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Forty miles to the west of Tucson, a developer attempted to develop an "oasis" glade in the Sonoran Desert. He created a glade that, the developer claims, is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow. In particular, the developer planted several native fruit-bearing plants, such as prickly-pear cactus. Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade
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I like this question, as the answers made me smile.
A. Correct. The claim is 'the created glade is lush and plant-filled as the ambient allows 35° C temperatures' and the presence of the desert animals is not evidence for this claim. B. We don't have information that prove this would be true. I believe the animals would find a way to survive without the artificial glade. C. Just like B, no information provided to prove this. And I think that the shade and water would attract animals anyway, even without fruits. D. Just like B and C. How do we know how much the glade's development costs? And how much the fruit sales are? E. Just like B, C and D, no information about this statement is provided.
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The credited answer is (A). It's unclear exactly what the developer's claim might be ---- probably something along the lines of: "it's possible to build an oasis in the Sonoran Desert." Certainly, the developer demonstrated that building an oasis there was possible, and in a way, his success is a kind of claim. It's absolutely true that the fact that animals come in and eat fruit off the ground does not challenge his claim in any way.
Would those animals have perished if the glade wasn't there? Maybe, maybe not. Desert animals, by definition, survive in the desert: by their nature, are crafty, able to take the measures necessary to survive in such a harsh environment. We have no clear ground to conclude choice (B), so it is incorrect.
The animals that come to the glade eat the fallen fruit, but is that the only reason why they come? Do they also enjoy the shade? the relative moisture? We don't know, but we can't be sure that the only reason the animals come is the fruit. Therefore, if there were only fruitless plants, would the animals stop coming? We don't know. Choice (C) is incorrect.
We don't know anything about this fruit. Is it fruit that humans would even eat? If so, would it command enough of a price to come even close to the cost of the glade? We have no idea about how much the glade costs, nor how it was funded, but apparently money from fruit was not a primary concern. Would the fruit cover the cost of the development? Doubtful, but we really have no idea. Choice (D) is incorrect.
There's definitely some shade in the glade. Does this significantly reduce the ambient temperature? Is that how air currents work in a desert? Is such a drop of ambient temperature characteristic of place of shade within the Sonoran Desert? This question implies very technical information --- information we are not expected to know and information not addressed at all in the prompt argument. Choice (E) does not follow from the prompt argument in any straightforward uncomplicated way. Choice (E) is incorrect.
Forty miles to the west of Tucson, a developer attempted to develop an "oasis" glade in the Sonoran Desert. He created a glade that, the developer claims, is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow. In particular, the developer planted several native fruit-bearing plants, such as prickly-pear cactus. Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
(A) the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer.
(B) most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location.
(C) a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals
(D) enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development.
(E) the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade.
Dear tuanquang269, I'm happy to respond. This is one of my questions, one that I wrote.
(A) the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. Well, we don't know what the developer's claim might be. It does seems as if, as soon as the glade was built, the animals showed up. It's hard to imagine that the developer didn't know that this was going to happen, so it seems plausible to conclude that whatever the developer was trying to do, the presence of the animals was not a problem for him. This answer is plausible.
(B) most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. Hmm. Desert animals are good at staying alive in the desert. The glade might have made things easier for them, but it seems unreasonable to conclude that desert animals can't survive in the desert. This is incorrect.
(C) a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals Hmm. Hard to say. Is the fruit the primary draw for the animals? Or is it simply the shade & moisture? Hard to say. We can't definitively conclude this. This is incorrect.
(D) enclosing the fruit–bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. Hmm. How much money would we make from the fruit? This is unclear. To cover the cost of the glade's development would be a lot of fruit! We have no idea what the dollar amounts here are, or whether they would be compatible. This is incorrect.
(E) the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade. Hmm. It's plausible that the shade anywhere is slightly cooler, but does this reduce the "ambient temperature within the glade" --- that is, even if I am standing in full sun, inside the glade, I'll be cooler than if I were in full sun outside of the glade? This is unclear. We can't draw any firm conclusions, so this is incorrect.
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And the most convoluted answer choice wins
To start with, i did not have any idea whatsoever, about what the question stem meant. It was only the tag that told me it was asking for 'Inference'. Could someone please decipher the question stem and explain how can one infer that it's referring to inference!
Here's my analysis:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. Claim of the developer: "The glad is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow" Evidence: Presence of desert animals. Clearly, the presence of desert animals does not go against the claim made by the developer. Moreover, the glad has got several native fruit-bearing plants, naturally, desert animals are gonna be there. Therefore, if at all this evidence does anything, it supports the claim, forget about going against it.
B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. This is a biiig leap of faith. We dont have any evidence that proves this. In fact, we are sure that the animals were 'alive' before the glad, so they should be just better off without it too.
C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals This one is tricky! The argument says "...a number of... , often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.". This tells us that there were at least some animals that eat fruits. The only problem I see with C is the extreme degree 'significantly fewer'. This cant be warranted. This choice would have been correct if it said something like '...would not attract at least a few desert animals'
D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. What sales!! Why would we care about money if the developer himself didnt. Completely irrelevant.
E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade It could be true but we dont know. Even if we knew that yes the temperature did reduce, was it measurable? Dunno
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And the most convoluted answer choice wins
To start with, i did not have any idea whatsoever, about what the question stem meant. It was only the tag that told me it was asking for 'Inference'. Could someone please decipher the question stem and explain how can one infer that it's referring to inference!
Here's my analysis:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. Claim of the developer: "The glad is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow" Evidence: Presence of desert animals. Clearly, the presence of desert animals does not go against the claim made by the developer. Moreover, the glad has got several native fruit-bearing plants, naturally, desert animals are gonna be there. Therefore, if at all this evidence does anything, it supports the claim, forget about going against it.
B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. This is a biiig leap of faith. We dont have any evidence that proves this. In fact, we are sure that the animals were 'alive' before the glad, so they should be just better off without it too.
C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals This one is tricky! The argument says "...a number of... , often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.". This tells us that there were at least some animals that eat fruits. The only problem I see with C is the extreme degree 'significantly fewer'. This cant be warranted. This choice would have been correct if it said something like '...would not attract at least a few desert animals'
D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. What sales!! Why would we care about money if the developer himself didnt. Completely irrelevant.
E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade It could be true but we dont know. Even if we knew that yes the temperature did reduce, was it measurable? Dunno
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arhumsid wrote:
And the most convoluted answer choice wins
To start with, i did not have any idea whatsoever, about what the question stem meant. It was only the tag that told me it was asking for 'Inference'. Could someone please decipher the question stem and explain how can one infer that it's referring to inference!
Here's my analysis:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. Claim of the developer: "The glad is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow" Evidence: Presence of desert animals. Clearly, the presence of desert animals does not go against the claim made by the developer. Moreover, the glad has got several native fruit-bearing plants, naturally, desert animals are gonna be there. Therefore, if at all this evidence does anything, it supports the claim, forget about going against it.
B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. This is a biiig leap of faith. We dont have any evidence that proves this. In fact, we are sure that the animals were 'alive' before the glad, so they should be just better off without it too.
C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals This one is tricky! The argument says "...a number of... , often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.". This tells us that there were at least some animals that eat fruits. The only problem I see with C is the extreme degree 'significantly fewer'. This cant be warranted. This choice would have been correct if it said something like '...would not attract at least a few desert animals'
D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. What sales!! Why would we care about money if the developer himself didnt. Completely irrelevant.
E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade It could be true but we dont know. Even if we knew that yes the temperature did reduce, was it measurable? Dunno
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smartguy595 wrote:
mba1382 wrote:
Forty miles to the west of Tucson, a developer attempted to develop an "oasis" glade in the Sonoran Desert. He created a glade that, the developer claims, is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow. In particular, the developer planted several native fruit-bearing plants, such as prickly-pear cactus. Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade
Really good question.
I did not understand the Question stem..Can someone explain what the question stem asking us to do!
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
Here considerations refers to the question stimulus or paragraph before the question stem. So question stem says that "stimulus best serve as part of an argument that.. ". So what follows "that" is the argument or conclusion. So this is an inference/conclusion type of question.
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tuanquang269 wrote:
Forty miles to the west of Tucson, a developer attempted to develop an "oasis" glade in the Sonoran Desert. He created a glade that, the developer claims, is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow. In particular, the developer planted several native fruit-bearing plants, such as prickly-pear cactus. Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
(A) the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer.
(B) most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location.
(C) a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals
(D) enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development.
(E) the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade.
Dear tuanquang269, I'm happy to respond. This is one of my questions, one that I wrote.
(A) the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. Well, we don't know what the developer's claim might be. It does seems as if, as soon as the glade was built, the animals showed up. It's hard to imagine that the developer didn't know that this was going to happen, so it seems plausible to conclude that whatever the developer was trying to do, the presence of the animals was not a problem for him. This answer is plausible.
(B) most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. Hmm. Desert animals are good at staying alive in the desert. The glade might have made things easier for them, but it seems unreasonable to conclude that desert animals can't survive in the desert. This is incorrect.
(C) a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals Hmm. Hard to say. Is the fruit the primary draw for the animals? Or is it simply the shade & moisture? Hard to say. We can't definitively conclude this. This is incorrect.
(D) enclosing the fruit–bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. Hmm. How much money would we make from the fruit? This is unclear. To cover the cost of the glade's development would be a lot of fruit! We have no idea what the dollar amounts here are, or whether they would be compatible. This is incorrect.
(E) the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade. Hmm. It's plausible that the shade anywhere is slightly cooler, but does this reduce the "ambient temperature within the glade" --- that is, even if I am standing in full sun, inside the glade, I'll be cooler than if I were in full sun outside of the glade? This is unclear. We can't draw any firm conclusions, so this is incorrect.
The only possible answer is (A).
Mike
This is a very unique Question Stem. Would you please explain it a little??
I picked A in 2:55, thinking what kind of conversation/argument would bring up the above mentioned lines; however, it does not look like your explanation is going in that direction.. One more thing - Right Answer is Strengthening the Developer's Claim and (passively) weakening the Writer's Claim. Is that related to the question stem in any way?
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This is a very unique Question Stem. Would you please explain it a little??
I picked A in 2:55, thinking what kind of conversation/argument would bring up the above mentioned lines; however, it does not look like your explanation is going in that direction.. One more thing - Right Answer is Strengthening the Developer's Claim and (passively) weakening the Writer's Claim. Is that related to the question stem in any way?
Yes, you're correct: this question stem is infrequently seen. The basic idea is that the prompt paragraph contains only factual evidence, observations, but makes absolutely no argument. The prompt paragraph is evidence in search of an argument to support.
Then the question stem says: "The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:" In other words, the information given in the paragraph is evidence. This evidence could be used to support what argument? What argument is best supported by this evidence?
I will say that this is a very hard question. In some sense, it might be a little closer to an LSAT Logical Reasoning question than a GMAT Critical Reasoning question. I guess in a way we could say that we are "strengthening" the developer's claim, de facto, but I don't think we are weakening the writer's claim--the writer doesn't really make any claims. These details are absolutely unrelated to the structure of the prompt question.
Yes, you're correct: this question stem is infrequently seen. The basic idea is that the prompt paragraph contains only factual evidence, observations, but makes absolutely no argument. The prompt paragraph is evidence in search of an argument to support.
Then the question stem says: "The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:" In other words, the information given in the paragraph is evidence. This evidence could be used to support what argument? What argument is best supported by this evidence?
I will say that this is a very hard question. In some sense, it might be a little closer to an LSAT Logical Reasoning question than a GMAT Critical Reasoning question. I guess in a way we could say that we are "strengthening" the developer's claim, de facto, but I don't think we are weakening the writer's claim--the writer doesn't really make any claims. These details are absolutely unrelated to the structure of the prompt question.
Does all this make sense? Mike
Hmm.. I really thought that the last line of the stimulus presents a view. Most probably because of the presence of the word would.
Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
My Bad. On a different note, I think this last sentence would also make a good SC question..
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Forty miles to the west of Tucson, a developer attempted to develop an "oasis" glade in the Sonoran Desert. He created a glade that, the developer claims, is as lush and plant-filled as the ambient 35° C temperatures allow. In particular, the developer planted several native fruit-bearing plants, such as prickly-pear cactus. Once the glade was established, a number of desert birds and mammals would regularly inhabit the glade, often eating most of the fruit that falls from the plants.
The considerations given best serve as part of an argument that:
A. the presence of the desert animals in the glade do not serve as evidence against the claim of the developer. B. most of these desert animals in the glade would have perished if the glade had not been created in that location. C. a glade populated exclusively with non-fruit bearing plants would attract significantly fewer desert animals D. enclosing the fruit –bearing plants in wire cages to prevent consumption by desert animals would allow for fruit sales to cover the cost of the glade's development. E. the shade from all the plants in the glade measurably reduces the ambient temperature within the glade
Really good question.
Dev. created an oasis. Dev. claims oasis is as lush and plant as the temperatures allow. Dev. planted fruit bearing plants that several birds and animals inhabiting the oasis feed on.
A - Dev. claims that he has successfully built an oasis, and the animal presence at the oasis does not serve as evidence that contradicts that claim. KEEP. B - We cannot infer this from the given information. OUT. C - Again, we cannot infer this from the given information. OUT. D - Fruit sales, and recovering costs isn't part of this argument. OUT. E - We have no information to support this. OUT.
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The credited answer is (A). It's unclear exactly what the developer's claim might be ---- probably something along the lines of: "it's possible to build an oasis in the Sonoran Desert." Certainly, the developer demonstrated that building an oasis there was possible, and in a way, his success is a kind of claim. It's absolutely true that the fact that animals come in and eat fruit off the ground does not challenge his claim in any way.
Would those animals have perished if the glade wasn't there? Maybe, maybe not. Desert animals, by definition, survive in the desert: by their nature, are crafty, able to take the measures necessary to survive in such a harsh environment. We have no clear ground to conclude choice (B), so it is incorrect.
The animals that come to the glade eat the fallen fruit, but is that the only reason why they come? Do they also enjoy the shade? the relative moisture? We don't know, but we can't be sure that the only reason the animals come is the fruit. Therefore, if there were only fruitless plants, would the animals stop coming? We don't know. Choice (C) is incorrect.
We don't know anything about this fruit. Is it fruit that humans would even eat? If so, would it command enough of a price to come even close to the cost of the glade? We have no idea about how much the glade costs, nor how it was funded, but apparently money from fruit was not a primary concern. Would the fruit cover the cost of the development? Doubtful, but we really have no idea. Choice (D) is incorrect.
There's definitely some shade in the glade. Does this significantly reduce the ambient temperature? Is that how air currents work in a desert? Is such a drop of ambient temperature characteristic of place of shade within the Sonoran Desert? This question implies very technical information --- information we are not expected to know and information not addressed at all in the prompt argument. Choice (E) does not follow from the prompt argument in any straightforward uncomplicated way. Choice (E) is incorrect.
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