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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved


A The phrase starting with "and its trunk" is not parallel to the first element in the list because it lacks "that" at the start.
B The past progressive tense is wrong here.
C The past perfect is wrong here because there is no need to stress the order of events.
D "And its trunk" is a fragment.
E Correct.
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved



Although we certainly don't hear it often, "is descended" is correct. For example:

We are descended from the chimpanzee.
He is a direct descendant of Charles the Great.

But I do agree that the phrase looks odd on paper.





Is it fine to write "Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggests" . My understanding says that it should be "That" and not "To" "Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests" . Please someone put some light on this .
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New post 31 May 2017, 12:03
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BM wrote:
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved



Although we certainly don't hear it often, "is descended" is correct. For example:

We are descended from the chimpanzee.
He is a direct descendant of Charles the Great.

But I do agree that the phrase looks odd on paper.





Is it fine to write "Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggests" . My understanding says that it should be "That" and not "To" "Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests" . Please someone put some light on this .



Hello gmat4varun,

Thank you for the query. :-)

The correct official sentence uses the expression Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest. We know that the correct answers of official sentences are always correct. Hence, we should not doubt them. Rather, we should learn from them those correct usages we are not aware of.

See, there is no issue in the expression Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests. Undoubtedly, this expression conveys the intended meaning clearly. However, there is no issue with Australian embryologists have found evidence to suggest either.

Hope this helps. :-)
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(a) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(b) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(c) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(d) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(e) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved


only choice E make "its truck" refer to "elephant". in other choices, "its trunks" are ambiguous.
choice E use second "that" , so,the clause "its trunk evolve...." is parallel to "elephant is..." . and because of this paralelism, "its trunk" refer clearly to "elephant".
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.
A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
D. to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

Please explain your reasoing?

Why is " elephant is descended" grammatically correct.


It is correct because it is equivalent to "is a descendant of"
If you use active form "has/had descended" the phrase no longer has the meaning of "being a descendant". Instead, it will mean "has moved downward". HTH


Can you give any example usage of 'is descended'?
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolving
(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved

B, C, D -> eliminated because no parallelism b/w "descended" & "evolving"
b/w A & E -> it was difficult to see where the issue. I suck at idioms so not sure if "evidence to suggest" is correct or "evidence that suggests" is correct (turns out the former is indeed correct).. The reason I chose E over A is because of ",and" .. I just read 5 minutes back that ", and" should be used to separate 2 clauses and in A, "and its trunk originally evolved" is not an independent clause. Am I right in my understanding?
Besides, "that the elephant" and "that its trunk" sounds like a good parallelism

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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an
aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel.

A. that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving
The evidence suggested 2 things (i) that the elephant ….and (ii) that its trunk ….
However, the second “that” is missing in the sentence.
Also, we need a verb in place of a verb-ing “evolving”

B. that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
“has suggested” incorrect Tense.. We need simple present tense to express that the evidence suggests X and Y..

C. suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved
“evidences that suggesting that” !!!
Pretty awkward…
“evidence suggesting that” would have been better ..
Also the usage of “with its …” is incorrect as this should be a separate clause to emphasize that the evidence suggests two things…

D. to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
As clarified in Option A second “that” is missing

E. to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
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New post 28 Jun 2017, 10:44
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Hey All,

I got asked to take this one on by private message, so here I am! The answer is certainly E.

Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: There's no reason to use a comma with a list of two things.

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: You have to say "that" after the verb "to suggest".

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: The use of the past perfect tense here is incorrect, because the action isn't complete. I know it may seem like the descent has ended, but in the present, the elephant is STILL descended from an aquatic animal. That's an eternal truth. Also, using the prepositional phrase "with its trunk originally evolving" ends up modifying "an aquatic animal", when we really want to be referring to the elephant.

(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: We don't want to change tense in parallel unless there's a significant reason ("yesterday I went to the store but today I will stay at home"). No good reason from present perfect "has descended" to past "evolved".

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
ANSWER: "descended" and "evolved" are parallel, and everything else is clear.

Hope that helps!

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I thought commas will not be tested in gmat?
What makes A wrong is the commas, right?
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New post 04 Jul 2017, 13:18
Question tag says that question is from OG, but question is phrased differently in OG, and it is easier to reject choice A(clear parallelism error) after looking at OG version.
Correct Question, as per OG
Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is
descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving
as a kind of
snorkel.
Can some one modify the question ?
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souvik101990 wrote:
Concept tested: Parallelism, meaning, usage, style.
Difficulty: High
Illustration: “is descended” and “has/had descended” mean two entirely different things. Has/had descended implies going below (literally or metaphorically).
e.g: I had descended a few steps in the cave.
e.g: I would never want to descend to his level of callousness.
Is descended from implies ancestry. So obviously has/had descended is incorrect.
So, B,C,D are eliminated.
However between A and E, E is marginally better because of two things:
1. That suggests that in A sounds horrible.
2. E maintains “that” parallelism. (however the "second that" in A which apparently seems to be missing is not absolutely essential.)
E is the correct answer


Hello Souvik,

here is one thing that I am not clear with in terms of using to suggest instead of that suggests. The scientists were not finding the evidence with the purpose of suggesting, as they didn't now what evidence would point at before they found it. Therefore, I see evidence suggests that a better fit just because the rest of the sentence becomes evident for the scientists after they found the evidence and evaluated what that evidence suggests. This was the only reason for me not to choose E. Can you elaborate taking this point of the view into consideration with regards to meaning.

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A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving Not parallel

B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
Three things are wrong here:
-Not parallel
-“its trunk originally evolving” is fragment that seems to be modifying elephant but is too far from the noun it intends to modify
-“has suggested” is not the right tense


C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved
Two issues:
-Not parallel
-tense of the verb “had descended” is wrong because it means that the elephants are not descendants any more


D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
Same issues as in Ce

E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
Both clauses before and after the “and” are parallel. This is the correct answer.
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved

(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved



{,and} before {its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel} tries to make 2 independent clauses and connect them. only problem is that the second part is missing a verb (evolving alone can't be a verb). This gives an idea that descending from aquatic animal and evolution of trunk needs to be parallel. b also goes out as there is no verb for {its trunk}.Additionally, in a statement, we look for either a simple present tense or a simple past tense, this kicks out (c) and (d).The only option left is E) Please feel free to correct me, in fact I will appreciate that.
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Below is from Ron's post. I really like it so i am sharing it here.


"evidence to suggest" and "evidence that suggests" are both acceptable in this sort of context. neither is a basis for elimination.

normally you would see "evidence that suggests..."
however, they've used "evidence to suggest..." here, in order to avoid writing evidence THAT suggests THAT xxxxx. not because it's wrong -- just because it's ugly.
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TommyWallach wrote:
Hey All,

I got asked to take this one on by private message, so here I am! The answer is certainly E.

Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: There's no reason to use a comma with a list of two things.

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: You have to say "that" after the verb "to suggest".

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolving
PROBLEM: The use of the past perfect tense here is incorrect, because the action isn't complete. I know it may seem like the descent has ended, but in the present, the elephant is STILL descended from an aquatic animal. That's an eternal truth. Also, using the prepositional phrase "with its trunk originally evolving" ends up modifying "an aquatic animal", when we really want to be referring to the elephant.

(D) to suggest that the elephant has descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
PROBLEM: We don't want to change tense in parallel unless there's a significant reason ("yesterday I went to the store but today I will stay at home"). No good reason from present perfect "has descended" to past "evolved".

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
ANSWER: "descended" and "evolved" are parallel, and everything else is clear.

Hope that helps!

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Hi Tommy ,
I am not convinced about your explanation of the 1st answer choice.

As per my understanding -
that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved as a kind of snorkel.

the highlighted sections are independent clauses . And we connect independent clause by a , coordinating conjunction.

No reason to use a comma with a list of two things is acceptable when they are , nouns, noun modifiers, verbs , verb modifiers etc. But not in the case of Independent clause.

As per me option A can be eliminated on stylistic grounds of - 'that suggest that' being awkward or not the most subtle way of expressing this relationship, which option A manages well

Anyone - Let me know if I am not correct with the reason provided for A
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Australian embryologists have found evidence that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving as a kind of snorkel.

(A) that suggests that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolving

(B) that has suggested the elephant descended from an aquatic animal, its trunk originally evolving

In A and B, "evolving suggests that it is evolving right now. This is not what we want. Eliminate a and b.

(C) suggesting that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal with its trunk originally evolved
with cannot be followed by an independent clause

(D) to suggest that the elephant had descended from an aquatic animal and its trunk originally evolved
The phrases are not parallel.

(E) to suggest that the elephant is descended from an aquatic animal and that its trunk originally evolved
The phrases are parallel now and convey a precise meaning.
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Please why is option "D" not correct?
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Hi,

What if the option was : "to suggest that he elephant is descended from an aquatic animal, and its trunk originally evolved"
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