Thanks, sakys and eyoxfordmba for doing this session with us today. How suitable do you think Oxford’s MBA program is for career switchers in the absence of internship opportunities. How many from your class were career switchers? Is there any full ride scholarship for Asian students?Please visit the SBS scholarship page there are tons of scholarship both based on need and region as well as based on social impact programs
Also, tell us about the work permit post-graduationsakys: The work permit current is valid until 6 months after graduation however for the 2021 class there has been a recent development where it is expected to be increased to 2 years.
eyoxfordmba: I’m afraid I’m a UK citizen so I’m not fit to answer this... but I understand that several of our classmates have been successful in negotiating work visas. It wasn’t easy, but it was possible and having been on the student visa made the conversion much simpler. There is a possibility things may also change post-Brexit so... it’s best to speak to a qualified lawyer about this when the time comes!
sakys: The Tier-4 visa for our batch has a validity of 6 months post MBA. This is expected to be changed for the 2020 intake that is class of 2021. It is expected to be increased to 2 years for the job search. The Tier-2 ofcourse depends on the company sponsorship as @eyoxford mentioned
I have experience in healthcare consulting in Nigeria-Africa I plan on applying this second round but I don’t have a good GMAT school ... I want to send in my application and retake the GMAT after .... I reached out to the school and I was told it’s possible... I guess I want to know if I should apply this round or move to round 3 ... what do you think is best?eyoxfordmba: From what I understand, Oxford does a great job of looking at the whole profile of a candidate and not get too hung up on just the GMAT score. That being said, there is a minimum threshold - I think they said it’s 650 this year - to be considered in the first instance. If you’ve passed 650 and feel like you have a compelling profile, I say go for it!
KeyurJoshiHello I wanted to know if there will be any impacts on the International students policies and careers due to Brexit?09:06 am
Thank you guys for being here. Just wondering what kind of roles you guys are heading into after the MBA degree? Does a MBA degree help you switch to a more desired industry?eyoxfordmba: I had a huge career pivot -- so I’m currently finishing up a summer internship at Amazon in their Logistics business. I’m currently juggling two offers to move further into online retail and logistics and I have to chalk it up to the MBA for allowing me this massive pivot! Prior to Oxford, I didn’t even know what supply chain and operations was.... and the exposure to all these new fields and opportunities allowed me to explore something completely new!
How would you rate the recruitment scene at Oxford in the big tech firms like Amazon, google. How challenging is to find product management roles for international students at these firms?eyoxfordmba: It’s OK but it’s definitely improving. Speaking from the Amazon angle, I don’t think they would’ve ever even had considered me if it wasn’t for the Saïd Career Services, considering I had such an abnormal candidate profile! We have a very close relationship with the Amazon recruiters because we have an ex-Amazon recruiter working in Careers, and I believe they’re working hard to establish a more direct relationship with Google too. We’ve had successful full time and internship placements at both from our cohort. The truth is in comparison to other schools, recruitment at Oxford probably wasn’t as great - for example, if you were to go to LBS, doing coffee meetings or networking lunches was much easier because you're already based in London. But that being said, we had a lot of amazing perks like college life, a programme that’s dedicated to social impact, and things like the Oxford Union that schools like LBS just don’t have. Everything is a trade-off.
Also I have questions on the colleges..... please explain how they are really to the MBA and fundingeyoxfordmba: Sakys and I both answered questions about colleges on this thread - I’d suggest you have a read here! :
https://gmatclub.com/forum/chat-with-ox ... 06159.htmlIf either of you went to SBS from outside the UK, how would you describe the experience of relocating for school. How much assistance did the school provide you during the move?sakys: Yes I moved from outside of UK. The accommodation is handled by your college admin and it was really smooth for me as I got allocated a residence right by the Business school and everything was done remotely. If you are renting a private apartment then you basically need to do your own search.
How suitable do you think Oxford’s MBA program is for career switchers in the absence of internship opportunities. How many from your class were career switchers?eyoxfordmba: Speaking from personal experience, career switching was hard. A lot of the Careers part of the year was self-driven, but I think that’s probably something expected from every school. You can’t really expect the Careers team to hand you a job or a career path - you really have to do your own research and self-reflection to understand where you want to go next in your life. But - not to pat my own back! - I think I’ve been pretty successful in leveraging Careers and opportunities in the greater Oxford network to pivot my career in a pretty drastic way. It really was all up to me to go to the right talks, follow up with the speakers, do networking calls, reflect, reach out to careers about fixing my CV and practicing for interviews, etc. and it’s all worked out for me!09:18 am
I just wanted to know more about the job opportunities for post MBA students in the UK, especially for international students?sakys: In my experience it depends on what your goals are and based on that you really need to focus on the regions and the organisations. For example, if you looking for PE, VC and Start-ups then London is the best suited region for that and you will have tons of opportunities networking over there. Based on the opportunities that we have seen on our career boards, I can say the opportunities are there. But you need to do your research properly, the big firms are generally sponsoring a lot of visas and are pretty much open to international students.
Being a one year program, there is so less time for you to juggle between classes, internships, networking and OBNs, how did you prioritize everything? Do you have any advice for the incoming batch of 2020?sakys: Our class did a great job here. We had a group of students who rolled out a specific calendar and synced it with major events and activities. And we all pitched in from time to time to contribute there. SO we had a good amount of info. In general, you will need to prioritize because at any given time there will be 4-5 events happening both in and out of SBS. SO if you know about your goals and what you want to get out of Oxford it helps.
eyoxfordmba: You’re spot on. The whole year was tainted with the constant feeling of FOMO because you absolutely cannot do it all. I’m serious. The outgoing class kept telling us this and I ignored them because my whole life I’ve always juggled a million things all the time successfully... but boy was I wrong! The best advice I can give is build in time to reflect - maybe once a week for 30 minutes - with either yourself or someone you trust to help you just articulate what is important to you and how those revelations are going to impact your future decisions. For example, I spontaneously went to a college talk about robotics one evening, and I realised it made me so happy. I decided - moving forward, if there was another talk about AI and robotics, I was going to skip class and go to it (don’t tell our Dean I said this!). A few weeks later, the CTO of Ocado came to our school and I did what I promised myself... and ended up landing a job at Ocado! It’s all about reflecting and listening to what makes you happy, and then just adjusting your life as you grow and change.
I was curious to know about the GPA requirements that Oxford has listed - is it for overall GPA or particular to major GPA?sakys: Straight from SBS web "welcome applications from candidates with a First or Upper Second Class (2.1) undergraduate degree or GPA of at least 3.5/4.0 (or the international equivalent). However, we will also consider candidates with lower degree classifications if they demonstrate strong career progression and competitive GMAT/GRE scores. "
Does the university assist a prospective student in finding accommodation at a reasonable cost?sakys: You can opt for university accommodation or the college accommodation, both are designed (with facilities etc.) with students in mind.
eyoxfordmba: No that’s largely up to you. They will provide you with approximate living cost projections for the year, but that’s about it.
what was the highest work ex of Any of your classmate , was there any above 10 years, You said average is 5 years, seems oxford look for <30 ageeyoxfordmba: There was a HUGE range of people with different levels of work experience. Oxford was SO great about making our class super diverse in so many different ways, including work experience and time spent working! We had a wonderful classmate who was definitely well into his 40s... he had been out of the workforce for 8 years because he was raising his 3 daughters, and he was one of the first students to get a full-time offer!
sakys: Yup I know this guy personally and he was really great in calming nerves when people went crazy in finance electives. I personally joined Oxford after 9 years of work ex. so I can say that Oxford likes to create a mix.
Who are the major recruiters for those interested in working in the social sector - do orgs like UN, UNICEF recruit at SBS?eyoxfordmba: I’m not sure how actively those specific nonprofits recruit directly from the SBS cohort, but we have a social impact focus in our program, both in terms of learning content and recruitment. I think this is something quite unique to Oxford and if you do a little proactive work on your end, I’m sure you’ll be able to leverage the Oxford relationships to land some connections to a UN or UNICEF role! I do know there was one girl from our class from Canada who successfully secured an internship with UNESCO, but I think that was largely driven through her own efforts.
I am aware that oxford is open to candidates above 30. Can you please let me know the approx percentage of students in the 30+ category?eyoxfordmba: It’s hard to say but I don’t think age was really a huge topic of discussion among the classmates! We were all more interested in learning about each other’s pasts and futures, and from my experience age was a very uninteresting subject. Don’t feel like being 30+ is going to hold you back from fitting in!
How oxford MBA courses can be better than other bschools in uk?sakys: I can respond on how the courses are different. SO Oxford has a nice mix of academicians and practitioners. For example in our M&A class the lectures were divided where you get the theories from your aca prof. and then there is the experiential learning with the prac prof. ANd it was incredible. We actually went through cases of real companies in M&A and or turnarounds. Additionally, Oxford offer electives in AI, Lean Sigma, MAchine Learning which preps you for the coming changes.
Apart from the IB and consulting roles, do any other roles weigh in a GMAT score more heavily than a GRE score.? Also from an admissions point does applying with a GRE score hurt selection chances at sbs?eyoxfordmba: I’m not aware of any other sectors that really care about the GMAT. I didn’t apply to any finance or consulting roles and that has meant that I haven’t even thought about my GMAT since I submitted my applications 1.5 years ago
What are the silent features oxford mba ,how it can help an international student to land in job?sakys: This is definitely the Oxford network and its reputation I will say.09:32 am
Can the difficulties faced in switching careers also be attributed to the 1-year course? Do you feel that the chances would have improved if the duration of the program was extended to 2 years?eyoxfordmba: That’s a great question - a 1-year program made some of the careers stuff really difficult to navigate. Those interested in structured hiring really only have one shot at doing it and that’s right when you start the program. I missed out on all of that because consulting and banking and finance were all so foreign to me - I had no idea they started recruiting so early! But then again, there were benefits to doing a 1-year program - I managed to secure a summer internship for the last 3 months of the program and because I was done with my MBA at the end of my internship, it made negotiating a conversion into full time a lot easier.
sakys: This again relates to your experience and skill sets. If you already are in the bracket of 8-10 years of experience then you really need to show your transferable skills to the employers. If there are transferable skill-sets and you can depict that you can add value, then you can pivot from your 1 year programme also. I am currently interviewing for finance roles and by qualification and experience I am an engineer.
I was curious to know about the GPA requirements that Oxford has listed - is it for overall GPA or particular to major GPA?eyoxfordmba: yikes I don’t know about this... I think probably just your overall GPA? The impression that I get from admissions is that GPA and GMAT are important because they just serve as a threshold for consideration. Once you reach a decent score on both, they move on to look at your candidate profile. I’d say of all the schools I interviewed at, oxford had the most interest in my essays and my interview and the least amount of interest in my scores.
What are the best streams of MBA in oxford? I am looking for strategy and banking or strategy & finance or strategy with entrepreneurshipsakys: Oxford MBA is a general management course but you can tailor it to your needs. For example, after the core courses I chose 8 finance electives because I wanted to explore the finance world and take a dive there.
eyoxfordmba: I think the best thing about the Oxford MBA is that it’s so diverse! It’s really hard to say what Oxford is "best" at because it’s kind of got a finger in every honey jar. That being said, I think one of the most unique things about the Oxford MBA is our focus on social impact, so if you’re interested in social impact, your’e likely to find more classmates with a similar interest at Oxford than maybe some other programmes.
That’s not to say that your interest in strategy/banking/finance/entrepreneurship will be ill fitted! Our classmates are all so diverse that you’ll certainly find others who go for the same thing as you, and you’ll certainly be able to find the right resources that would suit your interests.
I wanted to know if there will be any impacts on the International students’ policies and careers due to Brexit?eyoxfordmba: If I knew, people would be paying me the big bucks to consult! the truth is we don’t know how Brexit is going to affect everything. We’ll just have to wait until 31 October and see!
How difficult is it to manage two majors for MBA? Is there an option for a minor?eyoxfordmba: We don’t have majors or minors. Everyone just comes out with the same degree!
Please share your thoughts on the pharmaceutical/ healthcare industry focus at Said or future from Oxford MBAeyoxfordmba: I don’t think there was any particular emphasis on either of these industries, but there were individuals who were working in either in our cohort who have successfully returned to these fields post-graduation. We weirdly had quite a few doctors/surgeons/medical practitioners in our class... but many of these individuals were maybe doctors who wanted to become the head of their department or doctors who wanted to open up a nonprofit in a rural country, etc., so the MBA made sense for them.
sakys: I was amazed when I saw so many doctors in our class and that too after attending Harvard etc. Well Oxford has some very good relationships with pharma majors e.g. GSK came to recruit for 2 programmes. One of our batchmate started his own medical diagnosis start up company in Asia and other has a medical device business in Brazil.
How much time students spend on networking/internship research/interview prep in comparison with time spent on classes/study?eyoxfordmba: It depended on the student! Some students went to all the classes, did all the class prep, and really only looked at recruitment stuff once or twice a week; some went to one or two classes a week and spent the whole week doing job-related stuff! The year is yours to do what you want with it.
sakys: To be honest this is where your prioritization comes into action. We regularly had networking events both on campus and off campus and they were scheduled taking classes into mind. However, people did network and interview during class time (make sure you drop an e-mail to the prof)
Is oxford more focused for Finance and consulting as are other top B schools, How would you rank their career service or networking for marketing/ retail or brand management field. Did you confronted any recruiter looking for this kind of profile candidate?eyoxfordmba: I’ll defer to @Saysk to talk about his experience with Finance. Marketing wasn’t a huge focus for recruitment at Oxford, but there were some really interesting Marketing Research going on with the professors. I took an incredible class on AI & Advanced Analytics in Marketing and Retail, taught by our Head of Marketing and it was a really good class. From what I recall there weren’t many MBA recruitment for Marketing roles... but I think that’s in general in the market there aren’t those kinds of structured role for MBAs... not to say you can’t go into Marketing post-MBA! There just wasn’t structured hiring the way IB/Finance etc. had
sakys: Well, Oxford has a big focus on social impact careers and it definitely supports each streams through specialised tools. For example, for finance there is a finance lab where you get prepared for all your wall street stuff and you actually learn from big **** in IB, similarly for consulting and entrepreneurship there are programmes which would help you to enhance your skills and make that connection.
For me I made some great connection in my Entrepreneurship finance class while actually having lunch with pretty famous Fintech CEOs and angel investors and VC That was amazing.
Is an Oxford JD more valuable than an Oxford MBA?eyoxfordmba: Again, I think it depends on what industry you want to go into... if you want to be a lawyer, I’d say get your JD... if you want to a be a CEO, don’t waste your time with a JD.
Can you tell us more about the culture and atmosphere at Oxford Said?eyoxfordmba: I think one of the best things about the oxford culture is how open and diverse it is. We were a class of 315 students from 66 different nationalities, and we all really made an effort to celebrate that diversity. I have never been in such a vibrant class and I really have to tip my hat off to the Oxford recruitment team for making this a huge priority. Our cohort was really respectful and kind to one another - even in times of high stress, like recruitment or exam season, classmates would help each other prepare... I’ve never loved so many people this intensely before!
Did you find any relevance of GMAT score, undergrad GPA and accomplishments, or previous work experience, in placement interviews? Which areas these interviews generally revolve around?sakys: My international experience and work on diverse projects with the management team definitely helped me. The interviewer really pinned me on my roles and learning during my interview. So I guess in my case the international experience and diversity in work projects were some big pillars.
eyoxfordmba: Interviews had a lot of emphasis on discussing what you had written in your essays - so how your experience has affected your decisions to pursue your MBA, what an MBA would mean for your future career goals, and how you think you will leverage the MBA to move forward. It was a challenging interview - my interviewer grilled me hard about my goals and I think they’re really trying to ensure that you’re matching up to the candidate profile that you wrote about it in your application. They didn’t talk about my GMAT score or GPA during my interview, but I think I knew one classmate who had a question pop up because her Math and Verbal score were vastly different, and they just wanted to make sure she was prepared for the level of analytical requirements there would be throughout the year.
Any major regret(s) about going to Oxford? Are there any other programs which you feel might have been more suited to your current career level/industry?sakys: A nice question I absolutely loved the peer support, the diversity in Oxford and more importantly it helped me to keep an open mind to explore the path forward. But if you already know your goal and your path forward then it might help in researching on all the b-schools and their respective niche. For me, I am happy that I did it in Oxford.
eyoxfordmba: Absolutely not - no regrets at all. That’s not to say that Oxford is perfect - there are so many things that need to be improved in Oxford and there are so many other Bschools out there who do different things better than us, but Oxford is a magical place. The wider university network is so robust and vibrant with opportunity - you would never get that at an INSEAD or LBS! I remember a classmate of ours was working on a supply chain idea for the plastics industry and she managed to connect with the chemistry department at Oxford to discuss new technologies, etc. I challenge you to find similar resources at another Bschool!