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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it
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Hey All,

You guys have mostly rocked this, but I just wanted to add one quick thing about possessives.

Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s
and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

This is a comparison question (which we know because we see the word THAN). So we need to work out what the two things are we want to compare. The first one (the one we can't change), is Bela Bartok's music. Because we have a possessive, we need to parallel that.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it
ANSWER: The "music" part after Bartok is understood whenever you use possessives with an apostrophe s.

(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he
PROBLEM: Comparison is great, but "he" is wrong. Even though it may look like Bela Bartok is in this sentence, he isn't! He's just a possessive adjective modifying music. Pronouns can ONLY refer back to nouns, not adjectives!

(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it
PROBLEM: No need for the "is", but it's also the wrong tense. "Has proved" is the main verb here, so we're in the present perfect. If anything, we would want to keep that tense (i.e. Stravinsky's has). But there's no reason to have them at all. I can just say "I am stronger than you". I don't need to say "I am stronger than you are."

(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he
PROBLEM: We have no possessive here. Remeber, Bartok isn't actually in this sentence. Bartok is just an adjective. So we can't compare anything to Stravinsky and Schonberg, who are people. "He" also doesn't

(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it
PROBLEM: Same as above.

Hope that helps!

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Should be A.

Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it Correct
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he Béla Bartók’s music is the subject and not Béla Bartók.
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he Wrong comparison
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it Wrong comparison
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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.


And we are in for a beautiful comparison again :)

Intended meaning:
We are comparing music by BB, IS and AS.
As per author, although the music by BB is less popular and less influential
than by other two, the music by BB is equally important.

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(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it

Comparision hold good between music by all three, parallelism showing features of BB's music
(less popular, less influential but not less important) is grammatically and logically parallel.
It here correctly refers to BB's music. No pronoun ambiguity here. Hang on to A.

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(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he

The usage of HE is incorrect. The pronoun (he) can refer to a person, not a possessive noun
e.g. Roy's chair or Roy's guitar

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(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it

The comparison goes off-table here, with the introduction of verb: is

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(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he

We cannot compare BB's music with IS and AS. We either compare music by all three artists
or three artists themselves. The pronoun he is incorrect for reasons explained in (B)

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(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it

Again a mess of comparison as in D
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So we can clearly cut option B and D becz we are talking about Bb's music and not bb.
Now, we are left with A,C,E
E has missed 's in Stravinsky
And C has used is. Hence both are wrong.
We are now left with A
Hence, A is correct

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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.


IMO A.

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Key to Solve :-
We are comparing A's Music with B and C. Keeping this is mind, we move on to answer choices.


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(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it

Correct piece of sentence. Béla Bartók’s music , Stravinsky’s, Schonberg’s all three refer to music and not to name of the person. Also it correctly refers to Béla Bartók’s music.

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(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he

"He" is incorrect here as no person is mentioned in the whole sentence. Only the person's music is highlighted. Incorrect

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(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it

Awkward construction by using is after Stravinsky’s and Schonberg’s. Incorrect choice. We have a better choice A.

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(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he

Comparison of Béla Bartók’s music with Person.(Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg ). Incorrect Comparison.

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(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it

Comparison of Béla Bartók’s music with Person.(Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg ). Incorrect Comparison.
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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it

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In B and D he is the error no antecedent
In E wrong comparision Béla Bartók’s music compared with Stravinsky
Left with A and C
There is the difference of is
I feel A is correct as BB' music correctly compared with S's
Why do we need that is ? hence C rejected
A is the answer
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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it - Correct
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he - Pronoun he can't refer to Béla Bartók ’s, which is possessive
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it - usage of "Arnold Schonberg’s is" is incorrect
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he - Illogical comparison - music and person
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it - Illogical comparison - music and person


https://gmatclub.com/forum/although-she ... 08881.html

Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. ---> “she” – a pronoun – refers to “Elizabeth Barrett Browning”, which only appears in the possessive or the adjective form. Therefore, in this question, a pronoun is referring to anything other than a noun.

1.So, can we actually confidently reject B on the basis of a pronoun trying to refer to possessive? But the transition from the comparison of music to "he is no less important" seems awkward and seems incomplete.

2. Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he is no less important than Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg --> I think this sentence will be correct as per current GMAT standards?

3. Also, in sentence 2, if the independent clause is changed to "he is no less important than them", then will it be incorrect? (since Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg is not a compound subject in the sentence and only its possessives are present.)

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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it

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Choice A correctly compares the music of the three composers mentioned. In D and E, the music of Bartok is illogically compared to the other two composers themselves. The pro­noun he in B and D is incorrect because the subject of the sentence the pronoun refers to is Bartok's music, not Bartok. Choice C is wordy and awkward.
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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it - Correct
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he - Pronoun he can't refer to Béla Bartók ’s, which is possessive
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it - usage of "Arnold Schonberg’s is" is incorrect
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he - Illogical comparison - music and person
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it - Illogical comparison - music and person


https://gmatclub.com/forum/although-she ... 08881.html

Although Elizabeth Barrett Browning's success was later overshadowed by that of her husband, among her contemporaries she was considered the better poet. ---> “she” – a pronoun – refers to “Elizabeth Barrett Browning”, which only appears in the possessive or the adjective form. Therefore, in this question, a pronoun is referring to anything other than a noun.

1.So, can we actually confidently reject B on the basis of a pronoun trying to refer to possessive? But the transition from the comparison of music to "he is no less important" seems awkward and seems incomplete.

My understanding is and my experience indicates that we can no longer confidently reject a choice simply because a pronoun refers to a possessive.

At the same time, in this case, as you indicated, A would probably be preferred, as the transition from "music" to "he" does not make much sense. Even so, given today's GMAT standards regarding this type of structure, whether A or B is better would not be entirely clear.


2. Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he is no less important than Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg --> I think this sentence will be correct as per current GMAT standards?

I believe so as well.

3. Also, in sentence 2, if the independent clause is changed to "he is no less important than them", then will it be incorrect? (since Igor Stravinsky and Arnold Schonberg is not a compound subject in the sentence and only its possessives are present.)

First, in your example, you need "they" rather than "them", as "he is no less important than they" is a shortened version of "he is no less important than they are."

Regarding your question, I think that, assuming "they" were used, your example is not clearly incorrect. In GMAT SC correct answers, there are often debatably incorrect structures, and I think that the structure in your example would not on its own be a clear reason to eliminate a choice, at least on today's GMAT.

If there were a choice that were somehow clearly better, then your example could be a wrong answer, or part of an answer that might be considered less effective overall than the OA. If there were only clearly flawed other choices, then your example could be the correct answer. I lean toward the idea that your example would be considered OK, as reference to a possessive seems to be accepted on the GMAT currently, and given that such a reference is acceptable, who "they" are is clear.


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Even though Béla Bartók’s music has proved less popular than Igor Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it is no less important.

(A) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, it correct pronoun use for music, correct use of the comparison of music
(B) Stravinsky’s and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s, he wrong pronoun use, he seems to refer to the composer
(C) Stravinsky’s is and less influential than Arnold Schonberg’s is, it - awkward
(D) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, he - is comparing the music to the actual person. This is wrong.
(E) Stravinsky and not as influential as Arnold Schonberg, it - is comparing the music to the actual person. This is wrong.
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