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I've been spending hours reading posts on date changes, instead of working on R2 apps. This is ridiculous!
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Miles2gob4isleep...I love that poem: Stopping by woods on a snowy evening...

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I'm as sick of theories as everyone else, but I agree with trivium that applicants seem to be grouped in three separate categories based on their 12/11, 12/12 updates. I don't agree though that the middle group (updates on the morning of 12/12) are WL candidates. Only 9% of applicants were wait listed last year, and there are too many 2017 applicants who fall into trivium's middle category for that to be true.

Rather, it seems like the three categories were clear admit, clear reject, and borderline (anyone whose status hadn't been finalized in mid-November). Adcoms probably played with the numbers all week. As borderline applicants were moved between the accepted, rejected and WL piles, the system automatically "saved changes" each morning. The waivered applicants in the middle group would have been borderline people the school was very interested in but ultimately decided not to interview. Decisions for all applicants were locked on 12/11. Letters uploaded on 12/12, first for borderlines, then clear admits/dings.
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@foreverftc - Yes, I interviewed.

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So why are you leaning towards a Ding? Your GMAT is great, you're in a pretty nice industry that isn't over-represented and your path seems logical. Interview or essay mishap?
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Mine got waived!!
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vandanasathpathy I can bet you will get admitted!! I tell you!!
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Updates in november end can still be admit/deny and final call on scholarships taken today (as they have an entirely different admit letter style with additional info on scholarship)
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This is my favorite theory, because it gets me a scholarship. :-D
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My date is still updating. I now have 12/13. Anyone else?
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My date is still updating. I now have 12/13. Anyone else?
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Still 12/12 here.
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Updated to 12/13 as well.
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I am still at 12/12
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12/13 reporting in
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So latest date change theory afternoon vs midnight vs early morning doesn't make the cut - too speculative.

It is speculative, but if you divide the groups into the categories I mentioned, you'll find the groups are very different. One had many who interviewed at top ranked schools (Booth, Sloan, Wharton, etc.) with no obvious reach candidates. The other lacked these clear admits but had waived applicants and many who didn't get invites from lower ranked schools (Duke, UNC, Anderson, etc.)
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trivium great job with your theory my friend.. That's the best one can come up with gmatclub data.. But not all gmatclub data..

1) We do have waived applicants seeing date changes starting only in December. There is large group of applicants with NO more than 2 updates till december and started seeing things only in first week of december - according to you they are the lucky ones! - I say they are not all and not the only
2) I think First week december can be borderline (lets decide later) type applicants. What about people who saw nearly 5-6 date changes till third week of November when most people had no updates? And a final update in December? - Do we say they are all dings? - not fair as they ruled the roost in Oct/Nov..
3) I don't think all decisions (nearly 400+ R1 admits - going by 60% yield and 700+ size class (1Y/2Y/MMM/JD-MBA) are made on the final week. I guess based on the early interview report availability some decisions are made in November.. They can be obvious ones - admit/deny. OR those for programs such as 1Y/MMM/JD-MBA (small applicant pools)
4) December 1st week pool - waived/borderline/people who might have seen kellogg as back up (too obvious HBS/GSB types) - which is a very difficult pool to pick and choose from. I say this because this group is UNTOUCHED for too long in the admissions process. Come on - we applied on September 24th!
5) If you see Yale which is the closest to Kellogg application system/R1 deadline/Video essays - I was told that they kept making decisions every friday since the 1st interview week (november 1st week) to disperse the load- nearly 50% of admits post-interview are straight, remaining are picked in last couple of weeks together taking call on other candidates, looking at GMATs/yield concerns etc. Not every candidate picked is based on class averages at that point. Decisions are made as they go - large chunk of them can be made in the last to balance the class.
6) Since there are 4 programs (1Y/2Y/MMM/JD-MBA) with 'different' (internal) admission committees - some can have easier workload due to smaller applicant pools (and are faster) for e.g. 1Y, JD-MBA, MMM compared to 2Y pool. I know this fact for sure as I personally interacted with an admit committee member who only looks after her program among the 4. 1Y applicants are typically 400+ (both rounds together) and JD-MBA are 300+ etc. We talk of class averages! Kellogg doesn't even 'report' GMAT averages for 1Y/JD-MBA in their class profiles (fair enough as the fight for ranking is only with 2Y students of other schools). The yardsticks for 1Y and JD-MBA are more professional than academic/test scores and there is a lot of self selection.
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strange to see the dates getting updated on a saturday.
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My last change before yesterday (it was either the third change on my essay or the fourth) was on November 8th, which was a Saturday. Seems they've been working hard for a while.
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I am still at 12/12. doesn't seem like a lot of 12/13 changes...

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So latest date change theory afternoon vs midnight vs early morning doesn't make the cut - too speculative.

It is speculative, but if you divide the groups into the categories I mentioned, you'll find the groups are very different. One had many who interviewed at top ranked schools (Booth, Sloan, Wharton, etc.) with no obvious reach candidates. The other lacked these clear admits but had waived applicants and many who didn't get invites from lower ranked schools (Duke, UNC, Anderson, etc.)
trivium great job with your theory my friend.. That's the best one can come up with gmatclub data.. But not all gmatclub data..

1) We do have waived applicants seeing date changes starting only in December. There is large group of applicants with NO more than 2 updates till december and started seeing things only in first week of december - according to you they are the lucky ones! - I say they are not all and not the only
2) I think First week december can be borderline (lets decide later) type applicants. What about people who saw nearly 5-6 date changes till third week of November when most people had no updates? And a final update in December? - Do we say they are all dings? - not fair as they ruled the roost in Oct/Nov..
3) I don't think all decisions (nearly 400+ R1 admits - going by 60% yield and 700+ size class (1Y/2Y/MMM/JD-MBA) are made on the final week. I guess based on the early interview report availability some decisions are made in November.. They can be obvious ones - admit/deny. OR those for programs such as 1Y/MMM/JD-MBA (small applicant pools)
4) December 1st week pool - waived/borderline/people who might have seen kellogg as back up (too obvious HBS/GSB types) - which is a very difficult pool to pick and choose from. I say this because this group is UNTOUCHED for too long in the admissions process. Come on - we applied on September 24th!
5) If you see Yale which is the closest to Kellogg application system/R1 deadline/Video essays - I was told that they kept making decisions every friday since the 1st interview week (november 1st week) to disperse the load- nearly 50% of admits post-interview are straight, remaining are picked in last couple of weeks together taking call on other candidates, looking at GMATs/yield concerns etc. Not every candidate picked is based on class averages at that point. Decisions are made as they go - large chunk of them can be made in the last to balance the class.
6) Since there are 4 programs (1Y/2Y/MMM/JD-MBA) with 'different' (internal) admission committees - some can have easier workload due to smaller applicant pools (and are faster) for e.g. 1Y, JD-MBA, MMM compared to 2Y pool. I know this fact for sure as I personally interacted with an admit committee member who only looks after her program among the 4. 1Y applicants are typically 400+ (both rounds together) and JD-MBA are 300+ etc. We talk of class averages! Kellogg doesn't even 'report' GMAT averages for 1Y/JD-MBA in their class profiles (fair enough as the fight for ranking is only with 2Y students of other schools). The yardsticks for 1Y and JD-MBA are more professional than academic/test scores and there is a lot of self selection.
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Where did you get 300+ for JD mba just curious. I don't see this info anywhere on the web. 300+ for 30 seats is kinda scary and is definitely nowhere close to being "comparable" to other programs as the adcoms claim.
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I am still at 12/12. doesn't seem like a lot of 12/13 changes...

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Mine is 12/13. I'm going to laugh if this is really just a glitch and has nothing to do with when the adcom accesses your application.
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I am still at 12/12. doesn't seem like a lot of 12/13 changes...

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Mine is 12/13. I'm going to laugh if this is really just a glitch and has nothing to do with when the adcom accesses your application.
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I'm going to laugh when all the theories are debunked by people that don't fit into the imaginary system. :lol:
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I am still at 12/12. doesn't seem like a lot of 12/13 changes...

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Mine is 12/13. I'm going to laugh if this is really just a glitch and has nothing to do with when the adcom accesses your application.

I'm going to laugh when all the theories are debunked by people that don't fit into the imaginary system. :lol:
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I second this!!!
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I assume everyone's video has a dec update at this point. So the theory should still fit one of the categories.

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12/13 ... changing everyday from 12/5. More and more seems like a glitch now.
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