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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


(A) Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(B) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had fewer money overall.

(C) Even though Carter had less quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

(D) Even though Carter had less quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(E) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


(A)
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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.
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Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had fewer money overall.

quarters are being compared with brother clark. Irrelevant comparison. ELIMINATED

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Even though Carter had less quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

quarters are countable and less cannot be used. Less is used for uncountable things and fewer is used for countable things. So fewer quarters is the correct choice. Also quarters are being compared with brother clark. Irrelevant comparison. ELIMINATED

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Even though Carter had less quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

quarters are countable and less cannot be used. Less is used for uncountable things and fewer is used for countable things. So fewer quarters is the correct choice. ELIMINATED

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Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

quarters are being compared with brother clark. Irrelevant comparison. ELIMINATED

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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


(A) Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(B) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had fewer money overall.
- "money" is non countable : for conuntable = fewer ; for non countable= less

(C) Even though Carter had less quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

(D) Even though Carter had less quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(E) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.[/quote]
- This seems as if "clark" was in Carter's piggybankk !!
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Here "quarters" is countable; therefore use of fewer is correct.
And we are talking about total money; thus, money is uncountable. Use of less is correct.
Sentence construction is correct in A and D.

A fulfills all three condition. A is correct choice here.
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I think E is the correct answer. In option A, Carter had fewer quarters is not parallel to than did his brother, Clark. So I have selected E.

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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


1. "Quarters" are countable so we use "fewer" in place of "less" ---- Eliminate C and D.

2. "Money" comes under non countable items so we use "less" and not "fewer" ---- Eliminate B.

3. "Clark" is not in the piggy bank. So misplaced modifier ---- Eliminate B, C, and E.

4. Comparison is in between number of quarters both brothers have and not in between quarters and Clark ----- Eliminate B, C, and E.

Remember that point 3 and 4 have two different errors.



(A) Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggy bank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


(B) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had fewer money overall.

(C) Even though Carter had less quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

(D) Even though Carter had less quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(E) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.
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Answer is A .

Fewer is right , less is wrong .

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I think E is the correct answer. In option A, Carter had fewer quarters is not parallel to than did his brother, Clark. So I have selected E.

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Could you please help me to understand how two parts which are compared here are parallel.

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ArupRS - Let me first try to help you.

Fewer vs less - Question is about quarters and they are countable. So C and D is wrong.

ellipsis - B and E fall into this category. If you want to know about the concept go through following links.
https://e-gmat.com/blogs/ellipses-in-co ... ing-verbs/
https://gmatclub.com/forum/ellipsis-sub ... 46823.html

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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

I am not sure why you thought these two are not in parallel. both parts are in past tense. Did you thought 'had' part in past perfect tense. two actions are compared over here and both are in past tense. for soving this question you need info on ellipsis, which can be found on above links.
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ArupRS - Let me first try to help you.

Fewer vs less - Question is about quarters and they are countable. So C and D is wrong.

ellipsis - B and E fall into this category. If you want to know about the concept go through following links.
https://e-gmat.com/blogs/ellipses-in-co ... ing-verbs/
https://gmatclub.com/forum/ellipsis-sub ... 46823.html

Lets come to your question now.
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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

I am not sure why you thought these two are not in parallel. both parts are in past tense. Did you thought 'had' part in past perfect tense. two actions are compared over here and both are in past tense. for soving this question you need info on ellipsis, which can be found on above links.



aragonn : Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. I thought comparison should be like - Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did had his brother Clark
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I thought comparison should be like - Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did had his brother Clark

ArupRS , just to add one detail to aragonn 's answer:

The construction that you thought was wrong is both correct and common.
The verbs do, have, and be can perform many roles in a sentence.
Those verbs get confusing. :)

Some form of the verb "to do" can substitute for any other verb in English except to be, and the first verb cannot be an auxiliary i.e., cannot be coupled with other verbs/verbals.

Correct answer A contains the verb did, which is parallel to had,
but the option may look strange unless we realize that had is a simple past tense main noun, not an auxiliary (not a helping verb).

Had/have/has as a "main" verb can mean possess, own, experience, and more.
Had in this sentence is an active noun. Carter is doing something.

Correct: I had plans to travel from Paris to Florence, as did he.

-- The Oxford Dictionary Online, here contains seven definitions of have (or had, or has, etc.) as a main verb.
By "main verb" I mean a verb that stands on its own or a verb that is not an auxiliary (helping) verb.
The examples in Oxford are good.
-- Another definition can be found HERE.

Non-native speakers should study what have as a main verb can mean. Doing so will prevent a lot of confusion. :-)

• When can did substitute for had? When had is the main verb.

Had in the cases below is a main verb that means to possess or own.
What is Carter's action? Possessing quarters.
Did can substitute for had because both are past tense.

-- Correct: Carter had fewer quarters than Clark did.
-- Correct: Carter had fewer quarters than did Clark.

did cannot substitute for had if had is an auxiliary verb.
Had in the cases below is an auxiliary verb and cannot be replaced with a one-word "to do" verb (do, does, did).
-- Wrong: Carter had collected fewer quarters than Clark did.
-- Wrong: Carter has been collecting quarters longer than Clark does.

Finally, the construction that initially you did not like is fairly common on the GMAT.
The subject/verb inversion can look strange, as can the substitution of did for had, but both are correct.

Correct: Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark . . .
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Did you thought 'had' part in past perfect tense

Indeed, this is a common confusion. had is used as a simple past tense verb and not as as past perfect tense.

In this sentence, had basically denotes an act of possession and hence, is used as an action verb here.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this concept of has/have/had. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.
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ArupRS wrote:
I thought comparison should be like - Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did had his brother Clark

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ArupRS[/url] , just to add one detail to aragonn 's answer:

The construction that you thought was wrong is both correct and common.
The verbs do, have, and be can perform many roles in a sentence.
Those verbs get confusing. :)

The verb "to do" can substitute for any other verb in English, but the first verb cannot be an auxiliary
i.e. cannot coupled with other verbs/verbals.

Had/have/has as a "main" verb (not an auxiliary such as has been, had saved, etc.)

-- The Oxford Dictionary Online, here contains seven definitions of have as a main verb.
The examples are good.
-- Another definition Cambridge Dictionary Online is HERE.

• When did can substitute for had? If had is the main verb.
Had in the cases below is a main verb that means to possess or own.
Did can substitute for had.
-- Correct: Carter had fewer quarters than Clark did.
-- Correct: Carter had fewer quarters than did Clark.

• When did cannot substitute for had? If had is an auxiliary verb.
Had in the cases below is an auxiliary verb and cannot be replaced with a one-word to do verb (has, have, had).
-- Wrong: Carter had collected fewer quarters than Clark did.
-- Wrong: Carter has been collecting quarters longer than Clark does.

Finally, the construction that you did not like initially is fairly common on the GMAT.
The subject verb inversion can look strange, as can the substitution of did for had, but both are correct.

Correct: Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark . . .


generis : awesome explanation. Cleared all my doubts. Thank you so much.

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aragonn wrote:
Did you thought 'had' part in past perfect tense

Indeed, this is a common confusion. had is used as a simple past tense verb and not as as past perfect tense.is
In this sentence, had basically denotes an act of possession and hence, is used as an action verb here.

p.s. Our book EducationAisle Sentence Correction Nirvana discusses this concept of has/have/had. Have attached the corresponding section of the book, for your reference.


Although I didn't think that "had" was in the past perfect tense, I missed to treat it as an action verb. I couldn't differentiate b/w main verb and auxiliary verb. This confusion has been cleared by generis.

I have gone thru the pdf that you have attached. This is a very good piece of writing to clear the common confusion from which most of the GMAT aspirants suffer.

Also, the link shared by aragonn helped to understand the intricacies associated with elliptical construction.
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Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.


(A) Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(B) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had fewer money overall.

(C) Even though Carter had less quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.

(D) Even though Carter had less quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

(E) Even though Carter had fewer quarters than his brother, Clark, in his piggybank, Clark had less money overall.


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A. Even though Carter had fewer quarters in his piggybank than did his brother Clark, Clark had less money overall.

This question requires you to access your knowledge of the correct usage of fewer and less. Use fewer when referring to plural entities, such as M&Ms, students, sunflowers, and quarters. Use less to reference singular entities, such as water, damage, appreciation, and money. So the proper construction in this sentence is “fewer quarters” and “less money”; eliminate Choices (B), (C), and (D). The language in Choice (E) is potentially confusing. The descriptive phrase “in his piggybank” seems to refer to Clark rather than the quarters. Choice (A) presents clearer construction.
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