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158. Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and follow a prescribed format.
Here the subject 'financial information' is singular right? If so, it should use 'follows' than 'follow', isn't it?

"require that" implies subjunctive mood. So "follow" is correct.
A should be the correct answer.
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A..

require + [that] + the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants + [be]
.. basically, the be part should be the first 1st tense of the verb..
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+1 A

Subjunctive mood, "require THAT + (noun/pronoun) + verb (in base form)".

Be careful that there are some verbs that don't accept the subjunctive mood.
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IMO A
(A) be complete and follow a prescribed format
1) Require that + verb (subjunctive mood)
2) Verbs are parallel

(B) is complete and it follows a prescribed format
(C) be complete and a prescribed format is followed
(D) to be complete and a prescribed format be following
(E) be completed, and it followed a prescribed format

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158. Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and follow a prescribed format.
Here the subject 'financial information' is singular right? If so, it should use 'follows' than 'follow', isn't it?

"require that" implies subjunctive mood. So "follow" is correct.
A should be the correct answer.

Does it mean that the verb "follow" does not depend on the noun (information - singular) in this case?
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158. Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and follow a prescribed format.
Here the subject 'financial information' is singular right? If so, it should use 'follows' than 'follow', isn't it?

"require that" implies subjunctive mood. So "follow" is correct.
A should be the correct answer.

Does it mean that the verb "follow" does not depend on the noun (information - singular) in this case?

Hi
Incase of Subjunctive usage...verb must be plural, even if the subject is singular.
Another point to note is that require can be both Subjunctive and non subjunctive...but since that is used after require so it confirms its subjunctive role.

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158. Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and follow a prescribed format.
(A) be complete and follow a prescribed format
(B) is complete and it follows a prescribed format
(C) be complete and a prescribed format is followed
(D) to be complete and a prescribed format be following
(E) be completed, and it followed a prescribed format

please explain.

Here the subject 'financial information' is singular right? If so, it should use 'follows' than 'follow', isn't it?

By removing extraneous parts, the original sentence becomes:

Bankers require that the financial information be complete and follow a prescribed format.

A) Grammatically correct and maintains parallelism. "require that" needs subjunctive mood -- "be complete" and "follow" are in subjunctive mood. Correct.
B) "is complete" is incorrect. "is complete" and "it follows" are not parallel.
C) Both active and passive voice are present. "be complete" and "prescribed format is followed" are not parallel.
D) "to be complete" and "prescribed format be following" are not parallel. "prescribed format be following" is grammatically incorrect.
E) "it" does not have a clear referent. "require that" needs the subjunctive mood -- "be completed" and "followed" are inappropriate.

Note:
Subjunctive forms of verbs are used to express various states that has not yet occurred -- these states can be wish, emotion, possibility, judgment, opinion, necessity, action, etc.
Present perfect forms, e.g., 'follows', are real and this form is not used to depict something that didn't happen yet.
Here we need subjunctive mood so as to fulfill the requirements of the bankers; so, the forms "be complete" and "follow" are correct.
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158. Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and follow a prescribed format.
(A) be complete and follow a prescribed format
(B) is complete and it follows a prescribed format
(C) be complete and a prescribed format is followed
(D) to be complete and a prescribed format be following
(E) be completed, and it followed a prescribed format

please explain.

Here the subject 'financial information' is singular right? If so, it should use 'follows' than 'follow', isn't it?

Idiom: require that X do Y.

(A) be complete and follow a prescribed format
Correct. require that the financial information presented ........be complete and follow a prescribed format

(B) is complete and it follows a prescribed format
(C) be complete and a prescribed format is followed
(D) to be complete and a prescribed format be following
(E) be completed, and it followed a prescribed format
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IMO A

Command subjective must be a base form of to be vierb - only be no is/are/to be/was/were..

However, the OA - A seems to be worded wrongly since follow should be singular.. follows.

Any comments....

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Can someone please explain why C is wrong ?

be complete and a prescribed format is followed -> looks parallel to me than
be complete and follow a prescribed format
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Can someone please explain why C is wrong ?

be complete and a prescribed format is followed -> looks parallel to me than
be complete and follow a prescribed format

Hello ydrasil

C is wrong because it does NOT keep the sentence parallel.

Option C: Bankers require that the financial information presented to them by mortgage applicants be complete and a prescribed format is followed
The structure of C is: X require THAT Y be complete and Z is followed

Firstly, because of "and" ==> 'be complete" and "Z is followed" must be parallel. But it's NOT the case here.

Secondly, if you think: [X require THAT y be complete and Z is followed] follows parallel structure ==> You MUST add a second "THAT" before "Z is followed" ==> The sentence becomes:
X require THAT Y be complete and THAT Z is followed.

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As people above have mentioned, A uses command subjunctive, which is an appropriate usage here.

p.s Our book covers subjunctive, its various avatars and scenarios in detail. If you PM me your mail id, I can send the corresponding section to you.
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IMO A

Command subjective must be a base form of to be vierb - only be no is/are/to be/was/were..

However, the OA - A seems to be worded wrongly since follow should be singular.. follows.

Any comments....

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The subjunctive mode has a verb always in its plural form:
REQUIRE THAT + X+ VERB (infinitive w/o to)--- require that he do the homework.

Correct me if i am wrong.
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IMO A

Command subjective must be a base form of to be vierb - only be no is/are/to be/was/were..

However, the OA - A seems to be worded wrongly since follow should be singular.. follows.

Any comments....

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The subjunctive mode has a verb always in its plural form:
REQUIRE THAT + X+ VERB (infinitive w/o to)--- require that he do the homework.

Correct me if i am wrong.
Regards.

You are almost correct. However the command subjunctive mood is not a plural form, but a form you would use to command someone. This form is used with certain bossy verbs such as demand / require / propose etc.

Be fit, Anonimo!
I demand that you be fit.

Here be is not the plural form, but the form you would use to order someone. Notice that the command subjunctive mood is used with the bossy verb demand.

However you are right to say infinitive without to.

I presume you are already aware that there is another type of subjunctive mood called hypothetical subjunctive.
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IMO A

Command subjective must be a base form of to be vierb - only be no is/are/to be/was/were..

However, the OA - A seems to be worded wrongly since follow should be singular.. follows.

Any comments....

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The subjunctive mode has a verb always in its plural form:
REQUIRE THAT + X+ VERB (infinitive w/o to)--- require that he do the homework.

Correct me if i am wrong.
Regards.

You are almost correct. However the command subjunctive mood is not a plural form, but a form you would use to command someone. This form is used with certain bossy verbs such as demand / require / propose etc.

Be fit, Anonimo!
I demand that you be fit.

Here be is not the plural form, but the form you would use to order someone. Notice that the command subjunctive mood is used with the bossy verb demand.

However you are right to say infinitive without to.

I presume you are already aware that there is another type of subjunctive mood called hypothetical subjunctive.

And what would this hypothetical subjunctive be?
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And what would this hypothetical subjunctive be?

Most probably you have come across this usage but may not be familiar with the name subjunctive. Following is a brief description of the same:

Please consider the following two cases of conditional sentences - the first case uses hypothetical subjunctive mood:

Case I: Unlikely Case (in the future)
If I went to the party, I would get very bored.
Structure: IF [hypothetical subjunctive (went)], THEN [conditional tense (would get)].
Here, the sentence implies that I am unlikely to go to the party. The Conditional tense depicts the hypothetical result (would get bored) of the unlikely condition.

Hypothetical subjunctive takes the simple past form (in this case went). Please remember the exception, we use were instead of was in hypothetical subjunctive. Example: If I were the king, I would eradicate poverty.

Case II: Case That Never Happened (in the past)
If I had gone to the party, I would have got very bored.
Structure: IF [past perfect (had gone)], THEN [conditional perfect (would have got)]
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REQUIRE is a special verb that can take either a Command Subjunctiive(THAT + Subject + Verb form) or an infinitive.

In the statement, Bankers REQUIRE THAT , it is following a pattern of command subjunctive verb mood.

A - My choice.
B - is complete. For command subjunctive ONLY "BE" is allowed, No other Be form such as is, was, were is allowed. Out of the game.
C. be complete and a prescribed format is followed. Here AND is a parallel marker, and the phrases before and after AND are expected to be parallel. A presribed format is not parallel to BE COMPLETE. Out of the game.
D. to be complete - to is not the correct usage. There should not be TO for command subjunctive. Out of the game.
E. be completed. Always the verb should be bare form of the verb(complete) but not completed. Hence out of the game.

For command subjunctive ONLY "BE" is allowed, No other Be form such as is, was, were is allowed
Based on this rule, can we cancel 'C', because the second part has, "and a prescribed format 'is' followed"?

Originally posted by aditimangal on 25 Aug 2017, 01:16.
Last edited by aditimangal on 25 Aug 2017, 01:23, edited 1 time in total.
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