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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
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New post 18 Jun 2008, 13:43
A for me.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
like is not correct here and will is missing in the end
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
that refers to like
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
doubtful but prefers A over this.
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
missing will

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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
b. like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
c. like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
d. including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
e. including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations


Between B and E...I will go with B, Like that of the 1942 film is actually a representative example...and like sounds better than including in this scenario...

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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

(A) including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
(B) like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
(C) like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
(D)including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
will
(E) including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
will

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we need to use future tense, so answers without "will' are elimineted (A and C are out)
"movie set designs" is plural noun, so we eliminate answers with "that" , 'those' is needed( B and D are out)
E is left, thus correct IMO
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E

same reasons as first explanation

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we need to use future tense, so answers without "will' are elimineted (A and C are out)
"movie set designs" is plural noun, so we eliminate answers with "that" , 'those' is needed( B and D are out)
E is left, thus correct IMO


Agree with E.
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Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

(A) including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
(B) like that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations will
(C) like those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
(D)including that for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
will
(E) including those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,” future generations
will

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Firstly we have to use will , because its a future generation what we dealing with....

Secondly if it had said a singl design than we would have thought of using Like here, but in this case his designs include those for the 1942 film “Reap the Wild Wind,

thirdly... instead of that we have to use Those.

eliminate the options.


We get E

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Why is D wrong? What if "Reap the Wild Wind" had only ONE set design?

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+1 for E.

I came across a very nice explanation for this sentence:

He "will" refers to remembering him as the architect, not to the construction dates of the buildings. "future generations will remember him as the architect" He will always be the architect - in the past, now, and in the future.

We know this part of the sentence should be in the future because it specifically says future generations.

Note that a sentence can change tenses, as in this case. We start with mention of why he was well-known in the past (first gained...movie set designs) and then the sentence switches tenses to tell us why he will be well-known in the future (future generations will remember him as the architect...). The "although" also signals the contrast to come - he was first known, in the past, for one type of thing but, in future, he will be known for something else (assuming the author's prediction is right!)

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"Like" cannot be used. "Will" Must be used. 'Those' has to be used. E

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"future generations" go with "will". Choice E is correct.
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Yes indeed Stacey prefers future tense, but one small doubt.

William designed the sets in 1942. Now we are talking about future generations of current times i.e., 2011, with a good eighty years flown in between. Now if the future generations of our times will remember him as an architect, How will you describe the remembrance of the people in the interregnum, say in the 1950’s, 1960’s, or 1980’s? (some of whom may not be alive today) Should we use a future tense for them too as of today ? IMO, the future generations points to the future generations after 1942, in which case, we should be happy with using an eternal present - tense verb 'remember' as done in A
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I have a doubt in the following sentence correction question:

Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations
b. including those for the 1942 film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations will

Haven't included other options as errors in those are easily identifiable. The official answer is b but I don't understand what's wrong with a.

Consider this example,

Although Sir Isaac Newton first gained worldwide recognition for inventing Calculus, future generations remember him as the propounder of the laws of the motion.

In this sentence, "future generations" could refer to present generation or to any generation that existed after Newton's death. Why is 'will' required?

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I'm assuming you've framed this sentence on your own, or copied from a non-GMAT source :

Although Sir Isaac Newton first gained worldwide recognition for inventing Calculus, future generations remember him as the propounder of the laws of the motion.

Then again, your claim is - In this sentence, "future generations" could refer to present generation or to any generation that existed after Newton's death.

Please explain why you think so ?

Try to think like this -> "Future Generations" refers to any generation(s) that exists after the statement is spoken.

As per GMAT rules, the present tense here is indeed wrong.
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I have a doubt in the following sentence correction question:

Although William Pereira first gained national recognition for his movie set designs, including those for the film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations remember him as the architect of the Transamerica Tower, the Malibu campus of Pepperdine University, and the city of Irvine.

a. including those for the 1942 film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations
b. including those for the 1942 film "Reap the Wild Wind", future generations will

Haven't included other options as errors in those are easily identifiable. The official answer is b but I don't understand what's wrong with a.

Consider this example,

Although Sir Isaac Newton first gained worldwide recognition for inventing Calculus, future generations remember him as the propounder of the laws of the motion.

In this sentence, "future generations" could refer to present generation or to any generation that existed after Newton's death. Why is 'will' required?

Thanks.


for future generation we will use future tense
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B should be the answer because future generations are referred to the generations after the statement was delivered.

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B should be the answer because future generations are referred to the generations after the statement was delivered.

This,

which is why the "will" is needed after "future generations."

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Yes indeed Stacey prefers future tense, but one small doubt.

William designed the sets in 1942. Now we are talking about future generations of current times i.e., 2011, with a good eighty years flown in between. Now if the future generations of our times will remember him as an architect, How will you describe the remembrance of the people in the interregnum, say in the 1950’s, 1960’s, or 1980’s? (some of whom may not be alive today) Should we use a future tense for them too as of today ? IMO, the future generations points to the future generations after 1942, in which case, we should be happy with using an eternal present - tense verb 'remember' as done in A


Sorry to bring up a rather old post. This is the very first example in the MGMAT guide and I hate the fact that I have a problem with their answer.
I have the same reasoning as daagh above.
"Future generations" could refer to people of post-1947 era, whereas the speaker of the sentence could be basing the entire sentence on the present day. In that case, why do we need "will"?
The only argument I have in support of "will remember" is that if my reasoning were true, "later generations" would have been preferable. However, I find that too small a nitpick.

EDIT: Stacey's answer at http://www.beatthegmat.com/national-rec ... 37799.html seems to suggest that will vs no will as presented in this question would normally not be asked. That's good to hear!

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Can someone please tell me how we know that "that", "those" is referring to the movie set designs? I know the OA is E but that/those could might as well be referring to recognition, in which the case the answer could be B.

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