO
If you want to take the extra step,
\(\sqrt{r^2}\), that is fine.
(That step is often used in the distance formula. I'm not a fan of the distance formula.)
Do any of the OTHER answers work? (NO.)
\((x + 4)^2 + (y - 4)^2 = r^2\). Plug in x and y. Result must be 37
• Answer A) point (1,1)?
\((1 + 4)^2 + (1 - 4)^2 = r^2\)
\((5)^2 + (-3)^2 = r^2\)
\(25 + 9 = r^2\)
\(25 + 9 = 34 = r^2\)
\(r^2\) should equal 37. Here, \(r^2\) equals 34.
NO, this point does not lie on the circle.
WRONG RADIUS LENGTH
Length of radius for this point?
\(r = \sqrt{34}\)True length of radius for the circle?
\(r = \sqrt{37}\)Try the other answers. Plug the x- and y-coordinates into the equation.
Do they result in
\(r^2 = 37\) or (longer way)
\(r = \sqrt{37}\)?
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By the way did you try to draw this "A circle has a center at P = (–4, 4) and passes through the point (2, 3)." i drew and it doesnt look lik circle with these
if center is P = (–4, 4) circle cant pass through (2, 3) , if circle wants to stay a circle and some distorted shape of circle
Yes, I did, for this answer.
The circle you describe -- which is indeed a circle -- is attached.