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KidA: Oxford or Duke? Honestly....Every WLer in this forum is extremely eager to know your decision.
Best of Luck!
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Now that everyone has this quibbling out of their system, would the two accepted candidates mind posting their stats and if they did anything while waitlisted? I believe one of you (kida) already posted that you did nothing and alluded to some general stats, but I'd be curious to know more as the rest of us sit and calculate the method to this madness.

There is no method. It's a totally subjective process. I've seen applicants with weaker profiles than my profile (a lower gmat, a lower gpa, less work experience, less leadership background and so on) who got into Fuqua. Don't try to get it, cause you won't.

I know that there is no method, believe me. I was just trying to find way to entertain my idle mind. I already have acceptance to another school, but Duke is my top choice. I'd just like to see what kind of folks are getting in at this late hour. Thanks!
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Sigh... so there's no movement today?
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Sigh... so there's no movement today?

It seems two people from the forum that were in WL were accepted today. What is somewhat strange is that people get acceptance calls, not emails. I wonder if international students that were accepted of the WL also recieved a call.
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hey guys- I got in today also.. rd 3 waitlister. honestly i wasnt even thining about duke at all for the last week i wrote them off pretty much once i was waitlisted. never sent an update, nothing. DOnt think im going to go. I think I know what reaction I am going to get when I pose the next question... but would everyone here pick duke over oxford and cambridge? Honestly, I thought duke was my top choice but when I got waitlisted I decided to take the trip to the UK for my interviews at oxbridge. I have to say i was completely blown away. by oxford in particular. that place is seriously a world class institution if ive ever seen one, I dont care abuot the rankings- that place is like a kingdom. its like a kingdom full of intellectualls just DISCUSSING random stuff... I love that. had never been there... came back knowing thats where i want to be. so now that im into duke, i really dont care- someone else can take the spot.. im pretty sure im going to oxford. unless somehow i cant get funding or a visa- ha.

do you guys think thats crazy? ive gotten mixed feedback because obviously duke is ranked higher, its american blablabla... but i really dont care very much about therankings.. went to one of the best american schools undergrad.. im not convinced duke is any better than oxford in fact quite the opposite. Feel free to express strong opinions in response, would love some advice of people who are in the loop, so to speak.

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I think it depends on what you want to do with your MBA. If you want to work in Europe and do not want to switch industries, Said is the way to go. If you want to work in the US or want to switch industries, Fuqua is the way to go.

I played with the thought of applying to Oxford when I was doing applications. In retrospect, I think it was a good idea. The regional work placement aside. I think the biggest draw back, is that Oxford has a 18 months program, which sounds cool at first. But if you want to switch careers, it's good to do an internship first. It's much easier to break into an industry if you've already have experience in it. I think the only exception is doing consulting and ibanking. This is why INSEAD is strong even though it has a short MBA program as well.
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It seems two people from the forum that were in WL were accepted today. What is somewhat strange is that people get acceptance calls, not emails. I wonder if international students that were accepted of the WL also recieved a call.
My recommendation if you are international and really want to go to Fuqua is to call the office. You need to make 1) a VERY strong case why you COULD come to Fuqua if you were accepted and 2) why you SHOULD be accepted.

If I were an Admissions Officer and trying to be prudent with my acceptances, I'd try to go for the applicants who will most likely accept my offer and move to Durham at this point in time. The fact is, orientation starts in less than 2 months, it's very hard to get all the paperwork, visa, relocation, loans, etc. done in that time frame. Unless you already have most of that done (maybe you are already planning to go another US school), it's an unrealistic time frame.
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It seems two people from the forum that were in WL were accepted today. What is somewhat strange is that people get acceptance calls, not emails. I wonder if international students that were accepted of the WL also recieved a call.
My recommendation if you are international and really want to go to Fuqua is to call the office. You need to make 1) a VERY strong case why you COULD come to Fuqua if you were accepted and 2) why you SHOULD be accepted.

If I were an Admissions Officer and trying to be prudent with my acceptances, I'd try to go for the applicants who will most likely accept my offer and move to Durham at this point in time. The fact is, orientation starts in less than 2 months, it's very hard to get all the paperwork, visa, relocation, loans, etc. done in that time frame. Unless you already have most of that done (maybe you are already planning to go another US school), it's an unrealistic time frame.

Thanks for the insight. I actually am processing a student visa with another school. Unfortunately, at least to my understanding, you can only use the student visa for the school you started the paperwork with. The good news is, the process is not very long, if you handle everything through courier service and if the consulate offices in your home country are quick. I guess your right, I should stop sending useless essays and start making a personal contact if I really want to be accepted by Duke.
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Ke18sbwhatever your name is. chill out buddy. I was being FACETIOUS in case you didn't pick up on that. I clearly don't take the process very seriously because i believe that many of these admissions teams make decisions that are ludicrous in terms of what I believe a business school should be looking for but thats me. I find it funny that you call me naive a couple times too but thats cool.

honestly though, after i posted my response i had a pang of regret because i anticipated an annoying email or two coming my way from some tightwad with no sense of humor, who would lash out at me and get all bent out of shape because he essentially takes himself QUITE seriously. Looks like that "tightwad "was you bro.

NOW-

To address all of the kind friends who have been asking for some more info, I am more than happy to let you guys know that i DINGED fuqua today... and must say it felt great to turn the tables after they waitlisted me. fantastic in fact. hahahahahh. No but seriously i told them I unfortunately made a committment (mentally , verbally and financially) since I was not hearing back from duke and I dont think its right to back out on them- especially since its a good school that i had also been interested in. Thank you so much for considering me though. basically i said "you snooze you lose" (didnt actually say it but im sure they got the message)

bottom line guys- SOMEONE will be receiving an offer very shortly! So you gotta be psyched about that! OH- also I asked a few questions on my phone call just to get a feel for what was going on with them. Asked if they knew how big the class was.. couldnt tell me. asked if they were pretty much complete... GOT THE SENSE THAT THEY WERE NOT.
GOT THE SENSE THAT THEY WILL BE MAKING MORE OFFERS- SEVERAL MORE IN FACT.

and this is why i say that... i asked if the class was full and they did not say yes. In fact, they said "we will be completing the class through an ongoing process throughout the summer". so i guess thats good news but def kinda sucks that they drag it out. I also got the sense that from here on out there wont be one specific DAY where they release decisions, it will be more like one off situations like with me yesterday and the other kid they called. So really, any day now you could potentially hear and i think that will remain the case for several months.

ALSO- and this kinda pi##ed me off- They wanted me to make the deposit by THURSDAY. THATS TOMORROW. like are you kidding me?? first you waitlist me and now you pressure me into accepting in TWO DAYS so that I have no time to even think or weigh my options? I really didnt like that.

i also didnt like it when i read a bunch of people who got off dukes waitlist this year got the call, but were first asked "so.. if you get an offer you will DEFINITELY accept?" thats not cool. that would indicate that the offer is contingent upon you committing before you even get it. Even if thats not the case, they put that pressure on so heavy that if you do say yes and arent really sure, you basically look like a scumbag for then backing out. not a fan of that tactic, i mean cmon I know yield is important but it shows no respect for the waitlister. The kids they let in had weeks to respond and think before the deposit. They not only put you on the spot and pressure you to commit trying to scare you into accepting, but they then- to add insult to injury- make you pay them a deposit in two days. Not cool. these were all legitimate turn offs for me.

and yes mr ke18sbg289 whatever your name is, i know thats not a valid reason not to choose a school, but guess what- FOR ME IT IS.

along the same lines: everyone is free to choose his or her school based on whatever criteria they value more. And yes i do in fact value an environment where I believe people to be more abstract, outside the box thinkers. Its stimulating, its challenging and you find yourself growing intellectually tremendously when your peers are pushing you to do so. So you clearly have some kindve a chip on your shoulder but im not sure what it is. I forgive you though. you probably didnt mean it.
things will all work out in the end, so dont worry so much. Im telling you, i didnt think i would get in anywhere. i got several rejections and was ready to not go to school at all.. then waitlisted at duke and that was like the final straw.

BUT HERE IS AN INTERESTING OBSERVATION for the gentleman who asked me about what i DID to get off. ANd the simple answer is NOT MUCH AT ALL. i think this is key for some of the people who believe that bombarding them with info is the way to go. Hellno. Show your interest. STATE IT. if you would enroll if accepted, then state that. THATS IT. you look more attractive that way. The whole update thing is bs. They dont really care. They want to know if you will go and look- if you have anything that you think was a weakness on your app, correct it. Bottom line is only give updates that will add SIGNIFICANT value,

I have found this entire process to be just like everything else in human nature. You want what you cant have, OR, you want something or someone MORE when you feel like they are losing interest in YOU. When i first got my waitlist letter i accepted right away and wrote a quick EMAIL like 3 lines stating my interest. and i left it at that. I also let them know that i was into several other schools and although i really want to go to duke i will have some deadlines coming up,.. casually mentioned it though, and didnt ask anything of them. just thought they should know. I also said i WOULD SEND some materials. and in fact i NEVER followed up.
which is not good if you want to go to that school right? I would think so.

but regardless they called me and gave me the offer, and apologized for making me wait on the waitlist! you know what i think? I think they could SENSE that i was losing interest which was apparent also in my lack of enthusiasm or rather, the fact that i wasnt shamelessly KISSING UP the way so many candidates do and then wonder why they didnt get in. DONT ACT DESPERATE. that is the key. state interest and then get the hell out of there.

if they want you they will call. but let me ask you a question: who do you think they want to scoop up more- the kid who is begging them for a spot and acting pathetic by sending emails all the time with lame updates of no substance? Or the kid who keeps his cool, and although he said duke is where he wants to go, he doesn't seem to be sweating it. If i were on admissions, i would assume we might be losing that kid to another school, and I would act on HIM as soon as I had the chance. On the other hand, you leave the desperate kid on the back burner as a backup for as long as possible, because you know for damn sure that he will accept the offer whenever you call him.

thoughts?

PLAY IT COOL= GET INTO SCHOOL

disclaimer for anyone like ke18sbag who wants to crucify me for something i said in jest: These are opinions of kida only, could be wrong, probably arent, but take them or leave them. Its merely what I have garnered through MY personal experience and my experience has led me to believe that everything you are "told" to do throughout this mba process is mostly totally bs, and lame, and that you should use your instinct to know what is appropriate and what isnt, and to realize how human nature works, how relationships work. if you want to be good at business you need to know how to handle an admissions staff or a boss or whoever. IF THEY LIKE YOU< THEY ACCEPT YOU. they are human, ya know? you could have the best stats in the world but if you come off like a stiff pri&k with no personality chances are you are rejected (at least at the kidA b school. KBS BABY)

good luck evryone . and seriously no hard feelings K-man
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Hey just to follow up on what the guy going to Oxford said... when they called me with the acceptance I got the same lines:

apologized for keeping me on the waitlist - they know its difficult
asked me if they offered if I would accept (why wouldn't you just say yes unless you were 100% sure you were going somewhere else? so not sure how effective that tactic is in weeding people out - I guess they don't want to mess up yield with someone who just forgot to take themselves of the waitlist)
and then finally gave me the offer - and til Thursday to pay it

So in summary, they have this script down, and they didn't "sense" that a particular candidate really didn't care and then apologize for it. Its just their spiel. SO playing "cool" is not going to get you off the waitlist, anymore than bombarding them is. This isn't getting a boy to ask you to prom.

I sent in one update and an additional LOR - nothing significant. I think they are just sizing up the class and picking the puzzle pieces they need. Getting grumpy about it isn't going to help anyone.

Ont o another topic, does anyone know what Fuqua students do for fun? I am trying to choose between this offer and two others, which are slightly lower ranked, but one of the schools is in a really fun town. I am kind of unclear on what people do during their downtime at Fuqua. If anyone has some insight I would be happy to hear it. My visit left me a bit whelmed on Durham.
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MattNY, have you gotten in elsewhere and are waiting on Duke or is Duke the only school you applied to?
Hi redjam17,
I only applied to three schools: Stanford, Dartmouth, and Duke, all Round 2. Got dinged from the first two, waitlisted at Duke, interviewed in R3 at Durham. I actually love the area and would like to settle around there long-term, so Duke would be awesome. If I get in, I'll go. At this point though, I've started applying for other jobs close to top schools, and if I get a good offer I'll go part-time. Not my first choice, I'd love the full-time experience, but this has been my backup plan from the beginning. I have a post in the Careers forum where I've gone through all of the employment reports by school, which companies hire MBAs from them and how many, and am using that as a starting point to look at firms that are MBA-friendly and have affiliations with the schools I want to go to. https://gmatclub.com/forum/company-list-by-mba-schools-and-employment-reports-113644.html

Two days left this week, hopefully a few more folks here get a call. I have to say after this long at least I'm not nervous every time my cell rings anymore.

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Round 2 waitlister. Got the call today. In :) was all ready to put my first deposit down elsewhere too. They literally gave me two days to pay my deposit and I am out of the country on business....

Do you have the phone number that the call came from? I would definitely step out of a meeting to take that call.
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It was a 919 area code. I missed the call as well and then called them back, so no need to feel like you need to rush out to grab the call ;) Good Luck!
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Oh, and for those counting the spots... I accepted my offer from Fuqua today and sent in the deposit. I am a bit nervous about accepting without even seeing my financial aid package though. I asked the admissions office and they said that's how its done for waitlisters. Second class citizens I guess :(
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My journey comes to an end.... Dinged!
Good luck to the others.
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Congrats, westcoastapp! Still hoping for the best here... so if everything works out, we could be seeing each other in the fall. :)

redjam, so sorry to hear about the ding! May I ask how they notified you? I didn't get an email, so I checked my status as soon as I saw your post. It has not been updated since May 9th.

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Updated status on applyyourself webpage...DINGED!...Good luck everyone!
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So sorry to hear that, mbadream. Did they email you as well?

Did anybody else's status remain unchanged, or did they just forget to update mine? I have no idea what this means anymore.

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