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# For all those who fear from Verbal- lets give it a fight

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25 May 2013, 07:11
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Hello,

English is not my native language and I'm wondering if the OG13 only should be used as a solving question book? Ive got the MGAMAT books, OG13 and OG Verbal so there should not be any problems with the material.

I am also going to read a couple of books while i study the MGMT SC, CR and RC.

As you can see by my question, this is my first time doing the GMAT test.

I think og13 and og verbal are very good for preparation. You can top up with other official materials that u can buy using Gmatprep. Multiple revisions of same material is good.
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25 May 2013, 07:31
Indexir wrote:
Hello,

English is not my native language and I'm wondering if the OG13 only should be used as a solving question book? Ive got the MGAMAT books, OG13 and OG Verbal so there should not be any problems with the material.

I am also going to read a couple of books while i study the MGMT SC, CR and RC.

As you can see by my question, this is my first time doing the GMAT test.

The books you have should be enough for GMAT verbal preparation. I used the Powerscore Bible for CR and found it to be pretty useful.
Solve the OG13 questions once you feel ready with the verbal preparation to avoid wasting precious official questions.
GMAT SC questions are based on pattern recognition more than anything. Stick with the official material and you won't go wrong.
I highly recommend getting the GMAT Prep question pack for verbal practice.
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25 May 2013, 08:07
Thank you guys!

I really appreciate it!
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20 Jun 2013, 14:00
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To whom it may concern,

I m not ashamed to declare that I m quite weak in verbal and as you all know without improving verbal we cannot score well on Gmat even if we get Q51. That's why I have created this thread to share verbal strategy.
I cannot let my dream go away just because I don't know basic grammar rules and cannot master reading skills.

I believe anyone can conquer gmat, anyone can get 750+ its all about fundamentals.
Some people are good at quant and some at verbal, and those lucky kids who are good at both they don't need much time to conquer Gmat. Ultimately we have to build strong fundamentals for either of them to get good score.
Some worked hard during high school and some like me have to do NOW. The reason why few of us score below 700 or 600 is lack of fundamentals and confidence. They ask for just simple english SC and reading skills with high school level quant. Can't we tackle that simple thing? Yes we can but we need to know where we stand and what we want and do the Gap analysis. Be honest with your preparation. Hard work done now will bring fruitful result later just like working out at gym.

One golden advice : Do not practice questions unless you have built strong base of fundamentals, that will be wastage of time and might affect confidence. If you don't believe me just go to "share my gmat experience " section and see how people have improved from even 400 to 700+.

I would like to invite all those who are weak in verbal to share their issues and those who are strong & can help us keep going.

I m coming to the point now.
Verbal has three parts SC, RC , CR.
As per experts SC is very scoring and very easy to improve if we learn the basic rules and practice.
But we cannot neglect the portion of CR and RC. If we can master reading text from the screen I m sure this will improve other two sections as well.

I have read Mgmat SC once though very quickly with no practice. I m going to read it again until I grasp it completely( With help from wren and martin grammar book). Side by side reading fiction books as suggested by BB will be part of my daily routine. Reading those books will not only improve RC skill but also SC section as well.We will get quite familiar with the sentence creation and our ear will detect 50% of the errors. This study of books should not cut the daily study schedule. I will be following 30-70 % rule for quant and verbal. 30% of the time will be spent on gmatclub forum posts and weekend club tests. 70% of the time for Manhattan SC book for SC and powerscore CR bible for CR. For verbal I will follow the slow down strategy given by many experts. In the beginning we should not look for solving the question in 2 minutes, we really cannot do and this will decrease the confidence and we will ruin our preparation.

As per the expert advice creating your notes is very important, if possible on paper. Make proper notes and please don't mind investing some time on it as it will bring fruitful results in future. Next day for 10-15 minutes review the notes and try to remember the things and mark those which are forgotten. Third day again review it and try to remember especially highlighted notes which was difficult to remember.

I m going to follow this strategy blindly and if any one want to join for the improvement of verbal , he is most welcome. I m going to follow manhattan SC and powerscore CR only for SC and CR section.
For RC: Fiction books + daily 1 RC passage.
I apologize for weak grammer and vocab used above.
I hope one day my debrief will have no Grammar mistake.

Suggestions and criticism are must. Please spare a minute for it.

PS: Everyone is different and we have to find our own shortcomings. Try to find it and give it a good fight and those who have similar issues like me can follow this. I m an Indian and ENGLISH is not my mother tongue.

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Pkit wrote:
Wou!
I would like to highlight the importance of golden rule, I have commited this mistake during my prepartion, trying to solve difficult CR and RC questions in less than 2 minutes. DO NOT REPEAT MY MISTAKE! learn fundamentals first and than practice, practice, practice and practice!

joluwarrior wrote:
But 1 thing I will tell you mate --> in this entire phase, do not get bogged down. 17 to 44 is a smooth ride.....it's just that our minds have to be controlled to make that ride smooth...and that's what all of us are aiming at through this forum...It's better to think that "You Can Know" rather than disturbing thoughts that "You Don't Know".

bmillan01 wrote:
Also make sure to read every OG explanation, including why the other options are incorrect. This helped me quite a bit. But, as already mentioned, you first must build up your language skills before you tackle the problems.

PS: bmillan01 scored 730 Q48 V44

Edit: This section will be updated daily with the important replies of users.

i am also not that much good in verbal and following the same approach.
It's really good ...

Thanks
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GMAT verbal had broken some myths i had about english language. Being a voracious reader i thought i could read fast. Nahhhh doesn't look like looking at those RC passages. When I see topics i can't relate to, my mind just boggles some stuff. I do well on topics like business, politics, editorials but when it comes to science, geography, history i am befuddled. I am a logic loving person, love to solve logic puzzles but when it comes to CR arguments that follow logic, i find myself lost within assumptions, premises, conclusions( how can you conclude with 4 lines baahhh!!!). One thing which still holds true since 8th grade is i don't care about grammar, and now i know not caring was a big mistake. So yeah, long way to go but i am working on those areas. Love the way gmat helps on the path of self awareness. Till the next underlined assumptions of my long passages, will see you guys around.

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24 Aug 2013, 06:44
Another test, another poor score in Verbal, Although I am improving the pace of improvement is slow and i need to mover faster as the GMAT date is nearing. I think currently my situation is like a GMAT Test 50 Minutes(Days) remaining and need atleast 8 points increase in Verbal compared to GMAT Prep and 3 Points increase in Quant (:S).....Lets hope I reach there
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10 Dec 2013, 07:21
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

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10 Dec 2013, 14:14
sahilchaudhary wrote:
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

Hi sahilchaudhary,

Sorry to hear that. There is quite an imbalance in your score. Here's my recommendation.

Re-examine the way you are reading RC. Since this appears to be your weakest section - you have the most room for improvement here. Do you "see" the structure of reading passages when you read them? Can you speed read?

Consider, comparing the way you read each passage with the way we read here: http://www.gmatpill.com/practicequestio ... tions.html

Do you notice any differences or similarities? Do you see how focusing on certain transition words can be helpful?

For SC - you say you've one through OG complete twice. Are you sure? Are you really able to go through every single question in that book and get it correct? If you really think so, then prove it. You can record your responses - and also view our video explanations to these questions here: http://www.gmatpill.com/official-guide

Again, pause the video - think through the question, then press play and compare. Do you notice the difference?

Once you can identify how your approach to GMAT might less effective or time-efficient than what we show - then you can begin steps to adjust your thinking process so you can better process verbal questions -- whether SC, CR or RC ones.

Hope you find the above tips helpful. If so, we hope you can consider including the above links to RC videos and OG videos to your blog. Good luck!
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10 Dec 2013, 21:07
sahilchaudhary wrote:
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

From what I gather, your biggest problem is the fall in accuracy in Verbal questions in your actual test vis-a-vis when you practice questions from the OG. I can think of two reasons for this - poor time management or test pressure. Most likely it is a bit of both.

I suggest you do timed section tests first to get your timing on individual question types right. Try 15 SC questions in 18 minutes, 12 CR in 24 minutes, and 4 RC passages in 35-40 minutes. Once you are able to successfully do these within the time limit, only then move to full length tests. Contrary to popular opinion, I also suggest that you do not do questions from the OG or any other source more than once because when you repeat questions, your past performance on this question always keeps playing at your mind and this affects your accuracy. Try the GMAT Paper tests for additional questions or the Princeton/Kaplan/Aristotle Verbal books.

After you have got your timing in place, I suggest you do at least a dozen full length tests. This will help you overcome the nerves or pressure that comes along with the test. My first attempt at the GMAT had also not gone well, mainly because of nerves, but doing a lot of tests greatly helped me get used to the test and nail the it in the second attempt.

Good luck and don't let your spirits sag!
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sahilchaudhary wrote:
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

Hi sahilchaudhary,

Sorry to hear that. There is quite an imbalance in your score. Here's my recommendation.

Re-examine the way you are reading RC. Since this appears to be your weakest section - you have the most room for improvement here. Do you "see" the structure of reading passages when you read them? Can you speed read?

Consider, comparing the way you read each passage with the way we read here: http://www.gmatpill.com/practicequestio ... tions.html

Do you notice any differences or similarities? Do you see how focusing on certain transition words can be helpful?

For SC - you say you've one through OG complete twice. Are you sure? Are you really able to go through every single question in that book and get it correct? If you really think so, then prove it. You can record your responses - and also view our video explanations to these questions here: http://www.gmatpill.com/official-guide

Again, pause the video - think through the question, then press play and compare. Do you notice the difference?

Once you can identify how your approach to GMAT might less effective or time-efficient than what we show - then you can begin steps to adjust your thinking process so you can better process verbal questions -- whether SC, CR or RC ones.

Hope you find the above tips helpful. If so, we hope you can consider including the above links to RC videos and OG videos to your blog. Good luck!

Hi,

RC - I do recognize the structure of the RC passages and whether they are short or long passages. I recognize the pattern of the passage. Being a non native speaker of English, I can speed read but to some extent and in some places.

SC - Though I have done OG twice but if I do it again I think I would not to able to achieve 90-100% accuracy. I don't know why. But, whenever I get any of my question wrong, I review it properly and if there is a new concept I make a note of it in my concept sheet.

I will surely watch the videos from the above link.

Thanks
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sahilchaudhary wrote:
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

From what I gather, your biggest problem is the fall in accuracy in Verbal questions in your actual test vis-a-vis when you practice questions from the OG. I can think of two reasons for this - poor time management or test pressure. Most likely it is a bit of both.

I suggest you do timed section tests first to get your timing on individual question types right. Try 15 SC questions in 18 minutes, 12 CR in 24 minutes, and 4 RC passages in 35-40 minutes. Once you are able to successfully do these within the time limit, only then move to full length tests. Contrary to popular opinion, I also suggest that you do not do questions from the OG or any other source more than once because when you repeat questions, your past performance on this question always keeps playing at your mind and this affects your accuracy. Try the GMAT Paper tests for additional questions or the Princeton/Kaplan/Aristotle Verbal books.

After you have got your timing in place, I suggest you do at least a dozen full length tests. This will help you overcome the nerves or pressure that comes along with the test. My first attempt at the GMAT had also not gone well, mainly because of nerves, but doing a lot of tests greatly helped me get used to the test and nail the it in the second attempt.

Good luck and don't let your spirits sag!

Hi,

Thanks for your kind advice. I would like to clear a few things below.

The way I practice questions is take 10 questions of a particular topic (eg. SC) at a time, then work them out in around 18 minutes. Then I check and review the answers. I follow similar strategy for CR. For RC, I do 1 RC at a time. By doing this way, I get accuracy of 70% in SC and CR and accuracy of 40-70% in RC. But during the mock test, the accuracy drops.

I was not tensed during my real GMAT exam because I had already practised 18 mocks back home in almost real time conditions

What I think the reason of score drop in my real GMAT exam was accuracy. Moreover, SC in the real exam were horrifying. They were too big with most part being underlined and all 5 options were different from one another. This decreased my score to a great extent.

I will surely follow your advice regarding doing 15 SC questions in 18 minutes, but I think my accuracy might drop because I usually would need around 23 minutes to do 15 questions.
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28 May 2014, 09:29
Dear Gurpreet,
I am also an Indian, struggling with verbal and mainly RC.
What should be the starting point for preparing this section?
What are the best sources for daily practice?
Thanks.
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28 May 2014, 11:01
God help me with SC. I am a disaster at it
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29 Oct 2014, 02:36
sahilchaudhary wrote:
Ajax1 wrote:
sahilchaudhary wrote:
SC is a bit of my strong point, CR is just average and RC varies in accuracy from 30% to 70%.

I have studied all the verbal MGMAT strategy verbal guides thrice. Done OG13 twice and VR 2nd Edition once. Watched Ron videos of important concepts for verbal. But, still my verbal not showing much chances of improvement.

While practising SC at home, my accuracy hovers around 60-70%. I am unable to get my SC accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising CR at home, my accuracy hovers around 70%. I am unable to get my CR accuracy beyond 70%.

While practising at home, if I give around 3 minutes per RC question, I get around 50-60% accuracy, but on the mocks or real exam my accuracy drops very much.

I am preparing for the GMAT from the past 16 months and I have given GMAT once on 4th April and got a dismal score of 540 (Q 50 V 15), although in my mocks I was getting around 650 (Q 50 V 28).

From what I gather, your biggest problem is the fall in accuracy in Verbal questions in your actual test vis-a-vis when you practice questions from the OG. I can think of two reasons for this - poor time management or test pressure. Most likely it is a bit of both.

I suggest you do timed section tests first to get your timing on individual question types right. Try 15 SC questions in 18 minutes, 12 CR in 24 minutes, and 4 RC passages in 35-40 minutes. Once you are able to successfully do these within the time limit, only then move to full length tests. Contrary to popular opinion, I also suggest that you do not do questions from the OG or any other source more than once because when you repeat questions, your past performance on this question always keeps playing at your mind and this affects your accuracy. Try the GMAT Paper tests for additional questions or the Princeton/Kaplan/Aristotle Verbal books.

After you have got your timing in place, I suggest you do at least a dozen full length tests. This will help you overcome the nerves or pressure that comes along with the test. My first attempt at the GMAT had also not gone well, mainly because of nerves, but doing a lot of tests greatly helped me get used to the test and nail the it in the second attempt.

Good luck and don't let your spirits sag!

Hi,

Thanks for your kind advice. I would like to clear a few things below.

The way I practice questions is take 10 questions of a particular topic (eg. SC) at a time, then work them out in around 18 minutes. Then I check and review the answers. I follow similar strategy for CR. For RC, I do 1 RC at a time. By doing this way, I get accuracy of 70% in SC and CR and accuracy of 40-70% in RC. But during the mock test, the accuracy drops.

I was not tensed during my real GMAT exam because I had already practised 18 mocks back home in almost real time conditions

What I think the reason of score drop in my real GMAT exam was accuracy. Moreover, SC in the real exam were horrifying. They were too big with most part being underlined and all 5 options were different from one another. This decreased my score to a great extent.

I will surely follow your advice regarding doing 15 SC questions in 18 minutes, but I think my accuracy might drop because I usually would need around 23 minutes to do 15 questions.

I am in a similar situation as far as Verbal is concerned.Although I am getting better at CR,SC is still bothering me.
I have a read a few chapeters in Manhattan SC Guide and watched video lessons in magoosh as well.
usually when it comes to SC,i used a combination of my instinct and of course grammar.Instinct does play a big part for me and often I have seen that when i try to study too much of grammar and SC principles it usually reduces my belief in my instinct.
So,often while solving SC i get torn between grammar and following my judgement,and end up in a mess.
Wonder if there is a middle path where i can bring in all my strengths to the table and have a good crack at SC.
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This would be my first attempt to GMAT, have always been afraid of verbals though. I'm in as well...
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Congratulations Gurpreet. You said it, and you've indeed finally done it. Amazing feat, just because you made a good plan and most importantly stuck with it consistently. Allthe best for your future in ISB. Cheers

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# For all those who fear from Verbal- lets give it a fight

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