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Consumer advocate: It is generally true, at least in this state, that lawyers who advertise a specific service charge less for that service than lawyers who do not advertise. It is also true that each time restrictions on the advertising of legal services have been eliminated, the number of lawyers advertising their services has increased and legal costs to consumers have declined in consequence. However, eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs. Lawyers would no longer have an incentive to lower their fees when they begin advertising and if no longer required to specify fee arrangements, many lawyers who now advertise would increase their fees.

In the consumer advocate’s argument, the two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a generalization that the consumer advocate accepts as true; the second is presented as a consequence that follows from the truth of that generalization.

(B) The first is a pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate argues will be repeated in the case at issue; the second acknowledges a circumstance in which that pattern would not hold.

(C) The first is pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate predicts will not hold in the case at issue; the second offers a consideration in support of that prediction.

(D) The first is evidence that the consumer advocate offers in support of a certain prediction; the second is that prediction.

(E) The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the main position that the consumer advocate defends; the second is that position.

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Its a clean C.

1st statement is a cause and effect statement.
2nd gives a reasoning for the conclusion drawn by the advocate.

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i managed this in 1:45 min, need to do something about the questions in which the stimulus is lengthy,

will post the oa after some more discussion
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C in little more 2 minutes but this kind of CR are time consuming, the stimulus is long.........is fairly good.

This kind of question , however, will appear only if someone doing very well, I guess ..)
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Consumer advocate: it is generally true, at least in this state, that lawyers who advertise a specific service
charge less for that service than lawyers who do not advertise. It is also true that each time restrictions on the
advertising of legal services have been eliminated, the number of lawyers advertising their services has
increased and legal costs to consumers have declined in consequence.
However, eliminating the state
requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase
rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs. Lawyers would no longer have an incentive to lower their fees
when they begin advertising and if no longer required to specify fee arrangements, many lawyers who now
advertise would increase their fees.

In the consumer advocate’s argument, the two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?
(A) The first is a generalization that the consumer advocate accepts as true; the second is presented as a
consequence that follows from the truth of that generalization.
(B) The first is a pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate argues will be repeated in the case at
issue; the second acknowledges a circumstance in which that pattern would not hold.
(C) The first is pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate predicts will not hold in the case at issue;
the second offers a consideration in support of that prediction.
(D) The first is evidence that the consumer advocate offers in support of a certain prediction; the second is that
prediction.
(E) The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the main position that the consumer advocate
defends; the second is that position.

OA after discussion, please post your timing too


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it took long time to answer .I took 3.03 mints to answer.In real exam how to handle this type of long argument?I think its C.plz explain the answer in details indicating every part of the argument like premises,counter premises..........

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C in 2:34. What is the average time we should try to answer esch CR question if we aim for Verbal score above 40 ?

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I chose E, which is obviously wrong but I would like to know why C is the correct answer.
Also what does Main Position actually mean and what is the conclusion of the argument?
And in these type of questions where the conclusion is not clear-cut, what is the best approach to identify it?
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I chose E, which is obviously wrong but I would like to know why C is the correct answer.
Also what does Main Position actually mean and what is the conclusion of the argument?
And in these type of questions where the conclusion is not clear-cut, what is the best approach to identify it?
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Consumer advocate: it is generally true, at least in this state, that lawyers who advertise a specific service
charge less for that service than lawyers who do not advertise. It is also true that each time restrictions on the
advertising of legal services have been eliminated, the number of lawyers advertising their services has
increased and legal costs to consumers have declined in consequence. However, eliminating the state
requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase
rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs. Lawyers would no longer have an incentive to lower their fees
when they begin advertising and if no longer required to specify fee arrangements, many lawyers who now
advertise would increase their fees.

The conclusion represents the main thought of the author, indicators may help, but once you reach the end of the argument you should already have a clear idea about the author's position. That idea is the main point and the author's conclusion.

- General statemet
B1 - Adds more to the general statement
- Argues against boldface B1 (main idea of the passage)
B2 - supports the main idea

Additionally: B1 and B2 follow an opposite direction. Since B2 supports the main point and the main point argues against B1.


In the consumer advocate’s argument, the two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a generalization that the consumer advocate accepts as true; the second is presented as a
consequence that follows from the truth of that generalization.
B1 and B2 follow an opposite direction. wrong
(B) The first is a pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate argues will be repeated in the case at
issue; the second acknowledges a circumstance in which that pattern would not hold.
the second supports the main point. wrong
(C) The first is pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate predicts will not hold in the case at issue;
the second offers a consideration in support of that prediction.
Looks good, "prediction" is out main point, B2 supports the main point. B1 is indeed a pattern of cause and effect that won't hold true.
(D) The first is evidence that the consumer advocate offers in support of a certain prediction; the second is that
prediction.
B1 and B2 take a different direction. wrong
(E) The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the main position that the consumer advocate
defends; the second is that position.
The second supports the main position, it is not the main position itself. wrong

P.S. Timing is important but don't get stressed too much, Boldface are hard questions especially for non-natives like me. Figure out an approach that leads you to the correct answer and be consistent with it.
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The trick is to understand the economy of the stimulus. How it is organized and how the parts before in between and after the bold phrase is unfolded.

If you do this, then the answer is pretty straighforward (almost always)

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Consumer advocate: it is generally true, at least in this state, that lawyers who advertise a specific service charge less for that service than lawyers who do not advertise. It is also true that each time restrictions on the advertising of legal services have been eliminated, the number of lawyers advertising their services has increased and legal costs to consumers have declined in consequence. However, eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs. Lawyers would no longer have an incentive to lower their fees when they begin advertising and if no longer required to specify fee arrangements, many lawyers who now advertise would increase their fees.

In the consumer advocate’s argument, the two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a generalization that the consumer advocate accepts as true; the second is presented as a consequence that follows from the truth of that generalization.
(B) The first is a pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate argues will be repeated in the case at issue; the second acknowledges a circumstance in which that pattern would not hold.
(C) The first is pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate predicts will not hold in the case at issue; the second offers a consideration in support of that prediction.
(D) The first is evidence that the consumer advocate offers in support of a certain prediction; the second is that prediction.
(E) The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the main position that the consumer advocate defends; the second is that position.


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Consumer advocate: it is generally true, at least in this state, that lawyers who advertise a specific service charge less for that service than lawyers who do not advertise. It is also true that each time restrictions on the advertising of legal services have been eliminated, the number of lawyers advertising their services has increased and legal costs to consumers have declined in consequence. However, eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs. Lawyers would no longer have an incentive to lower their fees when they begin advertising and if no longer required to specify fee arrangements, many lawyers who now advertise would increase their fees.

In the consumer advocate’s argument, the two portions in boldface play which of the following roles?

(A) The first is a generalization that the consumer advocate accepts as true; the second is presented as a consequence that follows from the truth of that generalization.
(B) The first is a pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate argues will be repeated in the case at issue; the second acknowledges a circumstance in which that pattern would not hold.
(C) The first is pattern of cause and effect that the consumer advocate predicts will not hold in the case at issue; the second offers a consideration in support of that prediction.
(D) The first is evidence that the consumer advocate offers in support of a certain prediction; the second is that prediction.
(E) The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the main position that the consumer advocate defends; the second is that position.

Dear singhvipin1,
I don't know whether you saw the complete discussion at this link:
consumer-advocate-it-is-generally-true-at-least-in-this-113575.html

As a general rule, it's good to do a search for a question to verify whether it has been answered before, rather than just starting a brand new thread for the question.

Does this make sense?
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I picked (D) over (C), because I didn't agree with the fact that BF 2 was a consideration.
How is BF2 a consideration?

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I picked (D) over (C), because I didn't agree with the fact that BF 2 was a consideration.
How is BF2 a consideration?

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The word "consideration" is a funny word. In colloquial speech, it is used to mean "courtesy" --- to show someone some consideration. That usage is far too casual for the GMAT.

In the formal sense, the word "consideration" means: a thought, an idea, an intelligent perspective, or an argument. Any well-thought out statement could be called a "consideration", so in that sense, virtually every sentence that appears in the GMAT CR could be called a "consideration."

Does this make sense?
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Hi Mike,

I have a doubt regarding boldfaced CR question.

Do we need to evaluate what role the two bold faced statements play with regard to Conclusion ?
(or)
Do we have any other method to evaluate these kind of Questions.

As far as this question is concerned, my method of solving the question is this

If we consider "eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs" as Conclusion and then evaluate the two bold faced Statements then we get

a) first bold faced opposes (or) does not hold true
b) Second bold faced statement is in favor (or) Supports the conclusion.

Hence Answer is C.

Mike , could you please tell whether my approach is correct or wrong.

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Hi Mike,

I have a doubt regarding boldfaced CR question.

Do we need to evaluate what role the two bold faced statements play with regard to Conclusion ?
(or)
Do we have any other method to evaluate these kind of Questions.

As far as this question is concerned, my method of solving the question is this

If we consider "eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs" as Conclusion and then evaluate the two bold faced Statements then we get

a) first bold faced opposes (or) does not hold true
b) Second bold faced statement is in favor (or) Supports the conclusion.

Hence Answer is C.

Mike , could you please tell whether my approach is correct or wrong.

Thanks in advance :)

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I'm happy to respond.

First of all, your approach in this question is correct. The sentence you quoted I would call the conclusion, and I agree with your interpretation of the two BF statements.

I would say: in every every every GMAT CR, you should know exactly what the conclusion is. If you don't understand what the conclusion of an argument is, then you don't understand the argument. More than that, you should always understand the role of every single sentence in every single argument, and how it relates to the conclusion. Don't think of boldface questions as a separate category ---- they are simply testing a skill that you should be applying 100% of the time in every sentence of every argument. If you find arguments in which you don't understand the roles of individual sentences, those are fantastic questions to post here on GMAT Club and ask experts for their advice. You are always more than welcome to send me a p.m. asking for my input.

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Thanks Mike for your support :)

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Hi Mike,

I have a doubt regarding boldfaced CR question.

Do we need to evaluate what role the two bold faced statements play with regard to Conclusion ?
(or)
Do we have any other method to evaluate these kind of Questions.

As far as this question is concerned, my method of solving the question is this

If we consider "eliminating the state requirement that legal advertisements must specify fees for specific services would almost certainly increase rather than further reduce consumer’s legal costs" as Conclusion and then evaluate the two bold faced Statements then we get

a) first bold faced opposes (or) does not hold true
b) Second bold faced statement is in favor (or) Supports the conclusion.

Hence Answer is C.

Mike , could you please tell whether my approach is correct or wrong.

Thanks in advance :)

Dear dheeraj24,
I'm happy to respond.

First of all, your approach in this question is correct. The sentence you quoted I would call the conclusion, and I agree with your interpretation of the two BF statements.

I would say: in every every every GMAT CR, you should know exactly what the conclusion is. If you don't understand what the conclusion of an argument is, then you don't understand the argument. More than that, you should always understand the role of every single sentence in every single argument, and how it relates to the conclusion. Don't think of boldface questions as a separate category ---- they are simply testing a skill that you should be applying 100% of the time in every sentence of every argument. If you find arguments in which you don't understand the roles of individual sentences, those are fantastic questions to post here on GMAT Club and ask experts for their advice. You are always more than welcome to send me a p.m. asking for my input.

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Public health advocate: It is generally true that medications that undergo the extensive FDA Phase III clinical safety testing are much safer than less-researched drugs. It is also true that whenever such trials are conducted, fewer people have experienced unexpected harmful side effects, thus reducing public health risks. However, eliminating the requirement that even FDA-tested medications continue to include extensive warnings about individual risk factors would almost certainly harm rather than help public health. Consumers would tend to rely on the FDA’s general certification of safety, and if no longer encouraged to read about individual risks and drug interactions, many patients would suffer serious adverse reactions.

The two bolded statements serve what purpose in the context of the public health advocate’s argument?

A. The first is a general pattern that the advocate accepts as true; the second is said to be a natural consequence that must follow if the general pattern applies.

B. The first is a causal relationship that the advocate believes will happen again in the case at issue; the second admits a situation in which the relationship
would not hold.

C. The first describes a cause and effect relationship that the advocate believes will not hold in the case at issue;
the second suggests a consideration that supports that belief.

D. The first is proof that the advocate uses to support a prediction; the second states that prediction.

E. The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the stance that the advocate supports; the second is that stance.
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Public health advocate: It is generally true that medications that undergo the extensive FDA Phase III clinical safety testing are much safer than less-researched drugs. It is also true that whenever such trials are conducted, fewer people have experienced unexpected harmful side effects, thus reducing public health risks. However, eliminating the requirement that even FDA-tested medications continue to include extensive warnings about individual risk factors would almost certainly harm rather than help public health. Consumers would tend to rely on the FDA’s general certification of safety, and if no longer encouraged to read about individual risks and drug interactions, many patients would suffer serious adverse reactions.

The two bolded statements serve what purpose in the context of the public health advocate’s argument?

A. The first is a general pattern that the advocate accepts as true; the second is said to be a natural consequence that must follow if the general pattern applies.

B. The first is a causal relationship that the advocate believes will happen again in the case at issue; the second admits a situation in which the relationship
would not hold.

C. The first describes a cause and effect relationship that the advocate believes will not hold in the case at issue;
the second suggests a consideration that supports that belief.

D. The first is proof that the advocate uses to support a prediction; the second states that prediction.

E. The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the stance that the advocate supports; the second is that stance.

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A. The first is a general pattern that the advocate accepts as true; the second is said to be a natural consequence that must follow if the general pattern applies. Second part wrong, it is not the natural consequence if people are suffering less risks during trial.

B. The first is a causal relationship that the advocate believes will happen again in the case at issue; the second admits a situation in which the relationship
would not hold. People suffer less at trails (cause) ---> FDA removes warning signs and hence no adverse effect on people (effect). first part ---> will happen again? (wrong). Second part relationship holds, the consequence isn't explained at all.

C. The first describes a cause and effect relationship that the advocate believes will not hold in the case at issue;
the second suggests a consideration that supports that belief. People suffer less at trails (cause) ---> FDA removes warning signs and hence no adverse effect on people (effect). Effect doesnt hold --> it will affect people. So first part right. Second shows how it will not hold. So correct.

D. The first is proof that the advocate uses to support a prediction; the second states that prediction. People suffering less in trials isnt the proof. Its consequent effect is at the core of the argument. What could happen if FDA removes warning signs. So first part is wrong. Second is a prediction. So correct. But as a whole D is wrong.

E. The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the stance that the advocate supports; the second is that stance. the advocate takes a stance or stands with the belief that removing warning signs will affect people badly. First doesnt acknowledge that stand. it is a mere fact. it does nothing. its consequence affects the advocates's stand. so E is out.

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Touch choice between C and E

However, choice E states the 1st part that it likely seems wrong relationship <= against the statement in the argument

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Public health advocate: It is generally true that medications that undergo the extensive FDA Phase III clinical safety testing are much safer than less-researched drugs. It is also true that whenever such trials are conducted, fewer people have experienced unexpected harmful side effects, thus reducing public health risks. However, eliminating the requirement that even FDA-tested medications continue to include extensive warnings about individual risk factors would almost certainly harm rather than help public health. Consumers would tend to rely on the FDA’s general certification of safety, and if no longer encouraged to read about individual risks and drug interactions, many patients would suffer serious adverse reactions.

The two bolded statements serve what purpose in the context of the public health advocate’s argument?

A. The first is a general pattern that the advocate accepts as true; the second is said to be a natural consequence that must follow if the general pattern applies.
=>The 2nd part is totally wrong. The advocates mention with the signal of contrast "however"
B. The first is a causal relationship that the advocate believes will happen again in the case at issue; the second admits a situation in which the relationship
would not hold.
=> The 1st part is wrong, the 2nd part is right
C. The first describes a cause and effect relationship that the advocate believes will not hold in the case at issue;
the second suggests a consideration that supports that belief.
=> Correct answer
D. The first is proof that the advocate uses to support a prediction; the second states that prediction.
=> The 1st does not support the prediction
E. The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the stance that the advocate supports; the second is that stance.
=> Nope

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Public health advocate: It is generally true that medications that undergo the extensive FDA Phase III clinical safety testing are much safer than less-researched drugs. It is also true that whenever such trials are conducted, fewer people have experienced unexpected harmful side effects, thus reducing public health risks. However, eliminating the requirement that even FDA-tested medications continue to include extensive warnings about individual risk factors would almost certainly harm rather than help public health. Consumers would tend to rely on the FDA’s general certification of safety, and if no longer encouraged to read about individual risks and drug interactions, many patients would suffer serious adverse reactions.

The two bolded statements serve what purpose in the context of the public health advocate’s argument?

A. The first is a general pattern that the advocate accepts as true; the second is said to be a natural consequence that must follow if the general pattern applies.

B. The first is a causal relationship that the advocate believes will happen again in the case at issue; the second admits a situation in which the relationship
would not hold.

C. The first describes a cause and effect relationship that the advocate believes will not hold in the case at issue;
the second suggests a consideration that supports that belief.

D. The first is proof that the advocate uses to support a prediction; the second states that prediction.

E. The first acknowledges a consideration that weighs against the stance that the advocate supports; the second is that stance.

picked D.
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