"The minute you think of giving up, think of the reason why you held so long" I held on too long to let it go, and finally got it Scored a 760 (Q50 V42 IR8 AWA 5.5) Here is a link to the debrief of my first attempt. https://gmatclub.com/forum/gmat-700-q50- ... 1217253url But this one here deserves a debrief and I will try to incorporate all the things which I did during my preparation. After rejection from ISB, I bumped into one of my interviewers who suggested me to give the GMAT again stating that 700 is a low score. So I geared up for another shot at the GMAT and started the preparation in March 2014. GMAT Round3 9th of May 2014. Below is the list of material which i used for the preparation: Magoosh premium Membership Quants: 1. Official Guide 13, Question Pack1 2. Magoosh 3. GMAT Club Tests Verbal: 1. Manhattan Sentence Correction Guide 5th edition, 2. Aristotle SC, CR, RC Grails 3. Official Guide 13 4. OG Verbal Review 5. Magoosh Test Resources: 1. GMAT prep 2. GMAT prep Exam pack1 3. Veritas Prep test (Got access to 6 tests as a benefit of premium membership) 4. Magoosh Tests. I needed to form a schedule, so went ahead and enrolled myself in Magoosh's premium membership course. (This came with a 50 point score guarantee) The Verbal lessons provided are too good. All the concepts are very well explained and clear all the doubts. I went through all the lessons and kept a check of my progress by the analysis provided by Magoosh. The video lessons attached with all the questions helped me to understand the point which I was missing and helped me analyze and improve upon my mistake. I made sure to note down all the concepts, especially for SC in a notebook and kept revising them every other night. I was performing bad particularly in CR and paid attention to it by doing all the CR problems and listening to the videos provided by Magoosh. The mistake I did here was that I left RC unattended. I just solved the RCs on my mock tests and never revisited them. I think this is the problem with most of the people. We solve RCs only in the mock tests and think that reading supplementary material would do the trick. But in my opinion, nothing can be far frm the truth. We need to practice a lot for the RC section, especially the Official Questions to get a hang of the type of questions and how to solve them Also, an even bigger mistake was not keeping an error log. THE MOCK TESTS: By far the most important factor in your final score. Every test you take, enables you for D Day. By adjusting your time, stamina, fatigue, strategy during the mock tests, on the final day you can do wonders My schedule for the mock test is detailed below along with the scores: Magoosh Tests: Test 1: 690 (Q48 V36) - 5/4/2014 Test 2: 690 (Q48 V36) - 20/4/2014 Test 3: 730 (Q50 V40) - 24/4/2014 Veritas Tests: Test 1: 690 (Q50 V35) - 18/4/2014 Test 2: 740 (Q50 V41) - 26/4/2014 Test 3: 760 (Q50 V44) - 28/4/2014 Test 4: 760 (Q50 V44) - 30/4/2014 GMATPrep Tests: Test 1: 710 (Q50 V35) - 15/4/2014 EP Test1: 760 (Q50 V44) - 30/4/2014 (1 wrong in the first 10 in VA) EP Test2: 710 (Q50 V37) - 04/5/2014 (3 wrong in the first 10 in VA) ACTUAL GMAT 710 (Q50 V35 IR 8 AWA 6) After doing all the hard work, I scored a 710. The score was good, but my soul was not at peace. I was bummed by a hard RC passage which came in the first 10 questions, and I know for sure that I would have marked the answers incorrectly. Asked bb for the advice and he said 3rd or 4th attempt makes no difference, so go for it. Asked the ISB ADCOM about the feedback, they told that the GMAT score is on the lower side, so i should try and boost up my score to at least 740. Recipe for another retake Came back home, attempted a Veritas Prep test and scored a 740. Registered for the GMAT on the same day (25th May) and took the next available date of 16th July. GMAT Round 4 - 16th July 2014 This time around, I knew where I lacked. I downloaded the all official files which have been compiled by Souvik and started solving the questions. This was the only thing which I included in my preparation for the 4th round of GMAT. Although my basics had been built, this time around my strategy acted like the captain of the ship on which the basics/concepts were the passengers. I tried to increase my accuracy as much as possible. I completed almost 90% of those pdf files till the day before my GMAT. I was able to solve them with an accuracy close to 90%. Also another amendment was the practice of RCs. In all I would have solved more than 120 RCs for the 4th round of preparation. I also maintained an error log. Not a proper excel sheet, but I kept on noting down all the problems which were incorrect and made sure to learn new concepts attached to them. I found the new concepts by searching for those questions on the GMATclub and noted the concepts down in my Error log learning. This tremendously helped me in my preparation. The main point here is that you should know where you had gone wrong, so that the next time you never make the same mistake. Study Material: The official Question pdfs for RC, CR and SC Veritas Prep Free Question Bank THE MOCK TESTS: Veritas Prep: 760 (Q50 V44) GMAT Prep (Reset) Test1: 750 Test2: 760 EP test1: 770 EP Test2: 760 (Last mock before the exam) I took the scores of the GMAT prep with a pinch of salt as I had seen many of the questions. Still sitting for 4 hours helped me build my stamina for the real thing. ACTUAL GMAT: 760 (Q50 V42 IR8) Had teary eyes. Raised my hand slowly and the invigilator escorted me out of the center. I even told him that I will not come back again here, to which he gave a polite smile Tips for preparation: Sentence Correction: MGMAT is the best book you can get your hands on to prepare for SC. Aristotle Grail is a simplified version of MGMAT and is too useful to build the concepts. Magoosh lessons. Easy, Crisp and Lucid video lessons. Take down the notes in your notebook and revise them every other day, so that they are embedded in your system. Start off a SC question by find the subject and then check that the verb agrees with it or not. Check for the parallelism by looking out for words such as and, that etc. Make sure that there is a verb in the sentence (-ing forms are not verbs by themselves) To break it in points: 1. Find the subject 2. Make sure the subject agrees with the verb in numbers 3. 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In assumption questions, try to negate the left over answer choices and then see if the arguement falls apart. If it does, then you have the correct answer In the conclusion question, full essence of the premise should be captured. Reading Comprehension: Definitely the section which is most underrated by the students and according to me, this is the section which can make or break your score. I have learned it the hard way. There are a lot many strategies which people recommend. However making a passage map worked out for me. I always made a passage map by writing the main points about the paragraph, including some of the details. The usage of short hand is a must for this. I read the first and the last lines of each paragraph with utmost importance as they are the ones which give you a good idea about the intent of the paragraph. Practice is again the key here. I believe that even if you are not a voracious reader and do not read "the Washington times", you can crack this section by solving ample number of RCs. Worked for me. Keep a note of the tone in which the passage is written broadly: positive, negative or neutral. Specific Details questions: Read one line before and after the specific detail in the passage Inference Questions: Treat like a normal CR question, look for the information in the passage and you will be able to infer easily Conclusion and Tone questions: Should be able to capture the whole paragraph and should not contain anything new Recommended Material: MGMAT SC Aristotle SC, CR Magoosh membership GMAT Prep and GMAT Prep Extended Pack GMAT Prep Question Pack1 And finally the big one: The pdfs of everything official compiled by Souvik fir CR SC and RC. These files contain all the official question out there and help to get a hang about the types of questions which come on the real thing. But these file come at a cost. I would not recommend these files to anyone who is taking the GMAT for the first time as your test taking experience will be diluted because of the seen questions. However, the re-takers should definitely try to solve these files as much as they can. The official pdfs can be found at the links below: CR: https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-most-comp ... l#p1129824 SC: https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-most-comp ... l#p1129819 RC: https://gmatclub.com/forum/the-most-comp ... l#p1129820 Error Log: This has to be in place if someone is preparing sincerely. The methods for recording errors may be different, but one should have this. I simply noted down all the questions I got wrong on three separate pages of my notebook, each page for one section. My tips for the GMAT test day: 1. Get proper sleep before the day. 2. Reach the centre at least half an hour before your appointment. 3. Just revise the formulas and rules which you have prepared over the course of your studies. 4. Go through the AWA template by Chineseburned a day or two before itself. I assure you that would suffice 5. Take an energy drink and something to eat. May be biscuits or chocolates or anything, but have some thing during the breaks. 6. Take both the breaks and i would recommend use the restroom to keep your mind free 7. NEVER NEVER NEVER think about the difficulty of the question and judge your performance based on the difficulty of the next question. if you are very well prepared, you are bound to feel all the questions easy 8. Keep a track of the time and its ok to make a guess in some unsolvable question and move on rather than wasting 5 minutes on the question. 9. Past is past, dont think about the section which is completed, leave it and move ahead. A good next section can also get you to 750 760. 10. NEVER NEVER NEVER let the thought of the final score cross through your mind during the exam. 11. Pay attention to the first 10 questions. 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Hi Ankur, Thanks a lot for your inputs. Your answers would definitely help me to improve RC skill. In my initial post, I quote some part of your debrief to ask a question but forgot to ask you. Here it is I just want to know: What source did you use to improve your RC skill? Did you use 1000RC set? Which source do you recommend other than OG? Sorry for some more questions.

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I have general question on RC.
1. Daily how much RC you were solving?
2. How you gained accuracy in RC?
3. How you were learning from your mistakes?
4. How you were timing yourself?
5. You were completing RC in set of 4-5? Or you were completing one RC and then after reviewing it you were moving to next RC?

** Overall strategy question
6. How you build the stamina?
7. What you did to remain focused during the exam? It is very hard to remain focus especially in last hr of the exam and that is the most crucial hr.
8. What was your daily routine to approach Verbal section? -- I am planning to solve daily 4 RCs and on alternative day solve CR and SC by timing myself. What do you suggest on this approach?

Sorry for lots of questions, but you inputs would be very much helpful.

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Woah! thats a lot many questions. Please find the answers inserted below

1. Daily how much RC you were solving?
I solve around 4-5 RCs per day and then analyzed the questions and identified the types which I got wrong
2. How you gained accuracy in RC?
Practice is the key here
3. How you were learning from your mistakes?
I used to go back and re read the portion of the passage from where the question came. Also I used to look for the RC which I got wrong in gmatclub and then go through the replies.
4. How you were timing yourself?
I used the stop watch on my phone and made sure that I did not take more than 2 minutes on an average for solvng all the questions in the RC.
The average was calculate by accounting for the reading time also. So (total time for reading + solving questions)/ no. of questions<= 2 mins
5. You were completing RC in set of 4-5? Or you were completing one RC and then after reviewing it you were moving to next RC?
Totally depended on my mood, no set strategy here

** Overall strategy question
6. How you build the stamina?
By sitting and practicing 4 - 5 RCs per day
7. What you did to remain focused during the exam? It is very hard to remain focus especially in last hr of the exam and that is the most crucial hr.
All my mock tests included AWA and IR. This helped me maintain my stamina for the 4 hours, especially for the last half an hour
8. What was your daily routine to approach Verbal section? -- I am planning to solve daily 4 RCs and on alternative day solve CR and SC by timing myself. What do you suggest on this approach?
I practiced all the three daily. 4-5 RCs, 15 - 20 CR and SC daily. And go through the SC notes every alternate day.

I hope I have answered all your questions. Do let me know if you have more

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Hi Ankur,

Thanks a lot for your inputs. Your answers would definitely help me to improve RC skill.

In my initial post, I quote some part of your debrief to ask a question but forgot to ask you.

Here it is

ankurgupta03

Also another amendment was the practice of RCs. In all I would have solved more than 120 RCs for the 4th round of preparation.
I also maintained an error log. Not a proper excel sheet, but I kept on noting down all the problems which were incorrect and made sure to learn new concepts attached to them. I found the new concepts by searching for those questions on the GMATclub and noted the concepts down in my Error log learning.

I just want to know:
What source did you use to improve your RC skill?
Did you use 1000RC set?
Which source do you recommend other than OG?

Sorry for some more questions.

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I just want to know:
What source did you use to improve your RC skill?
Did you use 1000RC set?
Which source do you recommend other than OG?

Sorry for some more questions.

Hey it's OK

As mentioned in the above posts, I used the pdfs compiled by Souvik for the RC, Cr an SC preparation and would recommend the same if you are a re-taker, else finish your GMATprep exams first an then go through these.
I did not use the 1000RC set.

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Hey it's OK

As mentioned in the above posts, I use the pfs compile by Souvik for the RC, Cr an SC preparation and would recommend the same if you are a re-taker, else finish your GMATprep exams first an then go through these.
I did not use the 1000RC set.

Hi Ankur,

Thanks a lot for your inputs.

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Dude...I am on the same boat....Consistently scoring Q50/51 but V is stuck at 35/36. I could see you also struggled with V35 in earlier attempts. Any piece of valuable advice on how to break V40.

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As I mentioned in the first post itself, focus extensively on the official questions.
Solve the pdfs compiled by Souvik.

They should help for sure. Also do not neglect RC.

All the best!

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Hi Ankur,

I need ur help too. I am good with SC and my accuracy is 75%.
However, I suck at CRs. I just dont understand those questions. I have gone through Powerscore CR and Thursdays with Ron but no help.
Can you guide me? Can we talk over the phone since i am also Indian.

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Hi Ankur,
Firstly congrats on your brillant score!! Your spirit is really commendable.. My weakness is the Quant Section. Can you please guide me, which is the best course for Quant. I am really confused between so many of them.. So please let me know.. Also my target score is 600+ since i want to apply for Masters . Thnks .

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I am not ankur but can respond on this.

Plz subscribe to GC tests as they are awesome for scoring Q50-51.
If done with GC tests, please complete Manhattan Advance Quant guide.
If above is completed, please follow Bunuel, our GC Math expert, for more practice.

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I hope all your queries are clarified.
I could not have answered it in a better way than TGC

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Hi Ankur. Just got around to reading your debrief... You deserve a standing ovation :wave

Many many congratulations for your score. Now please hang up the GMAT boots (I know you have!)

I hope that you are writing about passion being one of your major strengths in your essays (bring it in somewhere, even if you haven't so far!).

Really like the way you quoted The Grey!

Today, you have bested this beast, Hercules! Come the next one awaits....

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Hi Ankur. Just got around to reading your debrief... You deserve a standing ovation :wave

Yes, finally I see the boots hung quietly in one corner of the wall

I was actually not writing about it, but will for sure now ...
The Grey was the actual motivation for me. Made sure to read the lines whenever I felt low and wanted to chuck it

Hercules

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Hi,

What was your process for SC. Especially the new format of very long underlined?
Did you use POE, process similar to CR..Read each answer choice independently and cross out any mistakes you see.
Or did you use the old method 3/2 splits. If you used your own approach please share it.
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Splits are the best way to solve the SC questions.
Try to identify the mistake in choice A if thee is any, else move to other choices and then strike out the choices which have the same mistake.

Finally you will mostly be left with 2 or in some cases 3 choices.
Now for the fully underlined sentence, i used to compare the sentences vertically (vertical reading) and then come at the last (and hopefully the correct

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Congrats Ankur. Brilliant debrief. You definitely deserve the GMAT Score. Although after reading the debrief, i am a bit intrigued - so many adcomms tell us that any score above 700 is sufficient, yet thats not the realty.

I am also planning to apply this year. After all the hardwork of getting a 700+ GMAT, never know if its going to be enough.

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"The minute you think of giving up, think of the reason why you held so long"
I held on too long to let it go, and finally got it

One final tip for the Re takers: Write the following lines on the first page of your notebook

"Once more into the fray
Into the last good fight i'll ever know
Live and die on this day
Live and die on this day"

Some of the best quotes. I love the movie grey. Congratulations and good luck in the future. Never give in.

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Hi ankurgupta03,

Congrats on your score but I am really shocked to hear that ISB considers 710 a low score. I mean really; the average at some of the Top B schools in the World is around 710.

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As sad as it may sound but 710 is a low score at ISB for an applicant from the IT background in India.
For rest of the applicant pool, it is not as the average score at ISB too is 710

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Amazing Ankur !!
You set an example.
After a long time, I am here on Gmat club and I am thrilled to read your debrief.
Congrats!!

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Amazing Ankur !!
You set an example.
After a long time, I am here on Gmat club and I am thrilled to read your debrief.
Congrats!!

Thanks a lot and good to see that you are studying at XLRI.
I can recall the discussions on the ISB thread last year

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